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Raloxifene Doses For Reversal Of Existing Gyno

Mavafanculo

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since I pointed out that the SERM raloxifene has a number of studies documenting efficacy in the reversal of existing gyno, at a higher success rate than Nolva which was also effective for this application, a number of members have asked for specific dosing protocols.


Based on a review of bro-ology across the different boards and at least one study, the effective dose appears to be in the range 60mg daily to 80/100 mg daily for gyno reversal. basically the same as with nolva.


here's some reading:

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1: J Pediatr. 2004 Jul;145(1):71-6. Related Articles, Links

Comment in:

* J Pediatr. 2005 Apr;146(4):576; author reply 576-7.
* J Pediatr. 2005 Apr;146(4):576; author reply 576-7.

Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.
Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

[email protected]

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifene in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene).

RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.

CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

PMID: 15238910 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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1) ............We decided to evaluate the effect of raloxifene in a series of patients with gynaecomastia. Twelve patients aged 18-84 years were treated. Breast enlargement was unilateral in 5 cases; its duration ranged from a few weeks (7 cases) to several years (5 cases). Four patients were hypogonadal by clinical criteria, and had low serum testosterone. In two patients there was a possible drug effect (prasterone in one, ranitidine in the other). The size of breast tissue ranged between 1.5 and 6.0 cm. All patients had normal testes by palpation, and normal serum levels of estradiol, LH, FSH, prolactin, and alpha-hCG. Liver function tests and serum creatinine also were normal. The dose of raloxifene was 60 mg every other day in 4 elderly patients (age 70 years or more), and 60 mg daily in the remaining; the medication was given for 2-12 months. Hypogonadal patients received, in addition, i.m. injections of testosterone enanthate, 100 mg twice a month.

Raloxifene was well tolerated; only one young patient reported a slight decrease in sexual potency. No subject complained of hot flushes; there were no episodes of thrombophlebitis during follow-up. The analgesic effect of treatment was fast (2-4 weeks) and sustained among 9 patients with pain and tenderness. The size of the gynaecomastia was evaluated monthly by means of a caliper (all patients), and ultrasonography (7 patients). All patients responded: there was an average reduction in size of 61% (range: 34-100%); in 2 patients gynaecomastia disappeared. Six of 8 eugonadal patients (75%) had a reduction in the size of breast tissue of at least 50% (average, 73%). Among hypogonadal patients (all of them followed with ultrasonography) gynaecomastia disappeared in one, and size reduction in the remaining subjects ranged between 46 and 67% (this is particularly noteworthy, since testosterone replacement not infrequently causes or aggravates gynaecomastia due to local aromatization to oestrogens by mammary tissue). Maximal effect was observed during the first 2 months of treatment.

This open, observational study suggests that raloxifene may be a safe, well tolerated and effective therapeutic alternative for drug-induced or idiopathic gynaecomastia in men of all ages.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/327/7410/301#36880

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can you pull up any studies on toremifene? it is rather new and has very promising but little research so far, actually improves your good cholesterol

this is a good thread though as there are little to none reversal alternatives if you dont catch it early
 
As always, great shit Mav. I'm considering picking some of this up now...

Perhaps this is the cure for gyno? Doubt it...but that sure would be nice :)

Chris
 
Donnie Darko said:
Would this also reverse existing gyno for men in their 20's who got their gyno at puberty?

I'm not sure if the length of time its been in place would affect the result - there might be some studies out there with long-standing pubertal gyno testing ralox (or nolva whose results you can then extrapolate to ralox)
 
Mavafanculo said:
I'm not sure if the length of time its been in place would affect the result - there might be some studies out there with long-standing pubertal gyno testing ralox (or nolva whose results you can then extrapolate to ralox)

how bout any on toremifene?
 
Donnie Darko said:
Would this also reverse existing gyno for men in their 20's who got their gyno at puberty?

wasnt the study about ppl who had pubertal gyno? there were ppl who were 84 years old with puberty gyno in this study


so nolva reduces gyno, but so does this stuff and is better at it? does armidex remove gyno also??

i have gyno from puberty would like to get rid of it
 
lilj888 said:
wasnt the study about ppl who had pubertal gyno? there were ppl who were 84 years old with puberty gyno in this study


so nolva reduces gyno, but so does this stuff and is better at it? does armidex remove gyno also??

i have gyno from puberty would like to get rid of it

one of the studys I've seen compared nolva to arimidex for gyno reversal -- nolva was effective, arimidex was not. If you seracvh my username and raloxifene, yo should pull up a few posts with these studys
 
Mavafanculo said:
why? unless you just dont have enuf ralox, otherwise stick with the more effective compond i guess

maybe they make a very effective stack, someone should try unless its harmful
 
Mavafanculo said:
I havent looked at toremifene -- read a few posts and sounds interesting, but ralox and nolva have lots of studys backing use

i am using toremifene with unreal results
i am also a big fan of exemestane, good for your cholesterol as well as lipids
not fond of dex, my lab rat has been experimenting with many new research products including s4-sarms etc, a lot of these things get neglected with attention. most are cutting edge products
 
FRONT2BACKJACKED said:
i am using toremifene with unreal results
i am also a big fan of exemestane, good for your cholesterol as well as lipids
not fond of dex, my lab rat has been experimenting with many new research products including s4-sarms etc, a lot of these things get neglected with attention. most are cutting edge products

is torm available as a research chem yet (just yes or no, not where lol)?
 
I joined this site for info on gyno and have found tons of useful information. Based on this and other info I have found around the web, I have decided that I will start a cycle of Raloxifene for pubertal gyno I have had since I was 16 or 17. I am 25 now and have never taken any kind of steroids or other supplements that affect hormones. I also saw an endocrinologist and verified that all levels are normal and I have no underlying condition.

I will be keeping a log of my progress with pictures and will post results when finished - whether successful or not.

I was wondering if anyone with experience could look at this dosage schedule and let me know if you think I should make any changes.

I bought 200 count 60mg pills from an online pharmacy to be taken as follows:


  • Week 1
    • 120mg/day – 14 pills used
  • Weeks 2-7
    • 90 mg/day – 77 pills used
  • Weeks 8-14
    • 120mg/day – 175 pills used
  • Week 15
    • 90mg/day – 185.5 pills used
  • Week 16 (eleven days)
    • 60mg/day – 196.5 pills used
  • Final Week
    • 30mg/day – 200 pills used


It is a total of 123 days (17 weeks and 4 days ~ 4 months)

Any advice is appreciated since I am new to this. Thanks!

 
Hi there.

I have a gyno problem.Can you help me please?

About 3 years ago I wanted to start with bodybuilding. So I did my first cycle Deca 300 and sust 350. I was pretty stupid back then ..... also skipped my pct.

So then I got a girlfriend. She took up all of my gym time !!! HAHA. just joking. My studies took up to much of my time and I had to stop my gym account.After this my chest fat increased a lot and I have noticed lumps underneath my nipples.They were tender at a stage and there were also coming milk out of them.

In the beginning of this year the milk stopped and they are not so sensitive anymore. But I still have these small lumps and fat in my chest.

I went to the endocrinologist 2 weeks ago. He prescribed me arimidex and ralaxofine , I have been using it for a week but I don't see any major changes. Do you think it will work ?

Two days I have decided to get back into the gym and back into shape :)

Thanks for your time
Brendon
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Brendon,

I am shocked that your endocrinologist prescribed raloxifene and arimidex for you, being that neither of them are FDA approved for the treatment of gynecomastia.

Some studies suggest the efficacy of raloxifene in the reduction of both pubertal and steroid induced gynecomastia. However, there are now conclusive clinical trials to point to in order to give you a definitive answer. That being said, there is a definite possibility the raloxifene will work for you. I have more limited knowledge about arimidex, so I will let someone else address that.

Good luck man! I hope it works for you! Keep us posted on your progress...and if you get another girlfriend, get her to go to the gym with you!
 
美国人;16511573 said:
I will be keeping a log of my progress with pictures and will post results when finished - whether successful or not.

I just received a personal message asking me for an update and realized I hadn't updated on here for anyone interested.

I am keeping a log on google drive. I didn't end up following the original cycle I had posted. Instead I just preloaded with 120mg/day for the first two weeks, then took one 60mg tablet/day. I still have about two months of tablets left and plan to finish it out. I have noticed some slight decrease in size, but it's definitely not enough to where I am totally satisfied with the results. I have my sharing preferences set so that anyone can add comments.

I don't have enough posts to post links yet, so the link below has three spaces that will need to be removed when you copy it into your address bar. I appreciate any comments and feedback.

https:/ /docs. google. com/document/d/1OliJfhi22E61uVwXsWqPjMQxAi2qV8ECPDVKwuQzNNQ/edit?usp=sharing

Regards,

Sven
 
My two cents. I used letro first, for unilateral gyno, that had an onset after using a product that most people swore was bunk or was akin to buying expensive vitamins. No reduction. I used Arimidex, no abatement. The other nipple started getting sore. I went to toremifene. Within two days of utilizing at 2 ml of 60mg strength, no more tenderness, libido increase, reduction of hardness, although not necessarily of the size. I cannot see it after a good chest workout, and only see a puffier nipple in the morning. I am now using ralox 50mg strength and even remote tenderness is gone, although the much more diffuse lump is present about nickel size.

Keep trying. I don't want to split hairs about you can't obliterate it, you can't reverse it, its gland tissue, its fatty, its set in, etc. Mostly this is people that have never had gyno, or have "read" about gyno mostly from other posts of bro science. If one can shrink it to nothing, have a good contour of the chest, not feel sore and sensitive at the nipple, I say its gone. Also complete BS about too much masturbation, not enough test production, pesticides, etc. Some bro sciencer was trying to educate me on the difference between testicular atrophy due to test supplementation vs. gland tissue in the nipple, how pubertal gyno can disappear but AAS cannot. See an endocrinologist, keep up the good fight, use torem, or ralox, use letro, take zinc, cut off a chicken head and poke pins into a doll. Do everything, and then see if the offense is too much, and surgery is the out. People that have never dealt with it stay out of the fray.
 
I'm trying letro and ralox to reverse gyno. Would anyone pm me pharma grade sources. I have been burned by research chems and really don't want to risk them again
 
I'm trying letro and ralox to reverse gyno. Would anyone pm me pharma grade sources. I have been burned by research chems and really don't want to risk them again

Dawg, you're not risking it if you go with AG-Guys. Everyone I know swears by them.
 
美国人;16511573 said:
I joined this site for info on gyno and have found tons of useful information. Based on this and other info I have found around the web, I have decided that I will start a cycle of Raloxifene for pubertal gyno I have had since I was 16 or 17. I am 25 now and have never taken any kind of steroids or other supplements that affect hormones. I also saw an endocrinologist and verified that all levels are normal and I have no underlying condition.

I will be keeping a log of my progress with pictures and will post results when finished - whether successful or not.

I was wondering if anyone with experience could look at this dosage schedule and let me know if you think I should make any changes.

I bought 200 count 60mg pills from an online pharmacy to be taken as follows:


  • Week 1
    • 120mg/day – 14 pills used
  • Weeks 2-7
    • 90 mg/day – 77 pills used
  • Weeks 8-14
    • 120mg/day – 175 pills used
  • Week 15
    • 90mg/day – 185.5 pills used
  • Week 16 (eleven days)
    • 60mg/day – 196.5 pills used
  • Final Week
    • 30mg/day – 200 pills used


It is a total of 123 days (17 weeks and 4 days ~ 4 months)

Any advice is appreciated since I am new to this. Thanks!


How did this go?
 
How did this go?


ive been on 30mg of ralox for 4/5 months now.....

That dosing is very very aggressive....extremely. Like risking bone health.

The big time studies say 60mg for 2wks, than 30mg til you hit the 8 month mark......than stop.

i wouldnt go above 45mg for 3/4 months....

from what ive read and researched...60mg for 20 days, 45mg for another 20 days, than 30mg. (this is even pushing it, but you need the higher dose of ralox for it to work)

so its up to you how hi you dose it, but the good effects come from the hi doses.....but there are sides.

beware
 
hey guys ,i just joined the board , thought i would share my experiences with ralox.
about 1 year ago i developed a bad ugly case of LACTATING gyno, 1 month post pct , after using a non-aromatising PH, not nor-related, yet i did get lactating gyno .

i attacked it with 60mg/day of raloxifene. -at this dosing schedule progress appeared after 4-5 weeks in terms of reduction overnight basically , 30% at least.

at this point ( after 4-5 weeks ) the lactation occured , i got bloodwork and showed estradiol prolactin and total test within normal range! anyhow i jumped on dostinex after drawing the bloods , standard recommended dosage, do not actually remember the dosage. it helped stoped lactation like after 1 week.
i was already 6-7 weeks in and no more progress , i had some pharma aromasin on hand and i said to add it even tho estro was normal - 25mg EOD.

from then on the gyno started to be eaten away. i stopped ralox and asin at week 9-10 i think.
gyno has dissapeared , i do have very tiny lumps left which will leave me gyno prone forever i guess, but visually they cannot be seen and it has not returned for 1 year now i guess.

so in my opinion it`s very effective coupled with an ai.
 
Just got liquid letro and ralox from rui, planing on dosing letro at 1mg ed or 1.5eod while starting ralox at 60mgs ed. Anyone ever tried forma? Any suggestions
 
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