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there is a piece in today's NY daily news about sebastian janikowski overdosing on GHB at a club in The oakland area monday. It says that he's been taking GHB for years-goto the daily news site to read the whole piece.
raiders kicker od's on GHB monday
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diamonddiceclay
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yes-he was
diamonddiceclay
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well- according to laws in the area of where this happened, they go for treatment rather than punishment
way back when i used G all the time and have many friends who still use it all the time. i have never seen someone OD on the stuff and begin flopping around on the floor. however, when i have seen ppl OD they just pass out. now if he od on E, than i've seen ppl flopping around on the floor before taken to the hospital. but i doubt it was that in this case.
it will come to light that there was more in his system than just ghb.
what a dumb ass. nothing in moderation is bad IMO, but from the sound of things, he's unable to do anything in moderation. too bad
it will come to light that there was more in his system than just ghb.
what a dumb ass. nothing in moderation is bad IMO, but from the sound of things, he's unable to do anything in moderation. too bad
TraxZBT
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IMO he was probably drinking with it as well... GHB overdose "most" of the time leads to deep sleep and sometimes vomiting... nothing like cringing and flopping on the floor... Once the blood tests come back... they'll see that he prolly had a high blood/alcohol level... and G and alcohol don't mix at all..
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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"Most" GHB overdoses involve alcohol and/or benzodiazapenes.
It still is possible to pass out on it-I've dpne it 3 times. All three times I puked,felt like shit , and shook it off.
No more for me.
It still is possible to pass out on it-I've dpne it 3 times. All three times I puked,felt like shit , and shook it off.
No more for me.
Immortal Juicer
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poor guy
I think someone may have slipped it in his drink again. He is really the victim here. That is the second time in two years he has been the victim of an attempted date rape.
I think someone may have slipped it in his drink again. He is really the victim here. That is the second time in two years he has been the victim of an attempted date rape.
what a fool... hmn.... stay in the states, play football make millions...or get my ass deported back to poland.... hmn..what to do?
he prob w/ ghb these days is the mix, back when it was legakl it was made to specific standards. you knew what you where getting and how to dose it... these days, with bathtub bathces, you never know the potency, quality, etc...
he prob w/ ghb these days is the mix, back when it was legakl it was made to specific standards. you knew what you where getting and how to dose it... these days, with bathtub bathces, you never know the potency, quality, etc...
brianharper94
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It's a damn shame, he'll probably get the normal one-year suspension from the league, along with 4-5 games from the raiders. He's the only kicker that I look forward to seeing running down the field and knocking the shit out of someone. A 270 pound kicker is pretty impressive if you ask me. Hell, 90% of us have probably gone out and had some trouble with alcohol or something else and passed out, and probably, 90% of that 90% went out and did it again. Let's don't be too hard on the guy, he's the same way i would be if I had millions. Money doesn't change people, it just makes you more of who you are.
bh
bh
i just had a bad experience with 1,4 which is similar to ghb. first off, i havnt done any drugs besides alcohol and steroids in a few years, i hadnt drunk any alcohol in about two weeks and i have been off cycle for about 2 months. with that out of the way, this past saturday afternoon, i took my usual 2ml dose of 1,4 after about an hour i really didnt feel anything, so i took one more ml. within 30 mins of taking that last dose, i was throwing my guts up. i couldnt hold anything down until about 8pm. it was truely a shitty feeling. all that from the same dose that has gotten me messed up for the past 6 months.
Nickerbocker
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GHB is really dangerous, ive had bad expierences with it and it has rewined two of my good friends lives. And yes too much ghb will cause someone to flop around on the floor, ive seen it. my friend took 4 caps at once. bad stuff
Fukkenshredded
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I probably see more ignorant regurgitation about GHB than about any steroid. The media and government has so successfully mounted a witch hunt against this food (that's right, its a food)...that it is almost impossible to undo. The FDA's star expert witness in the case for legilating it as a Schedule 1 drug was forced to admit under oath that she had actually NEVER SEEN A SINGLE PATIENT that had overdosed on GHB alone. Not one. Anywhere. Ever. Always there is either another drug involved or an inaccuracy in the initial report. Can it kill you? Sure. So can Tylenol. GHB is one of the few substances that could appropriately be described as a wonderdrug, even though it occurs naturally in most of the meats that we eat, as well as in every living cell in our bodies. Additionally, the reports like the one cited here are not fully accurate. The 'siezures' caused by too much GHB are not siezures at all. It is a phenomenon refered to as clonis and is (in simple terms) a rhythmic twitching of an extremely relaxed muscle. A siezure is a result of a brain chemistry imbalance, not a muscular phenomenon. This substance has been shown time and time again to have fantastic medical applications, ranging from treatment of alcoholism to protecting a cell from radiation damage. It metabolizes into carbon dioxide and water and has absolutely no toxicity whatsoever. The lethal aspect of an extreme overdose is not a result of toxicity at all, but rather the result of either brachycardia or oxygen deprivation of the brain as a result thereof. The so called 'coma' that is induced has been shown to be a state of unarousability that, while registering in that regard as low as a four on the Glasgow Coma Scale, has some very significant differences than a trauma induced coma. The FDA has a vested interest in banning ANY substance that can effectively induce sleep or cause euphoria without any toxic side effects. Is it coincidence that tryptophan is also banned? Sleeping pills are the NUMBER ONE selling drug in the world. Over 61 million prescriptions for sleep aids were written last year. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots here. You wanna tell me that this drug is dangerous. I will respond by saying that ANY drug is dangerous in the hands of a moron. GHB is a FANTASTIC drug/food. The New England Journal of Medicine has entry after entry about the benefits of this drug as well as repeated references to its total lack of toxicity. The real pisser here is the rush to the GHB alternatives such as 1,4 butandiol and the like, which are substances that eventually metabolize into GHB, but not always without toxicity. Also, the fact that most home brews of GHB are inferior to laboratory made GHB. Is it easy to make? Youbetcha. Do I advocate it? That would be illegal. What I do advocate is the education of the public so that we can make informed decisions about what to do to our bodies. The information is there, folks. Look it up.
daddyrabbit
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GHB
This is the best summary of the facts I have seen. On the boards, you see constant discussion about how dangerous GHB is.
In fact, it is a wonderdrug. If you can control your own behavior, you can take it in reasonable amounts indefinitely with no harmful, toxic effect to your body. This is the only substance that can make that claim. Certainly alcohol is a slow destroyer of the body and liver as are prescription drugs.
The fact that this is a Schedule I substance is characteristic of a philosophy that presumes to legislate what is good or bad for people. And pot is more dangerous than alcohol..........right!
This is the best summary of the facts I have seen. On the boards, you see constant discussion about how dangerous GHB is.
In fact, it is a wonderdrug. If you can control your own behavior, you can take it in reasonable amounts indefinitely with no harmful, toxic effect to your body. This is the only substance that can make that claim. Certainly alcohol is a slow destroyer of the body and liver as are prescription drugs.
The fact that this is a Schedule I substance is characteristic of a philosophy that presumes to legislate what is good or bad for people. And pot is more dangerous than alcohol..........right!
Lift or Die
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Fukkenshredded said:
Very good post bro.
FreakMonster
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Puc said:
Yes GHB is MORE addictive than Heroin once you are hooked on it.
If you are a habitual user of GHB, I'm talking every single day you will be HOOKED. Once your hooked your body needs GHB to function and you can't just stop cold turkey because it WILL KILL YOU!!!!! I've seen it several times first hand. Withdrawals are a fucking nightmare. Withdrawal syptoms are hallucinations, shakes, insomnia, and rashes.
Puc
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FreakMonster said:
BUT in order to be addicted, you must take it CONSTANTLY for extended periods of time.You can ween yourself off, even then.
Heroin can be addicting after ONE USE
I know to many people who have taken for YEARS, CONSTANTLY, and needed nothing more than a weeks worth of xanax to quit.
So, I reiterate,
Heroin is more addicting than GHB, BY FAR
FreakMonster
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Puc said:
You are correct that it must be taken constantly for extended periods of time to be become addicted but NOT ALL PEOPLE can ween off that easily.
True heroin can be addicting after one use but the withdrawal stage of GHB is much worse leading to death while with heroin the withdrawal stage is not as bad thus making GHB more addicting.
pgerardone
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There is no good reason to use ghb. It is a fucking stupid drug and everyone saying that it is so great if used at the correct dose are morons. A lot of drugs are wonderful if the person can use it at the correct dose and not abuse it. Cocaine is a great drug until you start selling your TV and VCR to buy it. Same with heroin, if dosed correctly someone can remain on opiates for the rest of their lives without any health problems. The problem is after a while you will not be able to dose correctly and your body will need the drug. It is no longer for fun and relaxation but it is now just to function normally. Then one day you take a little too much and end up in a coma. In a perfect world we would all be able to use everything in moderation. Too bad this is not a perfect world.
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pgerardone said:
I guess I'm a moron. I use GHB as an alcohol alternative. I use it once a week tops, and even go weeks at a time without using it. The fact is that GHB is ALOT less addictive than virtually most drugs out there. The drugs you are comparing GHB to(cocaine, heroin)are ALOT more addictive. When is the last time you've heard of someone robbing a liquor store to get their fix of GHB? If you're a weak willed, pansy ass motherfucker, stay away from ALL drugs. Stay home and masturbate instead...
FreakMonster
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Puc said:
GHB is more addictive for the simple fact that you become more physically dependent on it than Heroin.
Thus harder to kick.
For Heroin:
"The development of physical dependence depends as much on regularity of use as on the amount actually used. In practice, the vast majority of addicts of not use heroin consistently on an ongoing basis. Less than half of the addicts who have been on the streets for more than a year will have used daily for that period (Johnson, 1978). They may voluntarily withdraw to reduce their tolerance, or the scene may be temporarily too much of a hassle, or they may have an important engagement such as a trial, at which an appearance of addiction would be undesirable. Or they may simply need a rest. During such times, physical dependence may virtually disappear, yet they will still think of themselves and describe themselves as addicts. In other cases, the users may never use enough drug to develop significant physical dependence. Senay (1986) estimates that between 25 per cent and 40 per cent of street addicts are not physically dependent. Nevertheless, such 'chippers' may wish to see themselves as addicts for reasons of their own, and will so describe themselves.
For GHB:
The effects of constant use of GHB may have some very negative physical and mental side effects. There are reports of very serious withdrawal symptoms including some reported deaths documented by Jo Ellen Dyer of the California Poison Control Center <http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n222/a02.html?397> and a collection of negative GHB-related info and forums can be found at Trinka Porrata's Project GHB <http://www.ashesonthesea.com/ghb/>.
A good new document on addiction and treatment of GHB overuse was published in March 2001 by the Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse <http://www.tcada.state.tx.us> detailing withdrawal symptoms and treatment guidelines. Definitely worth reading: GHB Withdrawal Syndrome <ghb_addiction2.pdf>. It has a good set of journal references at the bottom of the article.
Habituation
Many people enjoy the effects of GHB enough that they find themselves using it more frequently than they intended to or are comfortable with. Using GHB every weekend can turn into a few times a week or every night and can, for some people, turn into several times a day. People who find themselves using GHB daily or multiple times a day for periods of weeks or months often report that they have some difficulty ceasing use. Some people have also report that after using GHB daily for many months, strange psycho-physical effects, such as hearing bells constantly, were experienced.
Addiction
Physical withdawal symptoms appear in some people who stop using GHB after more than a few consecutive days of repeated use. Symptoms can include difficulty sleeping, anxiety, edginess, chest pain and tightness, muscle and bone aches, sensitivity to external stimuli (sound, light, touch), dysphoria, and mental dullness. The symptoms seem to last between a few days and 2 to 3 weeks as the body comes back into balance. We have received reports from a handful of individuals who have had difficulty ceasing use. For at least some percentage of regular users, the combination of mental habituation and physical withdrawal symptoms can lead to heavy use with great difficulty stopping.
GHB withdrawal occurs in most people who use it for more than one day in a row and the hangover from GHB use could possible be called a mild form of withdrawal, since the hangover can be treated with additional doses of GHB / 14b.
So how can you say Heroin is more addictive than GHB?
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