Quote from NCAA Drug Testing Procedures

[nautica]

As far as your levels coming back down it depends on the half-life of the drug as well as each individuals body. But, I am working on a basic timeline other than just detection times of metabolites.

As far as things you can do to help you pass a test. Well, there are some basic precautions, which can be done but nothing that is guaranteed unless you get you levels below the 6:1 ratio.

email me if you want and I will give you some basics, which you may already know.

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[3Vandoo]

If metabolites show positive results on a subtance the test will be rank positive
even if you dont pass the 6/1 ratio!!!!!

I KNOW believe me

we tried to pass a guy that was tested positive for deca and we tried to tell them he wasnt playing in the league yet at time of the abuse, didnt work

 

[nautica]

According to NCAA regulations a result will only be positive if it raises the athletes t/e ratio above the 6:1 ratio.

Nautica

 

[monkeyballs]

Okay,
First off, sorry it took me so long to get to this post. Belive it or not every once and a while I have to go to work. I'm usually at pratice in the evening.
As for the testing protocol of the NCAA with regards to finding traces of metabolites....etc... here is my take on the gist of this post.

First: I think that it is essential to completly separate IOC and NCAA tests and testing standards when trying to produce athletes who can come clean at test time.
Second: The NCAA tests, while of debatable regularity, are derived from IOC tests. The IOC develops the tests, and gradually the NCAA adopts them. Example- The recently aquired NCAA urine test for EPO is just the older version of the IOC test. I'll try and find my documentation that show this.
Third: If this is the case that all NCAA test are only older/slightly cheaper versions of the IOC tests, than the tests are certainly aimed at creating athletes who are clean year-round rather than clean only at comp time. IOC tests look for traces of anabolic compounds...any trace of a hormone that is either synthetic (not naturally produced) or a natural hormone that can is found to be in greater levels than what could occur naturally is grounds for a positive test. While the T/E ratio is still 6:1, that standard is the absolute minimum that can be used as legal justification to DQ an athlete. The absolute legally justifiable minimum is what is the standard for all IOC tests, and therefore I would go so far to say that the NCAA is most likely the same, if not only marginally different. As for the T/E ratio...I know that it is the same for both the NCAA and IOC. The various labs that are cleared to perform IOC tests at comps, also perform NCAA tests at big events (I.E. national champs). I have first hand knowledge on this. It is unreasonable to assume that the testing standards are any different when the same GasSpec process is used. Long story short- I think that the active half-life of a given AS is virtually irrevalent to the detection time of AS in NCAA tests, and definitly in IOC tests.
Fourth: NCAA tests are definitly cheaper than IOC tests. Because of this, a whole bunch of assumptions can be made about dummy tests/less strict tests etc...bottom line, we'll never be able to prove any of this, so in the meantime let's just assume that they're legit. NCAA penalties are pretty stiff, and the humilation of a positive test can usually ruin an athlete.

That's all from me. Hope I didn't put you to sleep.

 

[nautica]

Yep, I am a sleep now. j/k

Monkeyballs while I agree with you to a certain extent. And I definately agree that an athlete should err on the side of caution when it comes to positive test.

The actual NCAA regualtions state that in order for an athlete to produce a positive result in an anabolic drug test. They must be over the 6:1 ratio. That is the limit they have set. Not a limit for metabolites. Now, if an athlete is over the 6:1 ratio then the positive test can be attributed to certain metabolites, unless of course testosterone was used.

Now, I am sure that if a school tested and they found an athlete to have metabolites in his system (no matter what the t/e ratio was) they would tell him to clean up.

Nautica

 

[monkeyballs]

Yes, I see your point.
My only addition is that I belive that the ratio of 6:1 and the half-life aren't directly related. I think that any trace of metabolites will produce the ratio for a positive test. After the ratio dips below 6:1, then there is no longer any legal certainty to prove doping -I.E. an average Joe could concievably have a T/E ratio of 5.99999/1, and never have used any AS. Unlikely, but legally possible. The 6:1 water mark is most likely attributed to a certain ammount of metabolites that are sure proof of doping. Also, the tests most likely don't even test for the specifics of the T/E ratio, just a simple yes/no with regards to the 6:1 standard.

 

[monkeyballs]

I guess this is kinda like a chicken or the egg debate.

 

[3Vandoo]

True

IOC and NCAA are different

My bad my case was CIAU, which follows IOC

my bad!!!!!!!

 

[nautica]

I guess this is kinda like a chicken or the egg debate.

Yep, or maybe the debate about the egg or the chicken.

 

[thalongrun]

Just wana let you brothers know that:
you are wrong. wrong wrong. I used to think the same exact thing! The NCAA does test specifically for over 100 steroid substances and it's not just your test 6:1 ratio that they look at they look at both. and if you have that substance in your blood then you will fail. Don't belive me??? go check in any college library you should look for steroids and NCAA standords. It's usually in a white mannilla folder and you wont belive it but it list ever single steroid that is know.

take it from someone who knows absolutly 100 percent for sure!