Quote from NCAA Drug Testing Procedures

[nautica]

This is a quote taken directly from the NCAA drug testing pamphlet.

"Definitions of positive depends on the following:

2) for testosterone-if the administration of testosterone or the use of any other manipulation has the result of increasing the ratio of the total concentration of testosterone to that of epitestosterone in the urine greater than 6:1, unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition."

quote/unquote

Okay, we all know that the test for metabolites of anabolics do not come into play unless you are over the 6:1 ratio. But we also know that metabolites are tested at the same time (due the fact that the cost is the same - not for all but for most)

But according to this. Not only does it not matter if anavar or fina or any other substance shows up in your urine - so long as you have gotten you t/e ratio back in line - BUT ALSO - it is not even illegal - at least in a since that it would result in a positive.

Help me guys (Man child, monkey balls, fonz, ect....) With this being the case. Should we not completely ignore the detection times for the metabolites and concentrate solely on the half-life of the drugs or time it takes to get t/e's back to normal.

Fina being the prime example. Some say it is in the system for 5 weeks some say it is in the system for 5 months (which I dont buy) but since the half-life is only a few days - would it not be reasonable to assume that you t/e ratios will be in line extremely quick.

And if so, we need to concentrate on drugs which will get this back in line (and epitestosterone is usually tested for so that is probably out)

Nautica

 

[nautica]

This one has got to be bumped. Or maybe a sticky for a day.

Thanks
Nautica

 

[nautica]

All my drug testing people must be at practice this morning. Or maybe taking a random drug test.

Nautica

 

[Bar Room Hero]

Yes, I suppose if we get a real test, the only thing that matters initially are the ratios. However, you've taught me everything i know Naut. Just didn't want you to feel lonely on this thread.

 

[nautica]

Nobody should feel lonely.



But my thoughts are (and I know everyone has always said that the t/e ratios have to be high for them to even test for metabolites) that now the companies only run 1 test - it is a basic test that will identify t/e ratios as well as some basic anabolics. With this being the case if stanazol showed up in your system, even with a normal t/e ratio then you would not test positive.

Yes there are some more expensive test which can be ran afterwards to test for every anabolic on the earth, but one should not have to worry about that unless the were under IOC regualtions.

anyway, I am just thinking outloud.

Nautica

 

[NYStrip]

>>to worry about that unless the were under IOC regualtions.

Yes, IOC or anybody else but NCAA. How does this apply to other performance enhancing drugs which have nothing to do with T/E ratios, like EPO? Point is, if you can test positive for EPO because of other indicators besides just a high red count, and you get slammed for it, it seems arbitrary to me that you wouldn't get caught if an ester showed up (foreign substance), just because your T/E ratio was in range.

 

[The Man Child]

LOL, yeah Nautica, must have been at practice when this was first posted.

I'm still convinced that Fina is a good drug for tested athletes. You never hear of an athlete failing a drug test for Tren.

I also think its interesting that you can have metabolites in your system for NCAA so long as you're under 6:1. Atleast that's how I interpreted that statement.

It's the same ol' story...Suspension, Prop, Fina, Var, and when I get old HGH

MC

 

[nautica]

>>to worry about that unless the were under IOC regualtions.

Yes, IOC or anybody else but NCAA. How does this apply to other performance enhancing drugs which have nothing to do with T/E ratios, like EPO? Point is, if you can test positive for EPO because of other indicators besides just a high red count, and you get slammed for it, it seems arbitrary to me that you wouldn't get caught if an ester showed up (foreign substance), just because your T/E ratio was in range.

I should have clarified myself. This only pertains to anabolics. Other drugs would have to clear the system.

But for anabolics, according to NCAA, if you ratio is in line, it does not matter if the metabolites are in your system.

nautica

 

[nautica]

Man child. the prices of HGH are coming down. It would be a good time to start looking. And you will be pleased with the results. Just do not expect it to be like taking anabolics. It is a slow process.

Nautica

 

[Bulk32]

nautica-
this is a very good point u r making, and if u tested possitive but were under the t/e ratio and they still failed u, then yes u could probably get the decision turned in court. but how can we know for sure that this is how they do it and just over look anything that they see as long as your t/e ratio is at the legal limit. if this was true then y do so many athletes get busted with deca, the half life is gone they always get busted possitive with the metabolites not the t/e ratio. what we really need is someone on the inside, someone that actually works in one of those testing labs to conferm and tell us what exactley we need to do and what we can do to get away with it. i mean these analists that actually do the tests on the urin samples that report it possitive or negative have to have some kinda life outside of testing urin in a lab. doesn't anyone on this board have a family member or know a friend or even a freinds, friend that works in one of those labs that could give us sure proof answers too our questions?just a thought