i've always used too much BA with my prop. the old guideline i used was 5ml of BA per batch. i would lump up something fierce....dannomight said:I'd roll with the first one. Mainly cause summer is right around the corner and I have always responded well to masteron and winny together. But I am a prop pussy. The last comp I did I ran mast/prop/winny and var and my strength didn't drop till the last 10 days even after I stopped the tren 4 weeks out(I was already on it for 8 weeks prior). Either choice would do you right. While you at it whip my skinny ass up a batch dr.HT.