Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Why do most people suggest test only on their first cycle? why wouldnt something like primo or anavar be ok, i know you wouldnt put on that much mass without test, but i was just researchin the fact a little. Could u use primo only as a first cycle if you werent looking to explode?
question about why only test on first cycle
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todoveritas
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BC all AAS are analogs or synthetic variations on testosterone, and bc testosterone is in the male body naturally, it is generally thought best to introduce supranormal levels of testosterone to maximize AR stimulation in the most natural way possible before introducing the more synthetic compounds.
primo & var is an excellent 1st cycle and I personally believe people should do something like that.
i mostly think it is a good idea as far as sides. most cant or dont want to shell out that kind of money for a cycle.
one of the reasons behind a test only (preferably a single ester) is to monitor sides and see how you react at lower doses. say u run a first cycle of test-e & dbol and get horrible sides (acne gyno water retention hair loss the whole 9 yards). which compound caused it? the test or the dbol or a specific combination of both? was it the fact that u ran the test at 500mg instead of the usual 250mg? see where i am headed with all this?
another reason is gains. u want to use as little as possible to make solid muscle gains. as you cycle more and more u will find your gains are not as good as the first time and you slowly find yourself using more and more compounds and dosages. so start small.
i mostly think it is a good idea as far as sides. most cant or dont want to shell out that kind of money for a cycle.
one of the reasons behind a test only (preferably a single ester) is to monitor sides and see how you react at lower doses. say u run a first cycle of test-e & dbol and get horrible sides (acne gyno water retention hair loss the whole 9 yards). which compound caused it? the test or the dbol or a specific combination of both? was it the fact that u ran the test at 500mg instead of the usual 250mg? see where i am headed with all this?
another reason is gains. u want to use as little as possible to make solid muscle gains. as you cycle more and more u will find your gains are not as good as the first time and you slowly find yourself using more and more compounds and dosages. so start small.
todoveritas
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Good points, 8. I think we need to point out that the compounds you selected have higher anabolic qualities (as opposed to androgenergic) and as you said, the sides will be less.
I totally agree with your "less is more" philosophy. I can't tell you the number of guys I have seen burn out from starting with 1gm/wk dosages or super-advanced cycles. My gosh, just what do they plan to use on their 20th cycle? In this game, the tortoise usually wins the race.
I totally agree with your "less is more" philosophy. I can't tell you the number of guys I have seen burn out from starting with 1gm/wk dosages or super-advanced cycles. My gosh, just what do they plan to use on their 20th cycle? In this game, the tortoise usually wins the race.
slamminshaun
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This thread demonstrates why I'm glad I found this site....you don't even want to know what some people I know were telling me to do for a cycle. I think my 200mg of Test-E per week (with H.C.G. and Arimidex) is plenty for now...hell, I'm stacking Phyto-Test, Demarcine, and Unleashed in there with it....I think that's plenty for an "intro" cycle.
Your first cycle doesnt HAVE to be test only, but for the reasons 8and20 mentioned it is usually the best idea.
In my case, I was too scared to pin at first so I ran a cycle of anavar and winnie that got me pretty nice gains which I was able to keep. After that one though I was like "Show me the needles!"
In my case, I was too scared to pin at first so I ran a cycle of anavar and winnie that got me pretty nice gains which I was able to keep. After that one though I was like "Show me the needles!"
primo good 1st cycle
primo & var good 2nd cycle
people r going blow me alot shit about this but yes u can run primo without test & make good gains. add the test when u get a few cycles under your belt. that is if this is the route u choose.
u could always go with the single ester test or a single ester test & primo.
400mg ew for 8-10 weeks.
primo & var good 2nd cycle
people r going blow me alot shit about this but yes u can run primo without test & make good gains. add the test when u get a few cycles under your belt. that is if this is the route u choose.
u could always go with the single ester test or a single ester test & primo.
400mg ew for 8-10 weeks.
jumpmaster82
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of course test is the best option for a first, but imo primo is the next best thing
jagerbombme
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var wouldn't be a good first cycle. i don't think your gonna get much from it. primo could be if you run it like said above at least 400mg ew.
IMO and i stress "IMO"
you could run any of these for a first cycle but i'd only run one compound
deca
npp
test
tbol
dbol
winny
tren, why the fuck not
IMO and i stress "IMO"
you could run any of these for a first cycle but i'd only run one compound
deca
npp
test
tbol
dbol
winny
tren, why the fuck not
jagerbombme said:Anavar - oxandrolone - wouldn't be a good first cycle. i don't think your gonna get much from it. Primobolan - methenolone - could be if you run it like said above at least 400mg ew.
IMO and i stress "IMO"
you could run any of these for a first cycle but i'd only run one compound
Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate -
test
Turanabol
Dianabol - methandrostenolone -
Winstrol - stanozolol
trenbolone, why the fuck not
Man if trenbolone was the first gear I ever did I'd never do gear again! LOL These night sweats and insomnia are killin me
jagerbombme
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mus1cjunk1e said:Man if trenbolone was the first gear I ever did I'd never do gear again! LOL These night sweats and insomnia are killin me
lol, i know alotta dudes ran it and they say it's all tolerable, but from waht i read on here it's like everyones taking something different
jagerbombme said:
Well it seems like as of a couple days ago the night sweats are all but gone now but I still wake up every friggin hour at night. I've got some mega sleep aid capsules from customcapsule.com on the way so hopefully that'll take care of it. Other than that, I really haven't had any other bad sides. BP went up a little but not into a bad range.
My $.02 is to advise you to do a TEST E only cycle for your first time, because you WILL get that kick. Unlike Primo. Part of the joy in doing gear is when that KICK, kicks in. Plus the overall feeling Testosterone gives you is a better "high" if you will than Primo.
Primo is an excellent steroid. Arnold's personal favorite. But for a first timer, I think you will get better results, quicker than Primo. Ultimately, you must decide for yourself. In either case you will want to run for 12 weeks.
Good luck, bro.
Primo is an excellent steroid. Arnold's personal favorite. But for a first timer, I think you will get better results, quicker than Primo. Ultimately, you must decide for yourself. In either case you will want to run for 12 weeks.
Good luck, bro.
stressman13
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8and20 said:
Starting with one compound to see how you react is a good idea. I disagree about a primo/anavar cycle as a good first cycle or cycle at all. Sure itll work, but both of those compounds are supressive (maybe not so much as others but still). Meaning youll be without or with suppressed test for a good amount of time. Adding in a maintence dose of test to any cycle is always a good idea. It seems many try to push primo only cycles on this forum. Primo is a shitty buy for the results you get. It has a place but it should not be the base of a cycle. If what your looking for is a good beach bod, then fine but if you want some decent mass a primo/anavar isnt gonna hack it.
halfcenturian said:
I'm into my 4th week of my first cycle 500mg sust/week, when you refer to it 'kicking in' is that something i should be expecting pretty soon? getting rather impatient lol since i've not had any gains yet, so what should i expect just to feel a huge difference in the gym someday soon, kinda 'overnight'?
You should be noticing a difference this week. Maybe next at most, everone is different. But by now you should have at least increased in strength a little and almost certainly put on some water weight.
02gixxersix
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I didn't read all the posts so if someone already said this then I apologize. I always recommend test only for a first cycle because test should be a staple in almost every cycle. The idea behind trying one compound at a time is that when you all of a sudden get some bad sides, you know what caused it. Again since test is going to be part of most cycles, it's better to find out your tolerance and how you feel with test alone, and at what dose you need anti-e's. I also think it has the best results to sides ratio with keepable gains of anything I've tried.
mus1cjunk1e said:
I have put on some water weight but no strength increase what so ever - should I be worrying? the sust looks like legit karachi, source is reliable too so im confused why things haven't started happening yet. my mate had started to explode by now when he did it....
silverskyline
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mish12345 said:I have put on some water weight but no strength increase what so ever - should I be worrying? the Sustanon looks like legit karachi, source is reliable too so im confused why things haven't started happening yet. my mate had started to explode by now when he did it....
THAT SUCKS
gary smedley
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just my observation, I,m 9 wk into my first ever cycle (been lifting for 19 yrs) only doin single vial of sus250 each week was 100 kg's at start now I'm @ 111 k'gs (244 Ib) been a steady increase from about week 2
was 100 kg's at start now I'm @ 111 k'gs (244 Ib) been a steady increase from about week 2
silverskyline
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mish12345 said:
You said your on week 3? If so You may start seeing them in week 4.
My real strength gains didnt hit the roof till about then. Are you feeind your musslce tissue right after the gym and first thing in the morning. If your not eatting right the test wont just work alone for you.
Is what you got pharm grade or underground?
how long is your cycle, I would wait it out but if you don't see much more after another week or two there is some issue. But you have the stuff and it's not causing you any gast or issues no reason to stop if you ask me.
injecting twice per week.
well no ive finished week 3, now half way through week 4.
yeah my diet is perfect, currently a student too so a lot of free time so all i'm really doing is eating!
it pharm grade, karachi Sustanon. looks legit and source is very reliable.
cycle is 10 weeks long. does the fact i've gained over 5kg point to the fact its probably working just taking time?
thanks for help guys
well no ive finished week 3, now half way through week 4.
yeah my diet is perfect, currently a student too so a lot of free time so all i'm really doing is eating!
it pharm grade, karachi Sustanon. looks legit and source is very reliable.
cycle is 10 weeks long. does the fact i've gained over 5kg point to the fact its probably working just taking time?
thanks for help guys
silverskyline
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mish12345 said:
I would say that the fact that you have gained that looks good but with out strength gains it's prolly all water retention. Other thing is if you had a crap diet before say eatting like once or twice a day with meals that had no real substance and then went right to a well balanced 6 times a day crazy spot on diet it might be that you just dramatically changed your diet.
If you trust your source and it is what it is then it should be working well for you by now. Half way through week 4 I would lay it on the line that if you are hitting the gym hard as you can 5 to 7 times a week with good diet and don't get discouraged at this point by week 5 you'll start packing it on...I dont see any other way.
good luck!
Let me know how it works out for ya
silverskyline
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also I don't recall reading in here since it's the next day but are you taking in at least 200mg's a week? 200-500mg's a week
If your dosing say Test 200 and only shooting .5CC a pin thats only 200mg's a week.
Check out some reserch on the net on the half life of your test and if it's oil or water based and how and when to obtain the best results. I know on my cycle right now my peak is 24-48 hours so I'm dosing every 3rd day and it's working great for me!
If your dosing say Test 200 and only shooting .5CC a pin thats only 200mg's a week.
Check out some reserch on the net on the half life of your test and if it's oil or water based and how and when to obtain the best results. I know on my cycle right now my peak is 24-48 hours so I'm dosing every 3rd day and it's working great for me!
my diet has been very similar for past years mate, never eat shit and always follow a rigid plan - its what I'm used to.
the sust i use is 250mg per ml, and I have 2ml a week, so 500mg per week.
ok, will see how the next week pans out not much else i can do.. will let you know how it goes!
the sust i use is 250mg per ml, and I have 2ml a week, so 500mg per week.
ok, will see how the next week pans out not much else i can do.. will let you know how it goes!
silverskyline
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Sounds like your doing everything fine from what I can tell.
Thats crazy...good luck
let me know, hopefully you'll start blowing up next week.
You might want to invest in a blood test if you hadnt gotten one befor eyou started...maybe be you have naturally low test levels as it is.
Thats crazy...good luck
let me know, hopefully you'll start blowing up next week.
You might want to invest in a blood test if you hadnt gotten one befor eyou started...maybe be you have naturally low test levels as it is.
mish12345 said:
Ya if you have gained 5kg then it is working. Give it another week to really kick in. I'm in my 4th week right now of a test/tren/mast cycle and I'm just starting to feel the real strength and size gains. In the first 3 weeks all I got was water weight (about 7lbs). So I think you are good. Just keep truckin. It'll work.
8and20 said:
Ya I was thinking that too, especially by week 4. I just can't see how it could be totally fake. But what do I know anyway, I'm usually the one asking the questions around here lol.
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