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jcowden

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Hello all:
I am 20 years old, been training naturally for 3 years. I am 6'2" and weigh 140 pounds. FOr the life of me i couldnt add bulk. I dont know why. I have about 5% BF. I ordered 300 dianabol, 15 deca, 5 sustanon and 25 clomid. What would be the most effictive way to use this gear? thanks alot for your time
 
hmmm could it be in your diet?? you say you cant bulk..but from my experience when a 20 yr old says that...we find out that they are trying to bulk off of 2-3 meals a day consisting of under 2000 cals for the entire day...so what are YOU eating?
 
yah dude you need to eat way more most likely! Try just eating like 5 or 6 or 7 times a day that should help a bit. are you maybe on some kind of medication that affects your appetite ? Like some kind of adderall or ritalin something like that? I know a kid who went from 120 to 180 in 3 months just because he quit taking huge amounts of adderall the doctors had him on and started smoking pot instead...... he started eating everything in sight and put on massive amounts of weight FAST without getting fat....of course he was 16 so I dont think that you can expect the same results....all im saying is that you should try and eat way more and maybe even smoke some bud that could help your appetite before you resort to steroids!
 
jcowden said:
Hello all:
I am 20 years old, been training naturally for 3 years. I am 6'2" and weigh 140 pounds. FOr the life of me i couldnt add bulk. I dont know why. I have about 5% BF. I ordered 300 dianabol, 15 deca, 5 sustanon and 25 clomid. What would be the most effictive way to use this gear? thanks alot for your time
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How is your protein intake? Are you getting 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight? What types of workouts are you doing? I would suggest eating more clean calories, and look up the 5X5 workout on here, it great for building mass IF IF IF your protein intake is good and you are getting enough calories.

I don't think you are ready for gear yet because of your age (too young) and because you have not grown anywhere close to your natural limit yet. Your natural test is raging right now. Lift hard and heavy and get that diet in check.
 
Here it is:
I eat no joke, like 10 times a day. I drink shakes that contain anywhere from 1500 to 2200 calories and 64 grams of protien and carbs,both, per serving. I am NOT on medications. I just cant naturally gain weight. Call me a dumb ass, but im tired of being made fun of. I mean what the fuck, im 20 and still people razz me on being the skinniest person they've seen. Im fucking sick of it. So, its either juice up or kill the next person that makes fun of me........i pick the first. Ive had my thyroid checked, its ok. I cant explain it. I spend an hour and a half 3 days a week in the gym ripping my muscles till i can hardly drive home. Come on now, i should have seen SOMETHING, but no, i am just cut. No gains. Fuck that. Its worthless. So please, help me out. I see that none of you are fond of a 20 year old juicing, but im going to. Call me stupid, but its the only way to make me feel better about myself, and after all, isnt this form and the puropse of working out all about making yourself feel good. I think it is. So please, help me out so i dont harm myself. Thanks....................................
 
please let me know also what the 5x5 workout is. Im trying to find a better workout that will help me add gains. Obviously my current workout aint doing shit
 
Unfortunately, there is a whole group of young people right now who don't even want to train if they cannot do a cycle.
These youth are greatly endangering themselves
 
jcowden said:
please let me know also what the 5x5 workout is. Im trying to find a better workout that will help me add gains. Obviously my current workout aint doing shit
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go over to the training forum. you will find a lot of info on it there. There is clearly something wrong with either yer diet, training, or sleeping. I would suggest keeping a diary for the next 2 wks of everything that you put in your mouth. You may be surprised at how little you are actually eating.

Are you eating natural Peanut Butter, Oatmeal, Tuna, Steak, Chicken, sweet potato, brown rice??

Do you consume a post workout shake? If so what is in it?

What exactly is your training like?

If you hit the gas right now you will inflate then deflate (this is a best case scenario). You need to figger out what is wrong with your routing, fix it, make some gains, then consider AAS.
 
thats the thing. I eat tuna 3 times a week, no joke. The white albacore kind. I eat peanut butter atleast 3 times a week. I drink a preworkout shake. It consist of 2200 calories, 45 grams of protien and 45 grams of carbs. My post workout shake consists of 1890 calories, 74 grams of protien and 45 grams of carbs. I sleep great. Just bought a feather bed and a memory foam mattress. My workout EVERY OTHER DAY, conssists of me attacking every major muscle group. I do them all in a day. I lift the maximum amount of weight i can when doing reps. My reps consist of 3 groups of 10 per muscles trained. I usually start with curls, then move to bench press, then move to squats, then move to calf lifting, then move to sholder shrugs, then move to shoulder press then finish with dips. I can see you guys are trying to talk me out of using gear, but i believe i need them medically, where as most people in this forum use it for cosmetic purposes. Thats why i dont understand why no one will help me with the correct usages of my gear. i just dont get it. I guess i will have to figure out a correct stack on my own.......even though im asking for help...............
 
jcowden said:
I guess i will have to figure out a correct stack on my own.......even though im asking for help...............
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good luck...I was trying to help but am now done
 
I am not convinced about the diet aspect of this. Eating 10x a day, 2000 calorie shakes, and no gain?!? Where is it going? Do you take a shit every hour?

Make sure your diet is proper - becuase if you are human and you are eating and not sick, you have to gain weight if you are taking in more than you are burning.

Go to www.fitday.com and be honest about your intake.

And just becuase you think you are virtious and have done all that you can naturally, some people are just not good candidates for gear. If food doesn't put mass on you, why would you thing gear would?

Good luck,


Bluesman
 
jcowden said:
My workout EVERY OTHER DAY, conssists of me attacking every major muscle group. I do them all in a day. I lift the maximum amount of weight i can when doing reps. My reps consist of 3 groups of 10 per muscles trained. I usually start with curls, then move to bench press, then move to squats, then move to calf lifting, then move to sholder shrugs, then move to shoulder press then finish with dips.
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this is probable the crapiest workout i have ever seen. this is why you aren't getting bigger. your workout sucks. you dont workout every bodypart every other day unless you are over 65 years old and just go to the gym to drink cofee, kill time, and take up spae on the equipment. if you are going to do a cycle at least change you workout routine. if you dont you wont gain alot and probable waste a good cycle. and the part about 15 deca and 5 sust doesnt tell us shit either. is it amps, vials. how many mg/ml. we need more info on your gear. if you tell us how many days a week you want to workout we can give you a good routine.
 
jcowden said:
please let me know also what the 5x5 workout is. Im trying to find a better workout that will help me add gains. Obviously my current workout aint doing shit
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The 5X5 can be found in the workout forum here on elite. Just do a search for the Madcow 5X5.

Regarding gear, I don't think you are in the right mindset to do gear and are too young so I won't help you in that area. ANything else regarding diet or workout or whatever I will do my best.

I will try and find a link for the 5X5 and post it in this forum for you.
 
jcowden said:
Hello all:
I am 20 years old, been training naturally for 3 years. I am 6'2" and weigh 140 pounds. FOr the life of me i couldnt add bulk. I dont know why. I have about 5% BF. I ordered 300 dianabol, 15 deca, 5 sustanon and 25 clomid. What would be the most effictive way to use this gear? thanks alot for your time
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Here is a link to the 5X5 program.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375215&highlight=5X5
 
I had a friend years ago built about like you describe.He could not gain and ate like a frieght train.I got him to get some of the weight gainer stuff and he started getting some size without even getting on the stuff.He was using this.
GNC

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jcowden said:
Here it is:
I eat no joke, like 10 times a day. I drink shakes that contain anywhere from 1500 to 2200 calories and 64 grams of protien and carbs,both, per serving. I am NOT on medications. I just cant naturally gain weight. Call me a dumb ass, but im tired of being made fun of. I mean what the fuck, im 20 and still people razz me on being the skinniest person they've seen. Im fucking sick of it. So, its either juice up or kill the next person that makes fun of me........i pick the first. Ive had my thyroid checked, its ok. I cant explain it. I spend an hour and a half 3 days a week in the gym ripping my muscles till i can hardly drive home. Come on now, i should have seen SOMETHING, but no, i am just cut. No gains. Fuck that. Its worthless. So please, help me out. I see that none of you are fond of a 20 year old juicing, but im going to. Call me stupid, but its the only way to make me feel better about myself, and after all, isnt this form and the puropse of working out all about making yourself feel good. I think it is. So please, help me out so i dont harm myself. Thanks....................................
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Help you out so you don't harm yourself? Bro, you are 20 years old, you don't need any gear; PERIOD. Your state ofmind does not lend me any confidance that you are ready for gear at any age. This is going to make me sound like a jerk, but man you need to drop the idea of gear and look into diet, and mainly your workout, that thing you are doing sucks and I bet those 2 issues are 80% of why you are not gaining any mass. You say to help you out because you don't want to harm yourself. Doing gear at your age is harming yourself and I'm not going to help you do that to yourself needlessly.

The main issue here on why I won't and I would encourage nobody else to help you is your statement above about this being the only way to make you feel better about yourself. So somebody calls you skinny...call them fat, or 4 eyes, or whatever, SCREW THEM. Why do you care so much about what others think? Gear is not the answer to happiness, and there appear to be some self confidance issues in your life that need to be resolved because man I tell you; muscles don't solve life problems and gear won't either. You need to look at the face in the mirror and forget the world, be happy with who you are NOW and get some self confidance. THINGS (and this includes gear) are not going to make you feel better about who you are, that has to be done 100 natural......just like your workout routine should be.

This isn't the post you wanted I know that, but thats how I see it and I call em like I see em hoping I can help beleive it or not. Good luck with your workouts and the 5X5.
 
jcowden said:
It consist of 2200 calories, 45 grams of protien and 45 grams of carbs. My post workout shake consists of 1890 calories, 74 grams of protien and 45 grams of carbs.
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These numbers don't seam right. I've always read that carbs and protein are around 5 calories per gram and fat is 9 calories per gram.
So your first shake is 45x5=225cals + 45x5=225cals + fat g(9) = 2200cals
Do the math and this would mean your eating 194 grams of fat along with your shake to make everything add up, just don't seem right.

Also, you say your going to take the gear anyway. What happens when your nipples start to itch real bad and then get sore, what will you do? You have nothing to combat this and with a couple of the items you plan on taking you have a high chance of it happening.
 
steroids aren't a miracle cure. just look at the pic link in wayneboard's signature. the one that says "muscle without supliments" see steroids aren't a miracle.

but in all seriousness, with your workout and only being 140lbs, i dont think the gear will help you that much. it may seem like we are being asses but we are actually trying to help you. if you want to do the gear thats your choice, i would say not to though. i just started using gear and im 22yrs old. alot of people would say to wait longer but i am 6'4" 253lbs . i am on my first now. i started at 243.4lbs. i know i do have good genetics for size but being 6'2" you should weigh more than 140lbs before starting your first cycle. at least get a new workout plan and do that for a while. at least to get your muscle used to taking on that kinda workload. if you just start using gear and start a better workout plan then your muscles won't be able to handle it and you could hurt yourself.
 
pentatonic said:
Also, you say your going to take the gear anyway. What happens when your nipples start to itch real bad and then get sore, what will you do? You have nothing to combat this and with a couple of the items you plan on taking you have a high chance of it happening.
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exactly. we could give you basic dosing info but we don't know anything about the gear you have. and you dont have any anti e's. what about ptc, do you have everything you need for that. seems like you are kinda seting yourself up for alot of problems.
 
Well, im trying to ask you guys what i need to make this cycle worth while. Im a novice, i know. But shit, im not going to be small anymore. No one here is helping me. I hear you all, dont do it. but let me ask you guys, why the hell did you start using gear? TO GET BIG! Im sorry my post are short and lack detail. Im working and dont have a computer at home.
My dianabols are 300 @ 5 mg
Sustanon is 250mg/1ml
Deca is 300 mg/1ml
Clomid
What should i use if i get itchy nipples. I dont care about water weight, as i need the damn weight.
What is the best workout routine to put on bulk, mainly with the upper body.
and as with all the people saying im to young to start, i realize some started iun their 30, but WTF im 20, and i have people that started wen they were 21,22,ect telling me not to do it because im too young....what the hell is that......2 years is not much difference.... Again, im just looking for the right input, because, as stubborn as i am, im going to gear up. Ive already paid and thats that. Now please someone help me with a good workout routine and some things i need to combat the side effects. PLEASE.
 
i don't really give a fuck how old you are. my problem is with your training. you body isn't used to the kinda workouts you need to build alot of muscle. you need to change your workout and stay with that for a while before using the gear. your body needs to get used to that kinda workload. and you made some poor choices in gear. 5 amps of sust isn't going to do dick. you are pretty small so you won't need alot but sust really needs to be injected more often and it will have just started full working at wk 3 or 4, so 5 wks worth isnt going to do shit. you could do a deca only cycle but some people get deca dick from running it with no test. some do some don't. i wouldnt use deca without test though. but, if you dont have a steady girlfriend it might not matter to you. if you don't get your workout going and have a good base before you start you cycle you wont gain much of anything though. and anything you will gain will be lost after the cycle.
 
JC...in reply to your PM to me asking why I started gear, I'll tell you why. I am in my early 30's and thats also when gear entered the picture. I have a job that is VERY physically demanding and I need all the help I can get to do my job. While I am very capable of doing my job, my age was starting to show with the stress of the job so I tried gear to stay at the top of my game. I got to the top of my game natural FYI. Keep in mind that is after years of school sports and weight training/excercise. Cosmetics are a nice bonus but I am proud to say that 95% of the time I don't care what others think about me. WHY? Because what is freting over what is said about me going to change? NOTHING. I don't enter contests because I don't have the desire or the time or the genetics to do so. I am short and stocky, always have been always will be, but I am built like a pitbull and can be just as mean. :qt:

I won't help you with gear because not only are guys that are much to young using gear as a "cure all" but as others have said, there is something very wrong with your workout and diet and you think gear will solve all your problems. What happens when your cycle is over and you lose half of it as water? If your diet is not in check and you are not lifting properly you will hurt yourself or overtrain. Thats not going to happen to you if you get on gear because you are going to really tighten things down right? And I was only going to do one cycle. LOL Not gonna happen man. I would rather see you get some changes that will help you long before you ever get any gear in your system. Besides as Radar says food is the most anabolic subtance on the planet.

You mentioned that you went thru high school being called names...who didn't?!?! I was called every name under the sun countless times, I won some fights and I lost others, thats part of growing up man and until you get some self confidance nothing you do, gear or anything else will change that and make life any better.

I will do whatever I can to help you with workouts or diet and can reccomend some guys on here that are very wise in these areas as well. The link I sent to you on the 5X5 is pretty straight forward and lays it all out but I will do what I can to help. What is it that you read that is not clear?

I like to try different workouts and change things up, thats my personal preference and this 5X5 tore me up man, I highly reccomend that and some dietery changes and I would almost bet you will see great results in a few months.

Regarding your protein increase, the goal is 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight at least. You may want to have that at 1.5-2 grams. There is some debate on when to take it and how mcuh protein should be shakes versus solid food. I split it down the middle and get half from food and half from shakes. When bulking I take one shake mid morning and one before bed to fuel my bodies repair and prevent muscle being used as fuel overnight. I bet some other guys will chime in on what they do but that is my opinion. It's a giant experiment and you will find what works for you and when.
 
asianlover said:
i don't really give a fuck how old you are. my problem is with your training. you body isn't used to the kinda workouts you need to build alot of muscle. you need to change your workout and stay with that for a while before using the gear. your body needs to get used to that kinda workload. and you made some poor choices in gear. 5 amps of sust isn't going to do dick. you are pretty small so you won't need alot but sust really needs to be injected more often and it will have just started full working at wk 3 or 4, so 5 wks worth isnt going to do shit. you could do a deca only cycle but some people get deca dick from running it with no test. some do some don't. i wouldnt use deca without test though. but, if you dont have a steady girlfriend it might not matter to you. if you don't get your workout going and have a good base before you start you cycle you wont gain much of anything though. and anything you will gain will be lost after the cycle.
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Good post Asian.
 
for the workout you can split it how you want to. you could use a 4 day split.

chest, biceps, forarms
legs
shoulders and traps
back and triceps.

you could do that with a day of rest in the middle. or if you want to workout more often do only 1 body part a day. its really up to you. you should only train each bodypart once a week. if you aren't sore for a few days after then you aren't hitting it hard enough. for each body part start with the compound excercises for that particular body part. like squats for legs, military press for shoulders, flat bench for chest, and so on. how many sets are you doing per body part right now?
 
there's this really skinny dude in my gym roughly your size and he works out like a mother fucker but he still looks like paris hilton.

i told him he should keep training like he does and start eating 4 jars of peanut butter and a big mac every day. lol

some knucklehead juicefreak in my gym just convinced him to eat a half dozen dbols a day and the only thing getting bigger on him now is his head. literally and figuratively. lol
 
wayneboard1 said:
Good post Asian.
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thanks man. let me try to help you understant something jc. like i said before i was 243lbs with about 12% bf they day i started my first cycle. i had been working out since i was about 16. but it was not a steady build up from the beginning. when i first started i would train kinda like you and didn't grow at all. then i broke up my workouts, started doing a little better but really didn't progress much because i was over training. its all trial and error bro. you have to find what diet/workout will work best far you. ive been skinny and ive been fat. i really didn't start making good gains until the last 2 yrs or so. in the four years before that i tried prohormones and all kinda other crap. so why did i gain more natually after i stoped using that crap? its because that it took me over 4 yrs to figure out my training and diet. diet and training are 95% of what makes you gain. if you cant gain weight now you won't be able to gain with the gear. id say get your diet and training going, hang around the boards, and try to learn. after a couple of months check back and let us know how you are progressing. we aren't trying to stop you from using gear, we are trying to help you use it properly.
 
dullboy said:
there's this really skinny dude in my gym roughly your size and he works out like a mother fucker but he still looks like paris hilton.

i told him he should keep training like he does and start eating 4 jars of peanut butter and a big mac every day. lol

some knucklehead juicefreak in my gym just convinced him to eat a half dozen dbols a day and the only thing getting bigger on him now is his head. literally and figuratively. lol
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lol. damn even if those were just 10mgs that 60mgs a day. thas a LOT for someone that small. at least his puffy face will match his puffy niples.
 
JC, all these guys are giving you some solid advice. I am 22 and have been working out for almost 2.5 years now and in the last 6 months, I have gained about 6lbs of muscle just from changing up my workout and eating differently. I've never done a cycle, and hope to start my first cycle in about a year. Right now I weigh 207 at about 11%BF and I started out at 165 when I started lifting. Gear will not do you shit unless you know exactly what you are doing with your body first.
 
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