Pubertal Gyno Treatment During or After Cycle

[Pumped340]

I seem to have slight pubertal gyno when my nipples are soft and although I don't think it's gotten any worse I am increasingly self conscious about it. I have done one designer steroid cycle back in december and am currently 1 week into my first legit cycle of 500mg/week Test E and 20mg/day superdrol. I don't think its any worse and there's no sensitivity but still its something that I'm aware of.

I have seen a few studies showing 40-60mg nolvadex for 4-12 weeks used to treat pubertal gyno but with me being 21 I'm not sure if its too late. I also have letrozole on hand. I have read a few threads on here about it and see mixed things.

anyway I was wondering 2 things

1. I'm using 0.5mg arimidex per day on cycle. Could I use try the nolva treatment while on cycle and if so should I stop the arimidex or lower it?

2. If not, can I just do it as my PCT? My planned PCT was nolva at 40/40/20/10, could I instead just do 60/60/60/60/40/40/40/40/20/10 or something similar as a very long "pct"? Would that cause any recovery or toxicity issues?


Also any opinions on the idea in general are appreciated

Thanks!

 

[ALIN]

I like the AI's better during the cycle and I would save the NOLVA for PCT.

 

[Pumped340]

I like the AI's better during the cycle and I would save the NOLVA for PCT.

So what do you think of an extended PCT to try to reduce the puberal gyno? As mentioned instead of 40/40/20/10 doing something like 60/60/60/60/40/40/40/40/20/10? Would this cause any issues with HPTA recovery and would this still count as "time off" or should I wait a full 12+ weeks until the time i'm completely off the nolva before running another cycle?

Thanks

 

[rustilldown]

I think you may feel like poo poo running nolva like that, look up ck gyno reversal thread, very informative it's on this site.

 

[Pumped340]

I think you may feel like poo poo running nolva like that, look up ck gyno reversal thread, very informative it's on this site.

Why exactly would it make me feel bad? and is there a specific thread you're referring to? I've come across a lot of gyno reversal threads on this site.

 

[rustilldown]

Why exactly would it make me feel bad? and is there a specific thread you're referring to? I've come across a lot of gyno reversal threads on this site.

Search for the one I mentioned above. And nolva is an ancient compound used for breast cancer and makes most feel like shit.. Much better options out there

 

[Pumped340]

Search for the one I mentioned above. And nolva is an ancient compound used for breast cancer and makes most feel like shit.. Much better options out there

What would you suggest, raloxifene? I felt fine during my last PCT of nolva 40/40/20/10 for what it's worth.

What about your guys' thoughts on the effectiveness of the nolva protocol?

 

[rustilldown]

What would you suggest, raloxifene? I felt fine during my last PCT of nolva 40/40/20/10 for what it's worth.

What about your guys' thoughts on the effectiveness of the nolva protocol?

Look up unleashed post cycle stack and maybe a low dose clomid. And for the gyno attack I still suggest you look up "ck gyno reversal" it will help you greatly. Nolva has been proven to be hard on the body and I think it lowers insulin sensitivity , hard in the liver.. Can be hard on the skin. Formastanzol is very effective also !

 

[Pumped340]

Look up unleashed post cycle stack and maybe a low dose clomid. And for the gyno attack I still suggest you look up "ck gyno reversal" it will help you greatly. Nolva has been proven to be hard on the body and I think it lowers insulin sensitivity , hard in the liver.. Can be hard on the skin. Formastanzol is very effective also !

If this is the thread you're referring to"My Anti-gyno run reslts *with pics*" (can't post the link) then I'm reading through it now. Its interesting because almost everyone suggests nolva or raloxifene (and this is whats shown to work in studies while an AI like arimidex proved to not be effective) but here he's using the AI letro.

Maybe I could use the letro protocol during cycle then the novla protocol post cycle if it didn't work?

 

[rustilldown]

Well he suggest letro with chemical prami. This is your best bed for removing gyno as it tackles the problematic areas from both angles. Letro will eliminate your estrogen and prami will eliminate your prolactin, which even if your prolactin levels are normal it doesn't hurt to lower them further while Tryin to eliminate gyno, plus it will help with sex drive while on letro. Is the thread starter ck?? It's his thread that you should read, I think Nolva is most effective of gyno happens on cycle, if your trying to remove existing gyno then you should follow the letro prami attack.

 

[Pumped340]

Well he suggest letro with chemical prami. This is your best bed for removing gyno as it tackles the problematic areas from both angles. Letro will eliminate your estrogen and prami will eliminate your prolactin, which even if your prolactin levels are normal it doesn't hurt to lower them further while Tryin to eliminate gyno, plus it will help with sex drive while on letro. Is the thread starter ck?? It's his thread that you should read, I think Nolva is most effective of gyno happens on cycle, if your trying to remove existing gyno then you should follow the letro prami attack.

OK I have caber and prami on hand. Letro I have 40 1.5mg pills so I guess I'd have to buy a lot more since that would only last about 2 weeks. I have heard people have issues with prami but never heard of any issues with caber so would that be ok? Also could this be done as part of my cycle, for example for weeks 2-10 of my 10 week Test E cycle?

Oh and yes it is C.K's thread, his improvements were really impressive but then again I don't know how much it actually helped his pubertal gyno.

I imagine since just 0.5mg of arimidex ED hurt my joints 5mg of letro per day could really cause some issues :/

 

[rustilldown]

Well work your way up to 5 mgs a day then keep it there until gyno is all gone, then slowly taper back down and caber in place of prami would be fine, as for joints I mean yeah they may get stiff , there are things that can help but temporarily stiff joints to remove gyno permanently is Definitely a trade off i would be willing to try. I don't see why you couldn't do it on cycle, only thing is you may not get the most out of the cycle . Plus having higher test means more aromatizing and more estrogen to knock down.

 

[Pumped340]

Well work your way up to 5 mgs a day then keep it there until gyno is all gone, then slowly taper back down and caber in place of prami would be fine, as for joints I mean yeah they may get stiff , there are things that can help but temporarily stiff joints to remove gyno permanently is Definitely a trade off i would be willing to try. I don't see why you couldn't do it on cycle, only thing is you may not get the most out of the cycle . Plus having higher test means more aromatizing and more estrogen to knock down.

Yea with that much test in my system I don't know if even that much letro would be enough to bring E low enough. I have heard that in men all the AI's really only reduce E by about 50%, even letro and that studies showing 97% or so were just for women, I can't say I know for sure though. I don't think c.k. did his one he posted on cycle, but I'm not sure about the one he did for his pubertal gyno. I guess I could just wait until after my PCT, I think that might even help retain gains should it should keep Test higher right? That would be a long time on AI's though (basically 12 weeks on arimidex, 4 weeks off, ~8 weeks on letro)...not sure if thats an issue.

 

[rustilldown]

Shit I'm tired man I'll post more tomorrow, I'm pretty sure ck did his post cycle as he had rebounded estrogen which caused his gyno, not gyno from on cycle per say.. Maybe try some Ostarine with the letro, I have been running Ostarine in my pct with great feeling joints.. Keeping all Gains I made so far