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Big Skrizz

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gonna start running 500 mg sust/ 20mg dbol for my first cycle. i plan on taking 50mg a day proviron during my cycle. when exactly should i start running the prov? for pct, nolva/clomid for approx. 10 days. what's a good amount to take of the two combined? currently 5'11'' 210 lbs, not much body fat at all. been lifting natural for about 5 years and again this is my first cycle.
 
Your PCT is too short. SHould run at least 3 weeks. Also should not start your PCT for 7 to 10 days after last inject. What is you cycle legnth? How long are you planning on running the dbol?
 
i plan on running 500mg sust for 10 weeks and the d-bol for 4 weeks on the front end. just looking for a good anti e while i'm on cycle. it might not be necessary though, correct?
 
Big Skrizz said:
i plan on running 500mg sust for 10 weeks and the d-bol for 4 weeks on the front end. just looking for a good anti e while i'm on cycle. it might not be necessary though, correct?
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Well it depends on what youre trying to avoid..... It might not be needed for gyno protection, but youre gonna get water retention on that cycle..... If you don't wanna get bloated with water, I'd advise you to get some Adex..... If youre afraid of gyno only, Adex will help that , but Nolva is better to have on hand.....

rizz
 
good deal. i'm not sure what to expect really being this is my first cycle. I've been lifting naturally for nearly 6 years now. i'm 5'11'' 210. just don't want to turn into a friggin balloon too quick. right now I'm cut and just don't want to get sloppy looking. trying to find a way to put on some mass but at the same time be able to have some definition.
 
Big Skrizz said:
i plan on running 500mg sust for 10 weeks and the d-bol for 4 weeks on the front end. just looking for a good anti e while i'm on cycle. it might not be necessary though, correct?
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My first cycle was 500mg a week of sus and I got gyno. Make sure you have some Nolva too, not just proviron, just in case...
 
Big Skrizz said:
good deal. i'm not sure what to expect really being this is my first cycle. I've been lifting naturally for nearly 6 years now. i'm 5'11'' 210. just don't want to turn into a friggin balloon too quick. right now I'm cut and just don't want to get sloppy looking. trying to find a way to put on some mass but at the same time be able to have some definition.
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In that case, buy yourself some liquid Arimidex, and take .5cc per day to avoid the water retention.... If not, the retention will take away your definition quick..... Your dosages aren't too high, but will still cause some retention, but .5cc of Adex will stop that.....

rizz
 
Makavelli said:
You can run Proviron during PCT. It will actually help spermatogenesis.
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How does that help contribute to the maintenance of strength and muscle mass after your cycle? Spermatogenesis is really just about the health of your sperm correct?
 
If you keep your dose at or below 50mg/day, there shouldn't be any suppression of the HPTA. Proviron will maintain libido as well as strength due to its actions on the CNS.
 
I always thought that proviron was suppressive so its good to know that at 50mgs and under its ok. Say instead of just for the PCT period, could you use proviron untill your next cycle comes? Say if you do time on=time off and you used it for the time off. Just wondering guys lemme know! thanks!
 
Big Skrizz said:
gonna start running 500 mg sust/ 20mg dbol for my first cycle. i plan on taking 50mg a day proviron during my cycle. when exactly should i start running the prov? for pct, nolva/clomid for approx. 10 days. what's a good amount to take of the two combined? currently 5'11'' 210 lbs, not much body fat at all. been lifting natural for about 5 years and again this is my first cycle.
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10days pct is nothing. as Ulter said use clomid for 2weeks and Nolva for 3-4weeks. it takes one month for sust to leave your body. start proviron 10-14days before you end up your cycle. no need to mix it with nolva and clomid pct. simply run it by the end of your cycle.
 
djsf said:
Mr.X, why do you prefer not running proviron during PCT? Do you believe it shuts down the HPTA? Or another reason? Just curious, because I like prov during PCT and find it boosts my libido. Also it's recommended in elitefitness's "gainskeeper formula" PCT regimen.
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Proviron is suppressive and is a steroid (a weak one of course). Plus, I ran it PCT a few times and crashed big time after.
 
Mr.X said:
Proviron is suppressive and is a steroid (a weak one of course). Plus, I ran it PCT a few times and crashed big time after.
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Ok, I'm going to do an experiment and post the results here.

It just so happens I just finished a brief (3 week) "bridge" cycle of anavar at 50mg/day, and found that it shut me down. I stopped the anavar and am now doing a small PCT, consisting of clomid + nolva + proviron. I am going to stop the proviron, starting tomorrow and see if my recovery quickens.

I'll post my results here in a few days.
 
djsf said:
Ok, I'm going to do an experiment and post the results here.

It just so happens I just finished a brief (3 week) "bridge" cycle of anavar at 50mg/day, and found that it shut me down. I stopped the anavar and am now doing a small PCT, consisting of clomid + nolva + proviron. I am going to stop the proviron, starting tomorrow and see if my recovery quickens.

I'll post my results here in a few days.
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Djsf, it's hard to judge recovery w/o blood tests, but give it a shot - it's worth a try.
 
Ulter said:
Proviron is not suppressive.
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It definitely did a number on me during my PCT tries with it - same things happened to SYL, he had to jump on HCG. Hence, I have not recommended it to clients.

Btw...it's not hepatotoxic, but it does have some anabolic steroid sides I immediately noticed.
 
Mr.X said:
It definitely did a number on me during my PCT tries with it - same things happened to SYL, he had to jump on HCG. Hence, I have not recommended it to clients.

Btw...it's not hepatotoxic, but it does have some anabolic steroid sides I immediately noticed.
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Could suppression you experienced with Proviron possibly be dosage related?
 
There are studies showing it is not suppressive, so there's no reason to continue arguing. The guys that crashed was most likely due to other factors, not the Proviron.
 
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