Protein Misconceptions

[2Thick]

I will be writing an article on this matter but here are a few quick points:

-The maximum amount of protein any human being should use is 1 gram per pound. Countless scientific studies have proven that anything above that will not yield any benefit (and in fact will harm your kidneys).

-Plant protein is superior to animal protein. In specific, red meat should be your last choice for protein. AT least half of your protein should come from plants. The rest should come mainly from poultry and fish. A little red meat should make up the rest.

-No more than 25% of protein should come from protein shakes. Although the your body absorbs it at a relatively similar rate to food protein, the nutritional density of food will be far more beneficial in gaining quality lean body mass.

-Take care of your liver. It is the workhorse of your body and is responsible for leading healthy growth.

 

[sk*]

-Plant protein is superior to animal protein. In specific, red meat should be your last choice for protein. AT least half of your protein should come from plants. The rest should come mainly from poultry and fish. A little red meat should make up the rest.

What plants are you talking about?

Thx.

-sk

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Protein Misconceptions

What plants are you talking about?

Thx.

-sk

Legumes (beans) should be an optimal choice. Dark leafy vegetables like broccoli are also a great source of protein.

Anything whole wheat and/or whole germ is a great source.

If you can eat it, tofu is packed full of protein. And some tofu burgers and tofu hot dogs taste just like meat.

 

[variation]

2Thick, yep.. I'd love to read the article.. but I do agree with almost all your points.

I think most bodybuilders use WAY too much protein, personally I try to get around 1/2g of protein per day.. thought I don't really keep track.. but it's never less then 1/2g of protein per day and never more then 1g per pound.

only reason I can see to consume possibly more then 1g per pound is if you do roids and insulin together :X

and perhaps people with incredible fast metabolisms should consume more....

 

[sk*]

Re: Re: Re: Protein Misconceptions

Legumes (beans) should be an optimal choice. Dark leafy vegetables like broccoli are also a great source of protein.

Anything whole wheat and/or whole germ is a great source.

If you can eat it, tofu is packed full of protein. And some tofu burgers and tofu hot dogs taste just like meat.

Thing is, you would need so much beans or brocolli to equal the protein amounts in a steak. So even if what you say is true, a lot of times it isn't plausable.

Out of curiousity, why do you consider red meat an inferior protein to beans?

-sk

 

[Little Rage]

broccoli?

1cup of raw broccoli has approx. 2-2.5g of protein...

 

[Paulos]

Also Broccoli does not have all of the essential AAs....do you mean it would be better to eat complimentary meals or just legumes by themselves?

 

[2Thick]

broccoli?

1cup of raw broccoli has approx. 2-2.5g of protein...

One medium stalk has approx 6 grams. Plus it has fiber, minerals, vitamins and phytochemicals.

Most red meat with the same proein density (3-6g) has little if any of what broccoli has in terms of other nutrients.

Protein may be the main building block of muscle, but protein is nothing without minerals and vitamins that provide the support and fuel that allows protein sythesis to occur.

 

[variation]

I try to combine different sources of protein.. from grains, peas, beans and nuts...

like I may have some pea's with rice and lentils and a soy burger or soy milk...

anyway I think combining different sources gives a better range of amino acids then appose to eating strictly a large amount of one source of protein.

 

[2Thick]

Also Broccoli does not have all of the essential AAs....do you mean it would be better to eat complimentary meals or just legumes by themselves?

I am trying to point out that animal protein is not the best source of protein. It is only the easiest to get (and usually the most dense in protein).

For example, having 2 ounces of steak with 2 cups of broccoli instead of 3 ounces of steak and some useless white rice will get you further in the long run (in terms of weight training and overall long-term health)

 

[2Thick]

anyway I think combining different sources gives a better range of amino acids then appose to eating strictly a large amount of one source of protein.

You are absolutely correct. But most people (myself included) have gone through stages when animal protein was the main source of protein.

 

[Bulldog_10]

i disagree about plant protein being superior to animal protein. How can you say this when red meat contains all the amino acids? Doesn't get much better...although obviously there is more saturated fat in red meat, which could make plants a better choice. But as far as the protein goes, I'd say red meat all the way.

 

[2Thick]

i disagree about plant protein being superior to animal protein. How can you say this when red meat contains all the amino acids? Doesn't get much better...although obviously there is more saturated fat in red meat, which could make plants a better choice. But as far as the protein goes, I'd say red meat all the way.

Plant protein contain the same essential AAs. You should have to consume more of them (including some seafood to make up any deficiencies).

You just gave the reason why it is superior. Living longer and healtheir is the point of our lifestyle. Therefore cutting out saturated fats and LDL cholesterol should be our main concern.

 

[2Thick]

ok...i didnt' see those other posts before i wrote that. So you're not saying it's better in terms of protein, just in terms of overall food choice?

Yes.

 

[Bulldog_10]

ok...i didnt' see those other posts before i wrote that. So you're not saying it's better in terms of protein, just in terms of overall food choice?

 

[variation]

i disagree about plant protein being superior to animal protein. How can you say this when red meat contains all the amino acids? Doesn't get much better...although obviously there is more saturated fat in red meat, which could make plants a better choice. But as far as the protein goes, I'd say red meat all the way.

it's all about combining different plant sources..

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it's not hard to eat enough plant sources to get enough protein... a can of kidney beans is like 26g of protein.

soy milk only has slightly less protein in an 8oz serving of milk (like 1g less) and most plant sources contain mostly if not only unsaturated fats.. when meats tend to contain a higher ratio of saturated.

 

[jubei]

I notice a big difference if I eat 200grams of protien vs. 400grams of protien/day and I'm around 200lbs.

 

[gilly6993]

well....I'm not interested in living long so I'll stick with red meat

 

[variation]

when you eat more protein then you need you upregulate the amount of enzymes in your body to oxidize muscle as fuel.. so then you will need more protein to balance that.

 

[2Thick]

I notice a big difference if I eat 200grams of protien vs. 400grams of protien/day and I'm around 200lbs.

The only difference should be the amount of gas you excrete. Also, your liver and kidneys are working overtime filtering the extra amino acids that your body did not use in protein synthesis.

The difference you feel is psychosomatic, because unless you are a freak of nature, you do not use more than 200g/day. This is especially true because your body does not store excess protein.

 

[2Thick]

well....I'm not interested in living long so I'll stick with red meat

It is not about the length of your life, but rather the quality.

 

[Bulldog_10]

when you eat more protein then you need you upregulate the amount of enzymes in your body to oxidize muscle as fuel.. so then you will need more protein to balance that.

huh

 

[Bulldog_10]

The only difference should be the amount of gas you excrete. Also, your liver and kidneys are working overtime filtering the extra amino acids that your body did not use in protein synthesis.

The difference you feel is psychosomatic, because unless you are a freak of nature, you do not use more than 200g/day. This is especially true because your body does not store excess protein.

The difference is the extra calories he's getting, not specifically the protein. It's just another 800 calories he's taking in...it would be more efficient and cheaper if you just took those 800 calories from carbs.

 

[2Thick]

The difference is the extra calories he's getting, not specifically the protein. It's just another 800 calories he's taking in...it would be more efficient and cheaper if you just took those 800 calories from carbs.

You are correct sir. I overlooked that.

In addition, I asumed that he got enough calories (for his base rate) so the extra protein would be useless since the body prefers carbos as energy at almost all times.

 

[bigAragorn]

2thick i was wondering if you are eating this way now and how do you find it ( 1 gram of protein per pound of mass ) ???

 

[2Thick]

2thick i was wondering if you are eating this way now and how do you find it ( 1 gram of protein per pound of mass ) ???

I have always eaten about 1g/pound but I recently changed my source of protein from mostly red meat and poultry to a combination of plant protein/fish/poultry (without only minimal red meat).

Are you asking where I found this information about the max amount of viable protein? I can dig up articles about this if you like.

 

[Lumberg]

please do.

 

[jubei]

2thick, how about when on a cycle?

 

[satchboogie]

i'd rather not eat anything than eat TOFU BURGERS!!!!!!

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Protein Misconceptions

Out of curiousity, why do you consider red meat an inferior protein to beans?

-sk

Meat is full of unhealthy components that are risk factors for deleterious health later on. Plus they lack the nutritional density of legumes.

 

[2Thick]

2thick, how about when on a cycle?

During a cycle, we know that we can synthesize much more protein. That is one instance where we can ingest closer to the 2.4g/KILOGRAM maximum range. But we should still get half of our protein from non-animal sources.

 

[2Thick]

i'd rather not eat anything than eat TOFU BURGERS!!!!!!

They are not really that bad.

 

[kronk]

* kronk downs a can and a half of beans, with basmati rice and 2 cups broccoli*

 

[JKerry]

what about the bioavalability of plants? i was to the understanding that plants were not a very efficient source of protein. hence it takes much more to get in enough usefull amino acids necessary for muscle growth. all amino acids are not created equal.

(used to be a nutrition major)

jkerry

 

[2Thick]

* kronk downs a can and a half of beans, with basmati rice and 2 cups broccoli*

Then lil k, runs away from your cloud of putrid farts.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

I will be writing an article on this matter but here are a few quick points:

-The maximum amount of protein any human being should use is 1 gram per pound. Countless scientific studies have proven that anything above that will not yield any benefit (and in fact will harm your kidneys).

-Plant protein is superior to animal protein. In specific, red meat should be your last choice for protein. AT least half of your protein should come from plants. The rest should come mainly from poultry and fish. A little red meat should make up the rest.

-No more than 25% of protein should come from protein shakes. Although the your body absorbs it at a relatively similar rate to food protein, the nutritional density of food will be far more beneficial in gaining quality lean body mass.

-Take care of your liver. It is the workhorse of your body and is responsible for leading healthy growth.

so youre basically telling us to discard what we've been taught and take your word without showing any literature on this. who do you think you are, nelson montana?

im not too much into red meat anyway. all of my protein comes from tuna, poultry, egg whites, milk and legumes. if i have red meat, its a cheat day or just 4oz of lean ground beef. but i do go over the 1g/day. i'll try out what youre recommending here and see how it works for me

 

[2Thick]

Re: Re: Protein Misconceptions

so youre basically telling us to discard what we've been taught and take your word without showing any literature on this. who do you think you are, nelson montana?

haha...

im not too much into red meat anyway. all of my protein comes from tuna, poultry, egg whites, milk and legumes. if i have red meat, its a cheat day or just 4oz of lean ground beef. but i do go over the 1g/day. i'll try out what youre recommending here and see how it works for me

Basically, I am just trying to get people to try plant protein more than red meat as a source of protein.

 

[serge]

Re: Re: Protein Misconceptions

so youre basically telling us to discard what we've been taught and take your word without showing any literature on this. who do you think you are, nelson montana ?

LMFAO

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Cows eat plants, Chickens eat plants.... therefore I eat cows and chickens. I will leave the plant eating to them.

 

[2Thick]

Cows eat plants, Chickens eat plants.... therefore I eat cows and chickens. I will leave the plant eating to them.

Cows and chickens eat low quality grain that is low in nutrients. You are what you eat, dude.

 

[Debaser]

I have yet to see one single legitimate study showing that more than 1 g/lb does not equate to larger gains.

I have, however, made far superior gains by upping my intake to 1.5-2x BW. I was replacing carbs, so don't tell me it's just added calories. Since people say it's converted to glucose, I don't know how much muscle 400-800 calories of simple sugar would build anyway.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Edited...

Reply respectfully and you will be heard.

2Thick

 

[DepressiveJuice]

nelson i dont know what your reply there was, but i hope you know im kidding. i respect you and have been/will do some of the techniques you recommend. it was just a little joke

 

[mt]

Quit editing Nelson's posts!

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Cows and chickens eat low quality grain that is low in nutrients. You are what you eat, dude.

Damn... I was just kidding. I am all for eating veggies. Asparagus, Broccoli, Green Beans etc. I just don't know how you could possible get enough protein from those sources. I usually stick with Chicken, Fish and Turkey with Beef thrown in occasionally.... and I always eat my veggies for the fiber.

 

[2Thick]

Quit editing Nelson's posts!

Who are you again?

 

[Debaser]

Frankly I don't care how Nelson replys, I'm curious as to what he has to say. I think 95% of this board would agree with me.

 

[2Thick]

Frankly I don't care how Nelson replys, I'm curious as to what he has to say. I think 95% of this board would agree with me.

Well, then you should become a mod and have the power to do something about it.

 

[Debaser]

I can't even think how many posts are not phrased in a respectful way. You're doing it because it's Nelson.

Anyway, I would still love to see even ONE legitimate study affirming the 1g/lb rule.

 

[2Thick]

Anyway, I would still love to see even ONE legitimate study affirming the 1g/lb rule.

LOL... I do not even know who Nelson is.

You will see my data when I post the article.

 

[Kaksback]

2thick, (Cartman voice): "Ya damn hippy!""
lol

no, i agree and concur with 2thick.

much of protein digestion needs a co-factor or co-enzyme for proper absorption of all these "essential AA's"

what is a co-factor or co enzyme? many of the minerals and vitamins found in plants/veggies/etc.

 

[Lestat]

I'd like to see Nelson's opinion on this... it sucks that since the person starting the post was a MOD all of a sudden the rules change.

 

[2Thick]

I'd like to see Nelson's opinion on this... it sucks that since the person starting the post was a MOD all of a sudden the rules change.

They certainly do change.

If you do not give respect you do not get respect.

If you cannot understand that then I cannot help you.

 

[JKerry]

let's say i'm a mod and i write something. someone decides to disagree with me, albeit in a sarcastice manner... i think i'd allow another mod to edit that post instead of doing it myself. just doesnt' seem legit...

kerry

 

[2Thick]

let's say i'm a mod and i write something. someone decides to disagree with me, albeit in a sarcastice manner... i think i'd allow another mod to edit that post instead of doing it myself. just doesnt' seem legit...

kerry

Why is it that people who have less than 50 posts, like you, all of a sudden think that your opinion matters?

 

[2Thick]

please do.

Evaluation of protein requirements for strength trained athletes, Tarnopolsky et al, J App Physiol, Vol 73, pp1986-95

 

[JKerry]

"to make proteins, a cell must have all the needed amin oacids available simultaneously. the liver can produce any nonessential aa's that may be in short supply so that the cells can continue linking aa's into protein strands. if an essential aa is missing, though, a cell must dismantle its own proteins to obtain it..."

"a complete dietary protein contains all the essential aa's in relatively the same amounts as human beings require; it may or may not contain all the nonessential aas. generally, proteins derived from animals are complete, although gelatin is an exception (lacks trytophan). proteins from plants have more diverse aa patterns, and some tend to be limiting in one or more essential aas. som plant proteins are notoriously incomplete..."

in general, plant proteins are of lower quality than animal proteins, and plants also offer less protein per unit (weight or measure) of food. for this reason, many vegetarians combine plant protein foods with different but complementary aa patterns to obtain a full array of essential aa's.

reference protein: one of the most complete and digestible proteins is egg protein... and assigned a value of 100. qualities of other proteins were determined based on how they compare to eggs.

measures of protein quality can be determined according to:

amino acid scoring, biological value (more nitrogen retained=higher value), net protein utilization, protein efficiency ration and PDCAAS (protein digestibility-corrected amino acid score)

i don't have the time to explain them all

nutrition can be such a complex issue that one can not make vague generalizations about protein sources without taking alot of info into account.

kerry

 

[Kaksback]

2thick, (Cartman voice): "Ya damn hippy!""
lol

no, i agree and concur with 2thick.

much of protein digestion needs a co-factor or co-enzyme for proper absorption of all these "essential AA's"

what is a co-factor or co enzyme? many of the minerals and vitamins found in plants/veggies/etc.

arg!

 

[Debaser]

His opinion matters as much to me as yours does 2thick. Doggcrapp is the most knowledgeable trainer I know of but does he have a lot of posts here? Hell no.

 

[Debaser]

Evaluation of protein requirements for strength trained athletes, Tarnopolsky et al, J App Physiol, Vol 73, pp1986-95

I'd like to see the actual article posted...

 

[2Thick]

"to make proteins, a cell must have all the needed amin oacids available simultaneously. the liver can produce any nonessential aa's that may be in short supply so that the cells can continue linking aa's into protein strands. if an essential aa is missing, though, a cell must dismantle its own proteins to obtain it..."

"a complete dietary protein contains all the essential aa's in relatively the same amounts as human beings require; it may or may not contain all the nonessential aas. generally, proteins derived from animals are complete, although gelatin is an exception (lacks trytophan). proteins from plants have more diverse aa patterns, and some tend to be limiting in one or more essential aas. som plant proteins are notoriously incomplete..."

in general, plant proteins are of lower quality than animal proteins, and plants also offer less protein per unit (weight or measure) of food. for this reason, many vegetarians combine plant protein foods with different but complementary aa patterns to obtain a full array of essential aa's.

reference protein: one of the most complete and digestible proteins is egg protein... and assigned a value of 100. qualities of other proteins were determined based on how they compare to eggs.

measures of protein quality can be determined according to:

amino acid scoring, biological value (more nitrogen retained=higher value), net protein utilization, protein efficiency ration and PDCAAS (protein digestibility-corrected amino acid score)

i don't have the time to explain them all

nutrition can be such a complex issue that one can not make vague generalizations about protein sources without taking alot of info into account.

kerry

What is your point?

I did not tell you to choose one over the other. If you have taken the time to read, you might have gleaned my real point. The point is to make sure half of your protein comes from plant sources (and to choose poultry and fish over red meat).

Try to read and comprehend before flying off the handle.

 

[2Thick]

I'd like to see the actual article posted...

Go to a library and read it.

I am not your daddy.

 

[2Thick]

You'd think for such an important subject in regards to bodybuilding (nutrition) there would be ONE STUDY validating the 1 g/lb rule on the internet. I have yet to see it.

Strength-trained athletes huh? Show me a test for hardcore bodybuilders, under intense training sessions, pushing lots of weight around, and then show me that any protein over 1 g/lb has no effect on gains/recovery. Not some study regarding gymnasts or rock climbers.

Why would a scientific journal post its articles for free on the internet?

You do have these things called 'legs' that can get you to something called a 'library' where you can do something called 'research.'

Until then, pipe down in the peanut gallery.

 

[Debaser]

You'd think for such an important subject in regards to bodybuilding (nutrition) there would be ONE STUDY validating the 1 g/lb rule on the internet. I have yet to see it.

Strength-trained athletes huh? Show me a test for hardcore bodybuilders, under intense training sessions, pushing lots of weight around, and then show me that any protein over 1 g/lb has no effect on gains/recovery. Not some study regarding gymnasts or rock climbers.

 

[Debaser]

These studies are hard to find on the internet, but DC has said the following...

"Data from Tarnpolosky with European athletes shows that massive protein intakes of up to 3.5 g/kg further increase lean mass gains. In the early 1970’s, a study of weightlifters showed that these athletes needed at least 2.2 gr/kg. Two decades later Russian research demonstrated better muscle increases with 4.2 gr/kg.

Tarnpolosky trained with natural and sauced athletes and noted that every athlete was gaining at advanced rates from the higher figures than the lower 1.8 or so---Dehydration is the main culprit people must watch out for on high protein diets but anyone who is a bodybuilder who is drinking less than a gallon a day is cheating himself already "

 

[2Thick]

These studies are hard to find on the internet, but DC has said the following...

"Data from Tarnpolosky with European athletes shows that massive protein intakes of up to 3.5 g/kg further increase lean mass gains. In the early 1970’s, a study of weightlifters showed that these athletes needed at least 2.2 gr/kg. Two decades later Russian research demonstrated better muscle increases with 4.2 gr/kg.

Tarnpolosky trained with natural and sauced athletes and noted that every athlete was gaining at advanced rates from the higher figures than the lower 1.8 or so---Dehydration is the main culprit people must watch out for on high protein diets but anyone who is a bodybuilder who is drinking less than a gallon a day is cheating himself already "

This is not the correct article. The study that I posted by the same author has two groups (one control) with 3 levels of protein intake (low, medium, high; 0.86, 1.4 & 2.4 g/kg respectively).

As you can see the high group has 2.4g/kg (a little over 1g/ pound) and not the numbers you quoted.

 

[2Thick]

Basically I made a post that in no way disparaged 2 Thick, but I did resent evidence to he contrary of what he was sayng. I'm not going to repeat myself because it was very involved. It included the bioavalability of non animal protein soureces and the negitive effects on thyroid fuction from brocolli and estrogenic effects of tofu. In other words, it blew everything he said out of the water and he obviously didn't like that.

I will say this; If this is going to be the new trend at EF, it won't be long before I am outta here. This is bulls**t.

You should read before posting. It only reduces you further.

You are arguing something totally different.

If the trend you are talking about is respect then you better get used to it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Basically I made a post that in no way disparaged 2 Thick, but I did resent evidence to he contrary of what he was sayng. I'm not going to repeat myself because it was very involved. It included the bioavalability of non animal protein soureces and the negitive effects on thyroid fuction from brocolli and estrogenic effects of tofu. In other words, it blew everything he said out of the water and he obviously didn't like that.

I will say this; If this is going to be the new trend at EF, it won't be long before I am outta here. This is bulls**t.

 

[DocJ]

2Thick when the hell did you move to Germany?
How do you like it there? (sorry off topic)

 

[2Thick]

2Thick when the hell did you move to Germany?
How do you like it there? (sorry off topic)

I lived there for a few years. It is an amazing country. I lived in Bavaria and have not seen any other place that compares to its culture and natural beauty.

 

[Debaser]

It doesn't sound like he's arguing something different to me.

 

[Debaser]

This is not the correct article. The study that I posted by the same author has two groups (one control) with 3 levels of protein intake (low, medium, high; 0.86, 1.4 & 2.4 g/kg respectively).

As you can see the high group has 2.4g/kg (a little over 1g/ pound) and not the numbers you quoted.

I wasn't referring to your article, I backing up my claim for higher protein using studies of my own (which I am trying to see if they're on the net)

 

[2Thick]

I wasn't referring to your article, I backing up my claim for higher protein using studies of my own (which I am trying to see if they're on the net)

Where are the citations?

 

[Debaser]

You'd have to ask DC for that, I'm only quoting him. I doubt he's making them up, however.

 

[AAP]

I did not read all this, just a few posts on the first page...

But I weigh 241. If I go under 300 grams of protein daily, I don't "feel" big. Not to mention, I can't grow. I am at 350-400 grams of protein per day. I simply can not grow and maintain a low body fat % on 1 gram of protein per day.

I do eat a good amount of red meat, so don't see the case against it. My chlosterol is fine. My lipid profile is fine. Everything is fine. I don't gain fat from red meat either.

 

[2Thick]

I did not read all this, just a few posts on the first page...

But I weigh 241. If I go under 300 grams of protein daily, I don't "feel" big. Not to mention, I can't grow. I am at 350-400 grams of protein per day. I simply can not grow and maintain a low body fat % on 1 gram of protein per day.

I do eat a good amount of red meat, so don't see the case against it. My chlosterol is fine. My lipid profile is fine. Everything is fine. I don't gain fat from red meat either.

Everything is fine for now. Wait 20 years. Then is when it catches up to you.

Are you 'on' right now?

 

[sk*]

I did not read all this, just a few posts on the first page...

But I weigh 241. If I go under 300 grams of protein daily, I don't "feel" big. Not to mention, I can't grow. I am at 350-400 grams of protein per day. I simply can not grow and maintain a low body fat % on 1 gram of protein per day.

I do eat a good amount of red meat, so don't see the case against it. My chlosterol is fine. My lipid profile is fine. Everything is fine. I don't gain fat from red meat either.

You're always on low carbs though, right bro?

-sk

 

[AAP]

Yes, I am on right now. But I went from 189 to 230 after college eating this same way. Naturally.

sk* - yes, I am always on low carbs. Except every 5th or 6th day. (or vacation)

 

[2Thick]

sk* - yes, I am always on low carbs. Except every 5th or 6th day. (or vacation)

That would explain your need for high protein.

 

[sk*]

That would explain your need for high protein.

Yea, that's why I asked ...

If you go real low on carbs than you usually need more protein as a source of energy.

-sk

 

[AAP]

So basically, it comes down to a calorie requirement thing?

If I lowered my protein and ate more carbs, I could get away with it?

I don't get that. Because when I eat more carbs, I bloat after the 2nd or 3rd day of extra carbs. Even if my protein is lowered.

 

[genarr4]

What are your opinions of dairy proteins? ie Yogurt, Cottage Cheesse.

 

[2Thick]

Yea, that's why I asked ...

If you go real low on carbs than you usually need more protein as a source of energy.

-sk

Of course, credit where credit is due.

 

[L.D. 50]

Originally posted by 2Thick

Why is it that people who have less than 50 posts, like you, all of a sudden think that your opinion matters?

Not everyone here has the need to blab up a high post count. I take it this is a basic "fuck you" if you don't spend all your time posting on EF. And censoring posts? WTF?

 

[2Thick]

What are your opinions of dairy proteins? ie Yogurt, Cottage Cheesse.

They are great if they are low fat.

 

[2Thick]

Not everyone here has the need to blab up a high post count. I take it this is a basic "fuck you" if you don't spend all your time posting on EF. And censoring posts? WTF?

This is coming from a person that has double the number of posts per day than me?

Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot.

 

[2Thick]

So basically, it comes down to a calorie requirement thing?

If I lowered my protein and ate more carbs, I could get away with it?

I don't get that. Because when I eat more carbs, I bloat after the 2nd or 3rd day of extra carbs. Even if my protein is lowered.

Carbs usually have more water, so that bloating comes along with them.

 

[JG1]

AAP, whats your diet look like? How many carbs are you eating daily? Just eating them postworkout?

 

[genarr4]

Just as a non-essential point my GF is a vegetarian and I've been to a few non-meat resturants and must say the food can be very good. I didn't know what I was eating half the time but it wasn't lettuce and carrrots.

 

[AAP]

AAP, whats your diet look like? How many carbs are you eating daily? Just eating them postworkout?

I get about 180 grams of protein from my three protein shakes per day .... (AM, post workout and before bed).

I get the other 200 from 3-4 meals throughout the day. In forms of chicken, fish and red meat.

Carbs are usually in the morning with breakfast (not the shake, first meal) and then a few more up until I work out. Then dextrose post workout.

Other than that, I use a multivit, and I keep a bottle of PowerCube (lemon-lime flavored) Arginine and some glutamine peptides in the bathroom that I mix up a dose and drink if I get up and go to use the bathroom.

Yeah... arginine and glutamin may be a shitty supp and over hyped scam and such... but a few others have used it and liked it. Can't hurt can it... it is very cheap.

 

[Debaser]

This is coming from a person that has double the number of posts per day than me?

Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot.

Yeah, but he doesn't belittle others due to their post count, so I'm failing to see the similarity. In fact I've never seen someone do that before, and can't believe I saw it from A MODERATOR.

 

[2Thick]

Yeah, but he doesn't belittle others due to their post count, so I'm failing to see the similarity. In fact I've never seen someone do that before, and can't believe I saw it from A MODERATOR.

You fail to understand basic societal structure.

Intelligent and respectful debate and questioning is essential, but being the new kid on the block and disrespectfully addressing your superiors will not be condoned.

You earn respect. It is not given away with registration.

 

[2Thick]

Get off your high horse. You've just become the ONLY moderator that HAS NOT earned my respect. Irony defined.

 

[Debaser]

Get off your high horse. You've just become the ONLY moderator that HAS NOT earned my respect. Irony defined.

 

[L.D. 50]

Originally posted by 2Thick


This is coming from a person that has double the number of posts per day than me?

Ok bro, first of all, being that you are a mod, I would think that you have a working understanding of how things work here. I have 500 bullshit posts that were given to me for becoming platinum. Something I did after a year or so as a jesture of my appreciation for the knowledge that I have gained from this site. They don't mean shit. That would mean that I have less than 30 posts, which makes me your pissing pot, or kettle, if you wish.

Knocking someone because of their post count just doesn't say much for your mod skills.

 

[2Thick]

Ok bro, first of all, being that you are a mod, I would think that you have a working understanding of how things work here. I have 500 bullshit posts that were given to me for becoming platinum. Something I did after a year or so as a jesture of my appreciation for the knowledge that I have gained from this site. They don't mean shit. That would mean that I have less than 30 posts, which makes me your pissing pot, or kettle, if you wish.

Knocking someone because of their post count just doesn't say much for your mod skills.

What are you talking to me for again?

 

[2Thick]

Is there an official grounds for moderator suspension? You'd think it would include one of the two:

1. Deleting posts due to simple disagreement, or dislike of the person.

2. Telling new members that their opinions "didn't matter."

Nope, I make the rules and you follow them.

Know your role, kid.

 

[Debaser]

Is there an official grounds for moderator suspension? You'd think it would include one of the two:

1. Deleting posts due to simple disagreement, or dislike of the person.

2. Telling new members that their opinions "didn't matter."

 

[2Thick]

hy·poc·ri·sy
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.

an·noy


*To cause slight irritation to (another) by troublesome, often repeated acts.
*To harass or disturb by repeated attacks.

 

[Debaser]

Nope, I make the rules and you follow them.

Know your role, kid.

hy·poc·ri·sy
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.