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Prop/tren/mast/var/winny

King mathers

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Hello all first thread on this board! Been apart of other boards but always find myself back here for Educational purposes. I've been searching for months for the best cutting Cycle and came up with the below. I appreciate all help!

Stats:
Age 27
Weight: 204
BF: 16% will be 13% when I start my cycle
Height: 5-11
Diet: Strict
Goals: Lean Muscle 8%-9%BF
Target Date: July 2nd 2015
Lifting For 10+ years
College Athlete
Cycle history: 3 cycles consisting of prop winny anavar test e

I am little over 3 weeks out from
The start of this cutting cycle so I really want to fine tune this now so I can place my order.

test prop wk 1-12 50mg Ed
tren ace wk 1-12 50mg Ed
masteron wk 1-12 50mg eg
winny wk 6-12 50 mg Ed(injectable)
Var wk 1-6 100mg Ed or wk 6-12
Arimidex 1-12 .5mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu a week
Nolva wk 1-12 10mg Ed
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg 2x week


PCT

three days after last pin

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Looking for the best cutting stack possible. Thank you

I can restructure these to your suggestions.anything I need to add to this cycle?

Since I will be injecting Ed can I put all of it in one syringe or do I need to split it up? Sorry never had so many compounds to pin Ed.

If I were to drop one compound which would you suggest knowing my target date and goals? I am just a little worried that this may be a little advanced for me. Maybe tren or mast?

Thank you!!
 
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I'm not sure it's a good idea to run tren for 12 wk and pct with nolva after tren and while on a cycle
I absolutely don't like clen specially with tren ! It's gonna kill your cardio
I'm sure someone will give you a better cycle for your goals
 
I'm not sure it's a good idea to run tren for 12 wk and pct with nolva after tren and while on a cycle
I absolutely don't like clen specially with tren ! It's gonna kill your cardio
I'm sure someone will give you a better cycle for your goals

I'm not gonna run Clen. Should I drop tren completely?
 
Hello all first thread on this board! Been apart of other boards but always find myself back here for Educational purposes. I've been searching for months for the best cutting Cycle and came up with the below. I appreciate all help!

Stats:
Age 27
Weight: 204
BF: 16% will be 13% when I start my cycle
Height: 5-11
Diet: Strict
Goals: Lean Muscle 8%-9%BF
Target Date: July 2nd 2015
Lifting For 10+ years
College Athlete
Location: Manhattan NY
Cycle history: 3 cycles consisting of prop winny anavar test e

I am little over 3 weeks out from
The start of this cutting cycle so I really want to fine tune this now so I can place my order.

test prop wk 1-12 50mg Ed
tren ace wk 1-12 50mg Ed
masteron wk 1-12 50mg eg
winny wk 6-12 50 mg Ed(injectable)
Var wk 1-6 100mg Ed or wk 6-12
Arimidex 1-12 .5mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu a week
Nolva wk 1-12 10mg Ed
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg 2x week


PCT

three days after last pin

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Looking for the best cutting stack possible. Thank you

I can restructure these to your suggestions.anything I need to add to this cycle?

Since I will be injecting Ed can I put all of it in one syringe or do I need to split it up? Sorry never had so many compounds to pin Ed.

If I were to drop one compound which would you suggest knowing my target date and goals? I am just a little worried that this may be a little advanced for me. Maybe tren or mast?

Thank you!!

Drop the nolva during cycle and just use it during pct. Use adex at 0.25mg ed but 0.5mg eod is fine too. Run HCG twice weekly at 250IU (500IU total).

I would drop the winny and save it for another cycle. Run avar at the later stage (6-12) of your cycle at 60-100mg (go up each week by 10mg if you can).

Your diet should be mod protein, low fat (but the best quality) and mod-high carbs.

How do you plan to lose 3% bf in the next 3 weeks?
 
Drop the nolva during cycle and just use it during pct. Use adex at 0.25mg ed but 0.5mg eod is fine too. Run HCG twice weekly at 250IU (500IU total).

I would drop the winny and save it for another cycle. Run avar at the later stage (6-12) of your cycle at 60-100mg (go up each week by 10mg if you can).

Your diet should be mod protein, low fat (but the best quality) and mod-high carbs.

How do you plan to lose 3% bf in the next 3 weeks?


Great stuff thank you!!! I've been doing intermediate fasting the last 2 weeks it has helped me drop the extra body fat which I only carry around the mid section. By that I have 3 low cal days one high cal day. I will do this for another week. Then slowly introduce more calories up until I start my on cycle meal plan. I should be able to lose 10lbs in the next 7-9 days. Right now my workouts consist of HIIT two body parts a day with interval cadio training HIIT to max heart rate of 60-70% for about 45 minutes 4-5 times a week.
 
Great stuff thank you!!! I've been doing intermediate fasting the last 2 weeks it has helped me drop the extra body fat which I only carry around the mid section. By that I have 3 low cal days one high cal day. I will do this for another week. Then slowly introduce more calories up until I start my on cycle meal plan. I should be able to lose 10lbs in the next 7-9 days. Right now my workouts consist of HIIT two body parts a day with interval cadio training HIIT to max heart rate of 60-70% for about 45 minutes 4-5 times a week.

Good stuff. The IF should improve your slin sensitivity so will add to things during your cycle. Try to have a few very low carb days with lots of good fat and protein if you can.
 
Good stuff. The IF should improve your slin sensitivity so will add to things during your cycle. Try to have a few very low carb days with lots of good fat and protein if you can.

Thanks! I usually do.

If I were to keep the winny in my cycle what should I drop? And how should I restructure it? I appreciate your help...I wanna keep the winny because I think it will give me that great dry definition look right before my vaca. Thank you
 
Thanks! I usually do.

If I were to keep the winny in my cycle what should I drop? And how should I restructure it? I appreciate your help...I wanna keep the winny because I think it will give me that great dry definition look right before my vaca. Thank you

Listen to what he said, drop the winny & move the var to the back end.....mast & winny together isn't really needed...I'd do pretty much what Elvia said with the addition of dropping the tren after 7 weeks or so and getting down to 10% minimum for the best results from the mast.

Great cycle the way Elvia has you set up.

You may wanna take "Manhattan NY" out of your post.
 
Listen to what he said, drop the winny & move the var to the back end.....mast & winny together isn't really needed...I'd do pretty much what Elvia said with the addition of dropping the tren after 7 weeks or so and getting down to 10% minimum for the best results from the mast.

Great cycle the way Elvia has you set up.

You may wanna take "Manhattan NY" out of your post.

Will do thank you
 
Listen to what he said, drop the winny & move the var to the back end.....mast & winny together isn't really needed...I'd do pretty much what Elvia said with the addition of dropping the tren after 7 weeks or so and getting down to 10% minimum for the best results from the mast.

Great cycle the way Elvia has you set up.

You may wanna take "Manhattan NY" out of your post.

Like this?

test prop wk 1-12 50mg ED
tren ace wk 1-7 50mg ED
masteron wk 1-12 50mg eg
Var wk 6-12 60/70/80/90/100/100/100
Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg 2x week
 
Like this?

test prop wk 1-12 50mg ED
tren ace wk 1-7 50mg ED
masteron wk 1-12 50mg eg
Var wk 6-12 60/70/80/90/100/100/100
Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg 2x week

That looks great. I would run the tren longer but either would be great. Tren will give you the best results out of everything in your cycle. I said about the winny not because I don't think it would give you a dry look but sometimes less is more and guys can go over the top with things. Plus you have only done 3 cycles so you are already on a lot of stuff. Although I totally understand EZ_E as tren is not the best thing to be on for long periods... plus you are adding in the avar anyway. 7 weeks is all you need for tren a so go with what you have listed as that looks great.
 
I'd go with 60-70 mg's of var max and the same dose, no need to ramp up.
 
I'd go with 60-70 mg's of var max and the same dose, no need to ramp up.

Me too. I am on 50mg avar and loving it (only with 40mg test p everyday). I am changing fast so very happy. I figured the fact he wrote 100mg meant he had 50mg tabs which means it definitely won't be 100mg avar he is on. I should have checked though. OP what avar tabs do you have? Chances are you will be on winny anyway :biggrin: Only joking but really most avar are fake or very under dosed these days.
 
That looks great. I would run the tren longer but either would be great. Tren will give you the best results out of everything in your cycle. I said about the winny not because I don't think it would give you a dry look but sometimes less is more and guys can go over the top with things. Plus you have only done 3 cycles so you are already on a lot of stuff. Although I totally understand EZ_E as tren is not the best thing to be on for long periods... plus you are adding in the avar anyway. 7 weeks is all you need for tren a so go with what you have listed as that looks great.

Thank you!! I really appreciate The assistance

2 quick questions;

1. Can I run the tren on the back end for 7 weeks instead of week 1-7 do weeks
4-12? Just asking so when my last pin for the cycle is done I will be leaving for vaca.

2. Since I am introducing two new compounds(tren,mast) I am thinking about dropping the mast. If I do drop the mast will I still have a good chance to reach my goals being that tren will do the majority of the gains? Or should I just keep it?
 
I'd go with 60-70 mg's of var max and the same dose, no need to ramp up.

Thank you for the help!!

test prop wk 1-12 50mg ED
tren ace wk 1-7 50mg ED
masteron wk 1-12 50mg eg
Var wk 6-12 70mg ed
Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg 2x week
 
Me too. I am on 50mg avar and loving it (only with 40mg test p everyday). I am changing fast so very happy. I figured the fact he wrote 100mg meant he had 50mg tabs which means it definitely won't be 100mg avar he is on. I should have checked though. OP what avar tabs do you have? Chances are you will be on winny anyway :biggrin: Only joking but really most avar are fake or very under dosed these days.

No I respect you vets and if you guys say drop it I did I'm not arrogant. I was worried about my anavar being faked so I spent more and getting human grade. So if that's the case I will just run 60mg Ed.
 
Thank you!! I really appreciate The assistance

2 quick questions;

1. Can I run the tren on the back end for 7 weeks instead of week 1-7 do weeks
4-12? Just asking so when my last pin for the cycle is done I will be leaving for vaca.

2. Since I am introducing two new compounds(tren,mast) I am thinking about dropping the mast. If I do drop the mast will I still have a good chance to reach my goals being that tren will do the majority of the gains? Or should I just keep it?

1. Yes not a problem. You will look great for your vacation :biggrin: How long are you going on vacation? Are you going with your gf/wife? You are running short esters so they will clear fairly quickly. Just don't want you crashing when you are away with your girl. The hormones take time to leave the system anyway plus you will be running pct. Are you planning to take your pct away with you?

2. When adding in new compounds I like to do them at different times so you know the difference each brings. So you could save mast for a future cycle. Although mast is a great compliment to test and tren. Either way you will be fine cos test, tren and avar is a great combo.
 
No I respect you vets and if you guys say drop it I did I'm not arrogant. I was worried about my anavar being faked so I spent more and getting human grade. So if that's the case I will just run 60mg Ed.

If you have good avar then 60mg should be more than enough. I would start at 40mg per day and see how you are. Move up dose if needed. 40mg of good avar is a lot. Take the smallest effective dose you can as you can't just up the dose every time you use it (especially if you use say 100mg now). Let us know how you get on with it :)
 
1. Yes not a problem. You will look great for your vacation :biggrin: How long are you going on vacation? Are you going with your gf/wife? You are running short esters so they will clear fairly quickly. Just don't want you crashing when you are away with your girl. The hormones take time to leave the system anyway plus you will be running pct. Are you planning to take your pct away with you?

2. When adding in new compounds I like to do them at different times so you know the difference each brings. So you could save mast for a future cycle. Although mast is a great compliment to test and tren. Either way you will be fine cos test, tren and avar is a great combo.


I am actually only going away for 4 days to vegas for 4th of July bachelore party. so I really need to look my absolute best! and to perform at my best lol so that would needs to function properly. I was planning on my last pin the day I leave but I may overnight my last 4 pins wile I'm actually there then start my pct 3 days after my last pin which I will be on my way back. What you think?

I will leave the mast in my cycle and run the tren from week 5-12. Now you know what I'm training for and you can kinda see why I wanted to run the winny which I will listen and not run it. I am confident in what you approved and how I train along with my diet I hope to be where I want, if you can suggest anything else at all please by all means. like how I can lose the extra water before I leave?
 
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If you have good avar then 60mg should be more than enough. I would start at 40mg per day and see how you are. Move up dose if needed. 40mg of good avar is a lot. Take the smallest effective dose you can as you can't just up the dose every time you use it (especially if you use say 100mg now). Let us know how you get on with it :)

I will start at 40mg since I'm pretty sure it's going to be legit.

2 more questions sorry for the hassle;

1. I actually read that my tren dose should be higher then my test and will help me sleep better. Is that correct? If so run tren at 50mg Ed and prop 40mg Ed?

2.Can I pin all three compounds at once?(tren,prop,mast)
 
Why not try to avoid excess estrogen side effects by stopping aromatization in the first place by using an AI on cycle? It's better to prevent excess estrogen from forming in the first place than try to treat it afterwards IMO. In addition i also take kessar in the am ever training day and prov morning and before bed.
 
Thank you!! I really appreciate The assistance

2 quick questions;

1. Can I run the tren on the back end for 7 weeks instead of week 1-7 do weeks
4-12? Just asking so when my last pin for the cycle is done I will be leaving for vaca.

2. Since I am introducing two new compounds(tren,mast) I am thinking about dropping the mast. If I do drop the mast will I still have a good chance to reach my goals being that tren will do the majority of the gains? Or should I just keep it?

Reaching your goals depends 100% on you not the drugs, bossman
 
I will start at 40mg since I'm pretty sure it's going to be legit.

2 more questions sorry for the hassle;

1. I actually read that my tren dose should be higher then my test and will help me sleep better. Is that correct? If so run tren at 50mg Ed and prop 40mg Ed?

2.Can I pin all three compounds at once?(tren,prop,mast)

1. There is merit in low test and higher tren but it is not needed. They key is controlling estrogen when on cycle. If you control estrogen then you should be fine. Although tren is a very strong drug so some guys will get bad sides no matter what they run with it. I personally get no sleeping issues I just sweat badly through the night sometimes on it. The key with tren is start very low (10mg per day) and gradually move up in dose. Tapering up the dose is key to minimizing side effects. Although personally I would rather run 40mg test and 50 (or even 60mg) of tren compared to 50mg of both.

2. Yes you can pin them all together. Just be careful as some props can sting bad so the larger the inject volume the worst that could be. I would start off injecting them separately just to see how you react to each. Then sure combine them all in the same pin if you want.
 
1. There is merit in low test and higher tren but it is not needed. They key is controlling estrogen when on cycle. If you control estrogen then you should be fine. Although tren is a very strong drug so some guys will get bad sides no matter what they run with it. I personally get no sleeping issues I just sweat badly through the night sometimes on it. The key with tren is start very low (10mg per day) and gradually move up in dose. Tapering up the dose is key to minimizing side effects. Although personally I would rather run 40mg test and 50 (or even 60mg) of tren compared to 50mg of both.

2. Yes you can pin them all together. Just be careful as some props can sting bad so the larger the inject volume the worst that could be. I would start off injecting them separately just to see how you react to each. Then sure combine them all in the same pin if you want.


Thanks man your the best! I appreciate your help. So should I start the tren a little early at 10mg and drop my prop to 40mg like this?

Test prop wk 1-12 40mg ED
Tren ace wk 1-4 10/20/30/50 Ed
Tren ace wk 5-12 60mg ED
masteron wk 1-12 50mg Ed
Var wk 6-12 60mg Ed
Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg e3d


Pct
3 days after last pin

Clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20

Do I need add anything to either the cycle or pct?
 
I am actually only going away for 4 days to vegas for 4th of July bachelore party. so I really need to look my absolute best! and to perform at my best lol so that would needs to function properly. I was planning on my last pin the day I leave but I may overnight my last 4 pins wile I'm actually there then start my pct 3 days after my last pin which I will be on my way back. What you think?

I will leave the mast in my cycle and run the tren from week 5-12. Now you know what I'm training for and you can kinda see why I wanted to run the winny which I will listen and not run it. I am confident in what you approved and how I train along with my diet I hope to be where I want, if you can suggest anything else at all please by all means. like how I can lose the extra water before I leave?

Just noticed this....bachelor party & juice don't mix
 
Just noticed this....bachelor party & juice don't mix

That will be just after his cycle but sure not the best end to a cycle at all. OP be good and stay off alcohol your entire cycle as it will only add to your results.

I have to admit I have been guilty of drinking on cycles many times. Last time I went to Ibiza I ran a cycle just before with high dosed avar. Alcohol and steroids (especially orals) are a terrible combo.

Definitely look into TUDCA or synthergine and drinks lots of water even when you are away in Vegas.
 
That will be just after his cycle but sure not the best end to a cycle at all. OP be good and stay off alcohol your entire cycle as it will only add to your results.

I have to admit I have been guilty of drinking on cycles many times. Last time I went to Ibiza I ran a cycle just before with high dosed avar. Alcohol and steroids (especially orals) are a terrible combo.

Definitely look into TUDCA or synthergine and drinks lots of water even when you are away in Vegas.

I'm not a big drinker and I am
Strict I do not touch alcohol
Wile on cycle. How Do I prevent bloat wile I'm away?
 
I'm not a big drinker and I am
Strict I do not touch alcohol
Wile on cycle. How Do I prevent bloat wile I'm away?

Just don't over do things. After a few shots of vodka you will look incredible. But drink the bottle and you will bloat. I would try to stick with clear spirits (vodka) and avoid beer etc. Obviously in the 4 days if you eat at a Chinese buffet, pizza, hamburgers etc that will bloat you up bad. So keep the diet as clean as you can.

Drink lots of water and try to do that before you go to sleep too (after you have been drinking alcohol). Spend time in the sun too as that will dry you out.

One other thing don't listen to a word I say! You are away for 4 days so just go for it and have fun. 4 days won't ruin months of hard work. Life is about having fun just be sensible with things... sounds like you will do that anyway. Too many guys are doing stupid stuff to look good on the beach which in turn ruins their trip cos they are too consumed with their looks. Time to party :D
 
Just don't over do things. After a few shots of vodka you will look incredible. But drink the bottle and you will bloat. I would try to stick with clear spirits (vodka) and avoid beer etc. Obviously in the 4 days if you eat at a Chinese buffet, pizza, hamburgers etc that will bloat you up bad. So keep the diet as clean as you can.

Drink lots of water and try to do that before you go to sleep too (after you have been drinking alcohol). Spend time in the sun too as that will dry you out.

One other thing don't listen to a word I say! You are away for 4 days so just go for it and have fun. 4 days won't ruin months of hard work. Life is about having fun just be sensible with things... sounds like you will do that anyway. Too many guys are doing stupid stuff to look good on the beach which in turn ruins their trip cos they are too consumed with their looks. Time to party :D

Man thank you! I really appreciate it that's great advise. I will work hard and diet I'm going to have fun. Are u ok with the final cycle?

Test prop wk 1-12 40mg ED
Tren ace wk 1-4 10/20/30/50 Ed
Tren ace wk 5-12 60mg ED
masteron wk 1-12 50mg Ed
Var wk 6-12 60mg Ed
Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg e3d


Pct
3 days after last pin

Clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
 
Man thank you! I really appreciate it that's great advise. I will work hard and diet I'm going to have fun. Are u ok with the final cycle?

Test prop wk 1-12 40mg ED
Tren ace wk 1-4 10/20/30/50 Ed
Tren ace wk 5-12 60mg ED
masteron wk 1-12 50mg Ed
Var wk 6-12 60mg Ed
Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod
Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek
Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg e3d


Pct
3 days after last pin

Clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20

Looks good. See how you are with the adex and adjust if needed.

Only change is run tren 1-10
Week 1= 10mg and increase to 20mg over a few days
Week 2= 20mg and increase to 30mg
Week 3= 30mg and increase to 40mg
Week 4= 40mg to 50mg
Week 5= 50 mg to 60mg
Week 6-10= 60mg

That will really help minimize side effects. Let me know how you get on... that is one nice looking cycle :D
 
Looks good. See how you are with the adex and adjust if needed.

Only change is run tren 1-10
Week 1= 10mg and increase to 20mg over a few days
Week 2= 20mg and increase to 30mg
Week 3= 30mg and increase to 40mg
Week 4= 40mg to 50mg
Week 5= 50 mg to 60mg
Week 6-10= 60mg

That will really help minimize side effects. Let me know how you get on... that is one nice looking cycle :D

Thank you! I will make a thread as I start that will go to the end of the cycle.

Another question; should I make my last pin the day I leave for vaca or should I have my last pins wile on on vaca and pin wile I'm there which I don't have an issue with? What would you do? I don't want to be away and have to pct or have any sides you know let me know what the best way to do this. I rather time my cycle perfectly up to the last day.
 
Thank you! I will make a thread as I start that will go to the end of the cycle.

Another question; should I make my last pin the day I leave for vaca or should I have my last pins wile on on vaca and pin wile I'm there which I don't have an issue with? What would you do? I don't want to be away and have to pct or have any sides you know let me know what the best way to do this. I rather time my cycle perfectly up to the last day.

You are only away for 4 days so I would do your last pin the day you leave for Las Vegas. Then when you come back start your pct. No need to take stuff with you at all. The test will still be in your system when you get back.
 
I hate to bring up an old thread but I decided to drop the mast I was wondering if I have to adjust any of my dosages??? My target date got moved from July 2 to aug 28th which im fine with im at 14% just gives me more time to get to lower bf.

With dropping mast here how's the cycle would look:

Test prop wk 1-12 40mg ED


Tren ace wk 1-5 10/20/30/40/50


Tren ace wk 6-10 60mg ED

Var wk 6-12 60mg Ed


Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod


Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek


Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg e3d

PCT SAME

For hair I added/started:
minoxidil, nazorol 2% and finasteride


Original cycle

Test prop wk 1-12 40mg ED


Tren ace wk 1-4 10/20/30/50 Ed


Tren ace wk 5-12 60mg ED


masteron wk 1-12 50mg Ed


Var wk 6-12 60mg Ed


Arimidex 1-12 .25mg eod


Hcg wk 1-12 250iu 2xweek


Caber wk 1-12 .25 mg e3d


Thank you
 
Sorry for being late I have had comp problems. I would keep everything the same. I know when you drop something you automatically think what can I increase to make up for that. But looking at your cycle that looks like plenty and will be more than enough to help you reach your goals. Diet will really be the no.1 factor in attaining your goals. I have run a similar cycle in the past with poor diet and looked mediocre. Get your diet 100% and you will transform fast.
 
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