Thanks glover. it's funny how similar my routine and nutritional outlook is to yours, i cycle on and off as seen fit (and never for long peroids anymore as it becomes counter productive for my goals), my rep schemes r the same 6-8 then 10-12, heavy weights going to failure but also intense with short breaks so the workout feels like a workout and not just going through the motions (old school). and most importantly consistant workout schedule and diet. i only eat when hungry, never count cals,and never force feed myself, but i do get in a lot of protein and veggies. i know i will never be 250 ripped eating this way but then again i would never want to be, but to each their own, some guys pull it off and look good, but it's not my lifestyle. i still think this game is about health and looking good and overeating and destroying waistlines is not apart of the equation, but like i said earlier to each their own. i want to have muscles, but still look good and healthy and enjoy life while growin them. it's a marathon not a race and from the looks of it you glover are ahead of most of the pack. thanks again for the reply, peace