Primo -- The Misunderstood Steroid!

[Nelson Montana]

So here I am in South Beach -- sun, beautiful women, non stop parties, and wouldn't you know it -- I can't stay away from this frickin' site! There's something very wrong with that.

Be that as it may I was perusing the threads and wanted to make a few points regarding some of the topics about my beloved Preemo.

So here are my...

FIVE Biggest Myths About PRIMOBOLAN!

Myth #1)... Preemo is a cutter drug

Sure, it's great as a cutter, but in reality, it's not much better than many other drugs. Right off the bat, let me say that the fat burning effects of steroids are overstated. They are growth drugs and work best as such. Most of the fat burning comes from the fact that muscle is more metabolically active, which in turn forces more fat to be used as energy. It's more of a "side effect" than a direct thermogenic action. In the case of Preemo, because it doesn't bloat, it gives a harder appearence which leads people to believe they're "leaner", but water is not fat and Preemo doesn't necessarily burn fat any better than, let's say, test. HOWEVER, Preemo has an anti estrogen effect so that too leads to less bloat and less fat storage. There's also the belief that Preemo works on a calorie restricted diet but I've seen no evidence that it does this any better than any other steroid. It's one of those things that have been parrotted from one guru to the next. This may sound like I'm knocking Preemo. Read on. You'll see why I think it's the best steroid you can use.

Myth#2) Preemo causes hair loss.

Not as bad as people think. Dball and test also cause hairloss. Remember, Preemo is NOT DHT, (like Proviron) it's a derivitive. So simply put, if you have a perpensity to hair loss, you're fucked anyway and if you don't, P won't hurt you.

Myth #3...Preemo is weak

No. It's just PURE muscle. Pure muscle takes time to grow. Take away the bloat from other drugs (and the increase in blood volume from dball) and the amount of muscle is about the same, maybe more.

Myth #4...You have to stay on Preemo at least 12 weeks to see results

Not true. Again, this is because the gains are pure, you may not see big numbers on the scale for a while but it works as fast as any other drug.

Myth# 5..Preemo is not a bulking drug.

THE BIGGEST MYTH OF ALL!!! PREEMO IS A GREAT BULKING DRUG.

Here's why...

Preemo works in the way all steroids HOPE to work -- by increasing nitrogen without affecting the HPTA. As bodybuilders we all need more protein than we usuallly eat, but without enhancement, there's only so much the body will use. All steroids increase nitrogen retention but none as well as P. The more protein the better. And the results are solid muscle that lasts. So unless you're willing to eat tuna and sugar free protein shakes that means you should be eating A LOT MORE CALORIES. Yet, ironically, people don't take advantage of this factor. They eat LESS!. Bad move. Stuff your face with protein while on Primo and you'll get massive. The best gains I ever made was with Preemo and a high calorie diet which included the ingredients in BIG BLAST ( Mainly Plasma Protein and creatiine).

One last thing -- P is libido nuetral. It doesn't raise it or lower it. And it is very easy on the HPTA. HOWEVER, unlike other steroids, if you use ONLY P, your T level will actually be LOWER. For this reason you should always use P with some Test. But you don't need much -- about 250mgs. Just enough to get a little above normal/high levels.

That's it brothers. Sorry for any spelling mistakes. I'm a little distracted here. : )


I may make a couple of other posts, then I'm off to take care of business.

Stay strong!

 

[GUARDIAN]

go chase some thongs!!!!!

good info.

i am gonna stick by my 12 weeks for the primo length though. i seem to get my max benefits from it around there.

 

[swole]

great post Nelson, this should be a sticky

almost done with week 3, can't wait to see what i look like after week 12

12 weeks
300mg test E
700mg Preemo
derma throughout

 

[advanced-stealth]

Nice post now get back to the honeys.

 

[josenunes]

So here I am in South Beach -- sun, beautiful women, non stop parties, and wouldn't you know it -- I can't stay away from this frickin' site! There's something very wrong with that.

Be that as it may I was perusing the threads and wanted to make a few points regarding some of the topics about my beloved Preemo.

So here are my...

FIVE Biggest Myths About PRIMOBOLAN!

Myth #1)... Preemo is a cutter drug

Sure, it's great as a cutter, but in reality, it's not much better than many other drugs. Right off the bat, let me say that the fat burning effects of steroids are overstated. They are growth drugs and work best as such. Most of the fat burning comes from the fact that muscle is more metabolically active, which in turn forces more fat to be used as energy. It's more of a "side effect" than a direct thermogenic action. In the case of Preemo, because it doesn't bloat, it gives a harder appearence which leads people to believe they're "leaner", but water is not fat and Preemo doesn't necessarily burn fat any better than, let's say, test. HOWEVER, Preemo has an anti estrogen effect so that too leads to less bloat and less fat storage. There's also the belief that Preemo works on a calorie restricted diet but I've seen no evidence that it does this any better than any other steroid. It's one of those things that have been parrotted from one guru to the next. This may sound like I'm knocking Preemo. Read on. You'll see why I think it's the best steroid you can use.

Myth#2) Preemo causes hair loss.

Not as bad as people think. Dball and test also cause hairloss. Remember, Preemo is NOT dihydrotestosterone, (like Proviron) it's a derivitive. So simply put, if you have a perpensity to hair loss, you're fucked anyway and if you don't, P won't hurt you.

Myth #3...Preemo is weak

No. It's just PURE muscle. Pure muscle takes time to grow. Take away the bloat from other drugs (and the increase in blood volume from dball) and the amount of muscle is about the same, maybe more.

Myth #4...You have to stay on Preemo at least 12 weeks to see results

Not true. Again, this is because the gains are pure, you may not see big numbers on the scale for a while but it works as fast as any other drug.

Myth# 5..Preemo is not a bulking drug.

THE BIGGEST MYTH OF ALL!!! PREEMO IS A GREAT BULKING DRUG.

Here's why...

Preemo works in the way all steroids HOPE to work -- by increasing nitrogen without affecting the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - . As bodybuilders we all need more protein than we usuallly eat, but without enhancement, there's only so much the body will use. All steroids increase nitrogen retention but none as well as P. The more protein the better. And the results are solid muscle that lasts. So unless you're willing to eat tuna and sugar free protein shakes that means you should be eating A LOT MORE CALORIES. Yet, ironically, people don't take advantage of this factor. They eat LESS!. Bad move. Stuff your face with protein while on Primobolan - methenolone - and you'll get massive. The best gains I ever made was with Preemo and a high calorie diet which included the ingredients in BIG BLAST ( Mainly Plasma Protein and creatiine).

One last thing -- P is libido nuetral. It doesn't raise it or lower it. And it is very easy on the HPTA. HOWEVER, unlike other steroids, if you use ONLY P, your T level will actually be LOWER. For this reason you should always use P with some Test. But you don't need much -- about 250mgs. Just enough to get a little above normal/high levels.

That's it brothers. Sorry for any spelling mistakes. I'm a little distracted here. : )


I may make a couple of other posts, then I'm off to take care of business.

Stay strong!

Nelson I hope you can give me a help here, I`m planning my first cycle of injectables and I was thinking on a cycle like this: 100mg primobolan every 5 days , I think that for a newbie this dosage its enough to see results and don't have side effects , but my questions are:
1)I heard that at 200mg a week there's no htpa suppression , so for how long can I run the cycle without the need for pct?
2)for a 10week cycle is the use of hcg during the cycle needed or a waste?
3) If pct needed , what do you recommend?
THANKS

 

[bigJohn86]

Good read.

 

[thebadguy54]

great post Nelson, this should be a sticky

almost done with week 3, can't wait to see what i look like after week 12

12 weeks
300mg testosterone enanthate
700mg Preemo
derma throughout

Hey bro... where do you stick 700mg primo? The only ones I've seen are 100mg/ml so I'm wondering where you put 7cc's of gear ew.

 

[access]

Good solid advice as always...just the timing of this post...now there is something very wrong with that. Damn Nelson ENJOY your vacation!!

 

[bigJohn86]

Hey bro... where do you stick 700mg Primobolan - methenolone - ? The only ones I've seen are 100mg/ml so I'm wondering where you put 7cc's of gear ew.

Im running 700mg pw preemo & 500mg testosterone enanthate pw

200mg preemo eod & 500mg teste every 7days

rotating left glute /right glute/ left thigh /right thigh ...

 

[thebadguy54]

Im running 700mg pw preemo & 500mg testosterone enanthate pw

200mg preemo eod & 500mg testosterone enanthate every 7days

rotating left glute /right glute/ left thigh /right thigh ...

That's not bad I guess.

Primo and I have a date next winter. It sounds like my kind of drug.

 

[trowsersnake98]

agreed, second cycle i ran was prim0 300mg a wk and 250mg sust/wk and i got some really good quality muscle gains. it was a bulker too.

 

[josenunes]

Nelson I hope you can give me a help here, I`m planning my first cycle of injectables and I was thinking on a cycle like this: 100mg primobolan every 5 days , I think that for a newbie this dosage its enough to see results and don't have side effects , but my questions are:
1)I heard that at 200mg a week there's no htpa suppression , so for how long can I run the cycle without the need for PCT - post cycle therapy - ?
2)for a 10week cycle is the use of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - during the cycle needed or a waste?
3) If PCT - post cycle therapy - needed , what do you recommend?
THANKS

nelson is on vacations?????
so anybody can help me with the questions above?

 

[goku_kakarot77]

nice

 

[Donnie Darko]

I've often thought of experimenting with primo as a bridging compound from one cycle to the next.

 

[Para_Shoot]

Nelson, is that what makes one steroid a "cutter" versus another a "bulker", the way primo acts as pure muscle, no water retention, no estrogen activity? I mean, what would be the medical term (definition) in regards to steroids in sports/bodybuilding as a "cutter", or do we just label it as that cause it doesn't cause bloat but it also doesn't burn fat like people think it does? Would it just be safe to say that any steroid that acts like primo (tren maybe) is a "cutter" as well?

 

[DBBT]

I'm not going to waste my time with preemo
my boy AAP said it aint worth it just to even try once
you seen the fucker, he's for real. So I'll also save it and buy 7 times as much test/deca.

it's for women
AND
if you are REALLY lean

Otherwise save the dough and forget about the magical things it apparently does at around a gram for 12-14 weeks and KNOW you'll get bigger for sure onn ur test/deca stack

 

[fast_lane]

Hi Nelson are u back from vacation yet?First i gota tell u i just finished reading ur books and there very good and interesting to read.

One other thing before i post concerning this thread,i have to tell u guys i'm a french dude from montreal so "scuse my french"...(or my english mistakes if u prefer...)Thanks for ur understanding guys.

Ok here wee go,Nelson u say that primo doesn't supress the HPTA and u say its neutral on the libido but after words u say that test will be lower(are u talking about natural test?)and also if it dosen't supress the HPTA how come its lower?

One other thing i find confusing about ur post is;if i throw in some artificial test with the primo then in my opinion i'll be suppressing my HPTA by doing this,so the point of taking primo for its gentle sides wont be legitimate...And u will finaly suppressing the HPTA,even with just 100 mgs a week dont u think?

 

[needtogetaas]

Nelsons back.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Great Post Nelson! Should be a sticky. Mods, lets make this happen!

 

[the_alcatraz]

So here I am in South Beach -- sun, beautiful women, non stop parties, and wouldn't you know it -- I can't stay away from this frickin' site! There's something very wrong with that.

Be that as it may I was perusing the threads and wanted to make a few points regarding some of the topics about my beloved Preemo.

So here are my...

FIVE Biggest Myths About PRIMOBOLAN!

Myth #1)... Preemo is a cutter drug

Sure, it's great as a cutter, but in reality, it's not much better than many other drugs. Right off the bat, let me say that the fat burning effects of steroids are overstated. They are growth drugs and work best as such. Most of the fat burning comes from the fact that muscle is more metabolically active, which in turn forces more fat to be used as energy. It's more of a "side effect" than a direct thermogenic action. In the case of Preemo, because it doesn't bloat, it gives a harder appearence which leads people to believe they're "leaner", but water is not fat and Preemo doesn't necessarily burn fat any better than, let's say, test. HOWEVER, Preemo has an anti estrogen effect so that too leads to less bloat and less fat storage. There's also the belief that Preemo works on a calorie restricted diet but I've seen no evidence that it does this any better than any other steroid. It's one of those things that have been parrotted from one guru to the next. This may sound like I'm knocking Preemo. Read on. You'll see why I think it's the best steroid you can use.

Myth#2) Preemo causes hair loss.

Not as bad as people think. Dball and test also cause hairloss. Remember, Preemo is NOT DHT, (like Proviron) it's a derivitive. So simply put, if you have a perpensity to hair loss, you're fucked anyway and if you don't, P won't hurt you.

Myth #3...Preemo is weak

No. It's just PURE muscle. Pure muscle takes time to grow. Take away the bloat from other drugs (and the increase in blood volume from dball) and the amount of muscle is about the same, maybe more.

Myth #4...You have to stay on Preemo at least 12 weeks to see results

Not true. Again, this is because the gains are pure, you may not see big numbers on the scale for a while but it works as fast as any other drug.

Myth# 5..Preemo is not a bulking drug.

THE BIGGEST MYTH OF ALL!!! PREEMO IS A GREAT BULKING DRUG.

Here's why...

Preemo works in the way all steroids HOPE to work -- by increasing nitrogen without affecting the HPTA. As bodybuilders we all need more protein than we usuallly eat, but without enhancement, there's only so much the body will use. All steroids increase nitrogen retention but none as well as P. The more protein the better. And the results are solid muscle that lasts. So unless you're willing to eat tuna and sugar free protein shakes that means you should be eating A LOT MORE CALORIES. Yet, ironically, people don't take advantage of this factor. They eat LESS!. Bad move. Stuff your face with protein while on Primo and you'll get massive. The best gains I ever made was with Preemo and a high calorie diet which included the ingredients in BIG BLAST ( Mainly Plasma Protein and creatiine).

One last thing -- P is libido nuetral. It doesn't raise it or lower it. And it is very easy on the HPTA. HOWEVER, unlike other steroids, if you use ONLY P, your T level will actually be LOWER. For this reason you should always use P with some Test. But you don't need much -- about 250mgs. Just enough to get a little above normal/high levels.

That's it brothers. Sorry for any spelling mistakes. I'm a little distracted here. : )


I may make a couple of other posts, then I'm off to take care of business.

Stay strong!

Great post Nelson. Quite informative.

 

[crazyjoe]

So here I am in South Beach -- sun, beautiful women, non stop parties, and wouldn't you know it -- I can't stay away from this frickin' site! There's something very wrong with that.

Be that as it may I was perusing the threads and wanted to make a few points regarding some of the topics about my beloved Preemo.

So here are my...

FIVE Biggest Myths About PRIMOBOLAN!

Myth #1)... Preemo is a cutter drug

Sure, it's great as a cutter, but in reality, it's not much better than many other drugs. Right off the bat, let me say that the fat burning effects of steroids are overstated. They are growth drugs and work best as such. Most of the fat burning comes from the fact that muscle is more metabolically active, which in turn forces more fat to be used as energy. It's more of a "side effect" than a direct thermogenic action. In the case of Preemo, because it doesn't bloat, it gives a harder appearence which leads people to believe they're "leaner", but water is not fat and Preemo doesn't necessarily burn fat any better than, let's say, test. HOWEVER, Preemo has an anti estrogen effect so that too leads to less bloat and less fat storage. There's also the belief that Preemo works on a calorie restricted diet but I've seen no evidence that it does this any better than any other steroid. It's one of those things that have been parrotted from one guru to the next. This may sound like I'm knocking Preemo. Read on. You'll see why I think it's the best steroid you can use.

Myth#2) Preemo causes hair loss.

Not as bad as people think. Dball and test also cause hairloss. Remember, Preemo is NOT DHT, (like Proviron) it's a derivitive. So simply put, if you have a perpensity to hair loss, you're fucked anyway and if you don't, P won't hurt you.

Myth #3...Preemo is weak

No. It's just PURE muscle. Pure muscle takes time to grow. Take away the bloat from other drugs (and the increase in blood volume from dball) and the amount of muscle is about the same, maybe more.

Myth #4...You have to stay on Preemo at least 12 weeks to see results

Not true. Again, this is because the gains are pure, you may not see big numbers on the scale for a while but it works as fast as any other drug.

Myth# 5..Preemo is not a bulking drug.

THE BIGGEST MYTH OF ALL!!! PREEMO IS A GREAT BULKING DRUG.

Here's why...

Preemo works in the way all steroids HOPE to work -- by increasing nitrogen without affecting the HPTA. As bodybuilders we all need more protein than we usuallly eat, but without enhancement, there's only so much the body will use. All steroids increase nitrogen retention but none as well as P. The more protein the better. And the results are solid muscle that lasts. So unless you're willing to eat tuna and sugar free protein shakes that means you should be eating A LOT MORE CALORIES. Yet, ironically, people don't take advantage of this factor. They eat LESS!. Bad move. Stuff your face with protein while on Primo and you'll get massive. The best gains I ever made was with Preemo and a high calorie diet which included the ingredients in BIG BLAST ( Mainly Plasma Protein and creatiine).

One last thing -- P is libido nuetral. It doesn't raise it or lower it. And it is very easy on the HPTA. HOWEVER, unlike other steroids, if you use ONLY P, your T level will actually be LOWER. For this reason you should always use P with some Test. But you don't need much -- about 250mgs. Just enough to get a little above normal/high levels.

That's it brothers. Sorry for any spelling mistakes. I'm a little distracted here. : )


I may make a couple of other posts, then I'm off to take care of business.

Stay strong!

Good post.
So I've been stocking up for a future cycle and I was really wanting to try some PREEEMO as you call it. What do you think would be the best other compounds to mix it with and
what is a good dosage amount to use?

 

[perryscoon]

Great info here!

Can you talk a little bit about primo dosages? Mins and Max's for gains, etc.

 

[crazyjoe]

bump

 

[Nelson Montana]

I found Primo works best with either dball or test. In fact, after all these years, I believe Primo and test is all you really need and you won't find a better stack.

I like conservative dosages for slow, steady and permanent gains. 6-8 weeks cycles. 400 mgs of P and 250 of T per week will yield excellent gains with no sides if enough protein is ingested and training is on point. Natural PCT would be all you need though HCG (and a little adex to prevent the estro spike from it) may help as well.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I found Primo works best with either dball or test. In fact, after all these years, I believe Primo and test is all you really need and you won't find a better stack.

I like conservative dosages for slow, steady and permanent gains. 6-8 weeks cycles. 400 mgs of P and 250 of T per week will yield excellent gains with no sides if enough protein is ingested and training is on point. Natural PCT would be all you need though HCG (and a little adex to prevent the estro spike from it) may help as well.

Isn't 250mg of test too little? Why not 500mg and a solid PCT?

 

[swole]

Isn't 250mg of test too little? Why not 500mg and a solid PCT?

i'm putting on a solid amount of pure, lean mass on 300mg test enan and 500mg primo EW

i also eat 300g of protein daily, primo is no joke...simply put....it builds muscle in all the right places

i really don't see the need to use anything else but primo and test like nelson said

diet will dictate a bulk or cut

 

[the_alcatraz]

i'm putting on a solid amount of pure, lean mass on 300mg test enan and 500mg primo EW

i also eat 300g of protein daily, primo is no joke...simply put....it builds muscle in all the right places

i really don't see the need to use anything else but primo and test like nelson said

diet will dictate a bulk or cut

Would you consider substituting test enan with susta250?

i.e. How does 500mg susta250 and 500mg primo EW sound?

 

[swole]

Would you consider substituting test enan with susta250?

i.e. How does 500mg susta250 and 500mg primo EW sound?

i plan on running my primo for at least 16 weeks

if you want to run an 8-10 weeker, go for it

 

[Nelson Montana]

Isn't 250mg of test too little? Why not 500mg and a solid PCT?

Well, I'm of the belief that PCT will only do so much. It isn't like you can run as much gear for as long as you like and then just do MORE PCT. It just doesn't work like that -- not if you want to have a normally functional HPTA.

 

[crazyjoe]

I found Primo works best with either dball or test. In fact, after all these years, I believe Primo and test is all you really need and you won't find a better stack.

I like conservative dosages for slow, steady and permanent gains. 6-8 weeks cycles. 400 mgs of P and 250 of T per week will yield excellent gains with no sides if enough protein is ingested and training is on point. Natural PCT would be all you need though HCG (and a little adex to prevent the estro spike from it) may help as well.

For the Test, do you think Cyp would go good? I would assume you also use a deca in that cycle too,right?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I would assume you also use a deca in that cycle too,right?

Why would you assume that?

 

[buftup]

Good post. Thanks for the info

 

[crazyjoe]

Why would you assume that?

For a tissue rebuilder or..maybe I'm wrong and should go sit in the corner now....

 

[Harleymarleybone]

I always wanted to try Primo.

 

[Nelson Montana]

For a tissue rebuilder or..maybe I'm wrong and should go sit in the corner now....

All steroids build tissue bro. Why add something that is less effective and more supressive?

 

[crazyjoe]

All steroids build tissue bro. Why add something that is less effective and more supressive?

I can't see the monitor from the corner I'm sittng in now...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I can't see the monitor from the corner I'm sittng in now...

No problem bro.

 

[1999TL]

bump for great read.

 

[aquatic_glories]

yes a great one.


Nelson,

hair loss effects of Primobolan is thought to be lesser than test deratives because what is forms is much weaker than DHT. (it is DHB and it is said to be half as strong as DHT)

so based on this fact, even if a male is prone to hair loss 500 mg of primobolan will cause less hair loss than 500 mg of test right???

I am actually prone to hair loss but thanks to very strict anti-topical use and low dosage, i almost didnt lose any hair while on 500mg test. So this makes primobolan even better use right???

thanks

 

[aquatic_glories]

bump for nelson's answer

 

[Ross]

yes a great one.


Nelson,

hair loss effects of Primobolan is thought to be lesser than test deratives because what is forms is much weaker than DHT. (it is DHB and it is said to be half as strong as DHT)

so based on this fact, even if a male is prone to hair loss 500 mg of primobolan will cause less hair loss than 500 mg of test right???

I am actually prone to hair loss but thanks to very strict anti-topical use and low dosage, i almost didnt lose any hair while on 500mg test. So this makes primobolan even better use right???

thanks

Yes, Primobolan is actually derived from the less androgenic 5A-Reduced DHB(Dihydroboldenone), and is therefore LESS likely to cause hairloss.

 

[1999TL]

Yes, Primobolan is actually derived from the less androgenic 5A-Reduced DHB(Dihydroboldenone), and is therefore LESS likely to cause hairloss.

Glad I dont have to worry about hairloss, just damn acne.

 

[juggy54]

Nelson....how would you compare primo to EQ in terms of strength/muscle mass gains? I am a EQ fiend but would like to experiment with other compounds.

 

[aquatic_glories]

Yes, Primobolan is actually derived from the less androgenic 5A-Reduced DHB(Dihydroboldenone), and is therefore LESS likely to cause hairloss.

thanks

Ross, how do you like the use of primo?? do you like it as a base, a helper , a finisher??? I am asking it except the bridging?? I know you dislike crazy doses which i believe is correct. Also what should be the dosing??


Thanks

 

[Ross]

thanks

Ross, how do you like the use of primo?? do you like it as a base, a helper , a finisher??? I am asking it except the bridging?? I know you dislike crazy doses which i believe is correct. Also what should be the dosing??


Thanks

Primobolan is...AWESOME!

It appears you have researched some of my work, which is great. I would suggest using Primo as a "Helper", also known as the secondary anabolic, alongside a low dosage of Testosterone. I would use 400mgs per week.

 

[galaxy]

Fuck primo. Best gains I ever made was on test. And Im pretty sure the muscle was solid, not sure how primo muscle is any more solid?

 

[Ross]

Fuck primo. Best gains I ever made was on test. And Im pretty sure the muscle was solid, not sure how primo muscle is any more solid?

Who said THAT?

 

[galaxy]

Just the first post in the thread said primo was solid muscle that lasts. Which I dont doubt but its no different than muscle gained on test as far as Im concerned.

 

[Ross]

Just the first post in the thread said primo was solid muscle that lasts. Which I dont doubt but its no different than muscle gained on test as far as Im concerned.

Muscle is muscle.

 

[RachelEFC]

great post Nelson, this should be a sticky

almost done with week 3, can't wait to see what i look like after week 12

12 weeks
300mg test E
700mg Preemo
derma throughout

I like how you look right now, can't wait to see you after 12 weeks either

 

[AAP]

Here is the deal on primo.

Yes, it is a great steroid. But ONLY when used for what it is intended for. Dieting down. It is smooth and it is clean.

However... when you are bulking and incorporating primo, you are flat out wasting your money and could be better used purchasing EQ or deca.

Notice I said "when bulking".

If you are trying to grow and eating clean and not just adding fat in order to see the numbers on the scale go up, you will see some benefit. If you are dieting or already in the single digit BF range like myself, you will see a LOT of benefit from Primo. However, 90% of trainees aren't and will never reach that level of conditioning because of their permanent bulking phase. You know who you are. So therefore primo is just a waste on them. There are a lot better compounds to grow with. But there are few better ones to cut and shred with.

 

[galaxy]

Muscle is muscle.

I just notice the thread starter is guilty of using terms that he chastises in other threads, like "how everyone sucks" and "the terms he doesnt want to see used ever again". Just kind of hypocritical to see him throwing them around.

Really no big deal, just saying. Sometimes theres no way around these terms .

 

[AAP]

Just remember, AAS is supplement to training and diet and well... primo is a supplement to test.

 

[OMEGA]

AAP I deleted my post till am SURE lol

2-3 more weeks will tell \


But am leaning towards your opinion

 

[the elite addict]

very well put.

Here is the deal on primo.

Yes, it is a great steroid. But ONLY when used for what it is intended for. Dieting down. It is smooth and it is clean.

However... when you are bulking and incorporating primo, you are flat out wasting your money and could be better used purchasing EQ or deca.

Notice I said "when bulking".

If you are trying to grow and eating clean and not just adding fat in order to see the numbers on the scale go up, you will see some benefit. If you are dieting or already in the single digit BF range like myself, you will see a LOT of benefit from Primo. However, 90% of trainees aren't and will never reach that level of conditioning because of their permanent bulking phase. You know who you are. So therefore primo is just a waste on them. There are a lot better compounds to grow with. But there are few better ones to cut and shred with.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I just notice the thread starter is guilty of using terms that he chastises in other threads, like "how everyone sucks" and "the terms he doesnt want to see used ever again". Just kind of hypocritical to see him throwing them around.

Really no big deal, just saying. Sometimes theres no way around these terms .

Lighten up bro. They're figures of speech.

The two posts you say are hypocritical (?) have gotten thousands of hits so obviously many people are interested. Don't like 'em? Stay off 'em.

 

[michaelpayne]

Myth#2) Preemo causes hair loss.

Not as bad as people think. Dball and test also cause hairloss. Remember, Preemo is NOT DHT, (like Proviron) it's a derivitive. So simply put, if you have a perpensity to hair loss, you're fucked anyway and if you don't, P won't hurt you.

!

What about using topical spiro during a primo cycle? Has anyone tried this?

I would assume propecia to be useless in this case, but would regular users have to stop taking it?

Cheers,

MP

 

[aquatic_glories]

What about using topical spiro during a primo cycle? Has anyone tried this?

I would assume propecia to be useless in this case, but would regular users have to stop taking it?

Cheers,

MP

well i used Ketoral on 500 test enanthate and lost minimal hair while having MPB. In that case 500 primo should be better because DHB is weaker than DHT.

never use propecia while on primo,test,deca etc... if you block 5a reductase, primo wont create DHB because there is no 5a to do it .

 

[centy]

Hmmm. I'm intrigued by teh preemo.

Considering it for my 3rd cycle.

Perhaps:
1-14 Primo 500mg
1-14 Test 300mg
1-4 Dbol 40mg

Or would I be better off just doing test @ 500-750?

Don't know what to think.

 

[swole]

Here is the deal on primo.

Yes, it is a great steroid. But ONLY when used for what it is intended for. Dieting down. It is smooth and it is clean.

However... when you are bulking and incorporating primo, you are flat out wasting your money and could be better used purchasing EQ or deca.

Notice I said "when bulking".

If you are trying to grow and eating clean and not just adding fat in order to see the numbers on the scale go up, you will see some benefit. If you are dieting or already in the single digit BF range like myself, you will see a LOT of benefit from Primo. However, 90% of trainees aren't and will never reach that level of conditioning because of their permanent bulking phase. You know who you are. So therefore primo is just a waste on them. There are a lot better compounds to grow with. But there are few better ones to cut and shred with.

i love this post

btw i hope people keep misunderstanding primo so there's more for me.

 

[Ross]

Lighten up bro. They're figures of speech.

The two posts you say are hypocritical (?) have gotten thousands of hits so obviously many people are interested. Don't like 'em? Stay off 'em.

Thousands of hits thanks to YOURS TRULY my man.

 

[Ross]

Here is the deal on primo.

Yes, it is a great steroid. But ONLY when used for what it is intended for. Dieting down. It is smooth and it is clean.

However... when you are bulking and incorporating primo, you are flat out wasting your money and could be better used purchasing EQ or deca.

Notice I said "when bulking".

If you are trying to grow and eating clean and not just adding fat in order to see the numbers on the scale go up, you will see some benefit. If you are dieting or already in the single digit BF range like myself, you will see a LOT of benefit from Primo. However, 90% of trainees aren't and will never reach that level of conditioning because of their permanent bulking phase. You know who you are. So therefore primo is just a waste on them. There are a lot better compounds to grow with. But there are few better ones to cut and shred with.

True, but NOT true.

While I do agree that Primobolan(like Injectable Winstrol) is best suited for CUTTING, I must say that I love to BULK on Primobolan(and injectable Winstrol), primarily because I do NOT use Deca. Primobolan is actually MORE ANABOLIC THAN TESTOSTERONE! I Actually gain more MASS on 600mgs of Primobolan than I do on 600mgs of EQ....

SO, I would have to say that Primobolan is GREAT for both BULKING and CUTTING.

Cutting dosage = 200-400mgs
Bulking dosage = 400-600mgs

 

[michaelChicago]

True, but NOT true.

While I do agree that Primobolan(like Injectable Winstrol) is best suited for CUTTING, I must say that I love to BULK on Primobolan(and injectable Winstrol), primarily because I do NOT use Deca. Primobolan is actually MORE ANABOLIC THAN TESTOSTERONE! I Actually gain more MASS on 600mgs of Primobolan than I do on 600mgs of EQ....

SO, I would have to say that Primobolan is GREAT for both BULKING and CUTTING.

Cutting dosage = 200-400mgs
Bulking dosage = 400-600mgs

how many weeks ?

1-10 : 400 mg ?

thanks

 

[Ross]

how many weeks ?

1-10 : 400 mg ?

thanks

8-12 weeks is perfect.

 

[swole]

i don't think 12 weeks is enough for primo i'm sorry, nevermind 8

if you notice results in 8 weeks then it's probably not primo.

16 minimum, and you can get away with 300

like aap said you need to be relatively lean and eating clean to maximize the benefits of a "clean" cycle

not everyone cycles to put on as much mass as possible, who wants to blow up

if you're looking to add 15-20 pounds of anything, it's NOT FOR YOU

if you're lean and want to monitor your development (aka have patience - it's FOR YOU)

 

[Latamier]

All I can say bro is AWESOME! This is probably one of the best and easiest to understand threads on primo, which is the ultimate steroid out there, that I have read in a long time. I have had alot of PMs lately on primo and I think I will just start referring everybody to your thread. You should definately have this made into a stickey. Good Job, Nelson.

 

[hardrock]

Great post Nelson!

I miss Primo. haven't used it in years and it's too damn expensive these days.

 

[1999TL]

i don't think 12 weeks is enough for primo i'm sorry, nevermind 8

if you notice results in 8 weeks then it's probably not primo.

16 minimum, and you can get away with 300

like aap said you need to be relatively lean and eating clean to maximize the benefits of a "clean" cycle

not everyone cycles to put on as much mass as possible, who wants to blow up

if you're looking to add 15-20 pounds of anything, it's NOT FOR YOU

if you're lean and want to monitor your development (aka have patience - it's FOR YOU)

This post sort of contradicts what Nelson says. You will get results in 8 weeks is what he says.

 

[Ross]

This post sort of contradicts what Nelson says. You will get results in 8 weeks is what he says.

Yes, Methenolone Enanthate(Primobolan Depot) is used optimally for 8-12 weeks.

 

[michaelChicago]

ok good

1-12 with primo 300-400 mg and 250 mg susta

thanks

 

[sparetire]

I absolutely agree with Nelson on this one. I ran primo low dose with 100mgs of test prop each week and I gained just as much as I usually do on an eq 500 cycle. I was lean during the cycle, but I did have bloat - but it was minute compaired to every other steroid that I ran. It's easy on the hpta as Nelson stated and yes, you can eat a lot of calories and grow! great stuff ..

 

[AAP]

Primobolan is actually MORE ANABOLIC THAN TESTOSTERONE!

Wrong and a common misconception.

The very androgenic properties of test will gurantee that it brings along more anabolic properties than primo.

If you are simply comparing androgenic to anabolic ratios (which is basically on paper), primo does have a higher anabolic to androgenic ratio than test does. But only because primo isn't very androgenic in the first place. But that does not mean it is more anabolic overall because you can rest assured the androgenic properties of test will whallop you with anabolic effects.

 

[Burpees]

Bump..

How does 750mg of Test E, 600mg of Primo, and 300mg of Deca weekly sound?

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Bump..

How does 750mg of Test E, 600mg of Primo, and 300mg of Deca weekly sound?

Sounds like you will need a 20cc syringe for all of that.

That is WAY too much gear in my opinion.

 

[OneBreath]

Based on info from here, chocolate_thunder, and swole, I'm thinking 375mg Test E and 400mg Primo per week for 15 weeks.

Kicking it off with 30mg dbol ED for first 3 weeks.

My biggest fear will be that the primo is underdosed or faked. If by week 8 i feel this is the case i'll run Tren A 50mg EOD for weeks 8 - 13.

I've had some incredible results at that tren dose this time around so it will be a fine fallback.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Based on info from here, chocolate_thunder, and swole, I'm thinking 375mg Test E and 400mg Primo per week for 15 weeks.

Kicking it off with 30mg dbol ED for first 3 weeks.

My biggest fear will be that the primo is underdosed or faked. If by week 8 i feel this is the case i'll run Tren A 50mg EOD for weeks 8 - 13.

I've had some incredible results at that tren dose this time around so it will be a fine fallback.

Good luck. Looks solid.

 

[centy]

Based on info from here, chocolate_thunder, and swole, I'm thinking 375mg Test E and 400mg Primo per week for 15 weeks.

Kicking it off with 30mg dbol ED for first 3 weeks.

My biggest fear will be that the primo is underdosed or faked. If by week 8 i feel this is the case i'll run Tren A 50mg EOD for weeks 8 - 13.

I've had some incredible results at that tren dose this time around so it will be a fine fallback.

Wow. I'm planning about the exact same thing for my next cycle. Only going 14 weeks tho.

I'm also worried about the primo. I guess I would know after a few weeks, huh? Guess we shall see.

 

[dcp]

can someone pm me so I can get some advice about schering primo?

 

[centy]

can someone pm me so I can get some advice about schering primo?

What kind of advice are you lookin for? If it isn't a source you need, the info might be helpful to others around here.

 

[Barch]

Thinking about going with 250mg/week of Prop along with 300mg/week of Primo... maybe a little some Var or Tbol to boot. Still not sure about the length yet. I'm leaning toward a shorter cycle, maybe 6-8 weeks. What kind of PCT would be the call here?

 

[Barch]

"250mg/week of testosterone propionate along with 300mg/week of Primobolan - methenolone - ... maybe a little some Anavar - oxandrolone - or Turanabol to boot. Still not sure about the length yet. I'm leaning toward a shorter cycle, maybe 6-8 weeks. What kind of PCT - post cycle therapy - would be the call here?"


Bump for some vets... Would I need HCG with the above cycle? The rest of PCT would likely involve Clomid and/or Nolva, Sustain, Post Cycle, Unleashed, etc. Suggestions for PCT from some Primo users and abusers?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Bump for some vets... Would I need HCG with the above cycle? The rest of PCT would likely involve Clomid and/or Nolva, Sustain, Post Cycle, Unleashed, etc. Suggestions for PCT from some Primo users and abusers?

Absolutely no need for Nolva when doing Primo.

 

[Barch]

Absolutely no need for Nolva when doing Primo.

Nelson,

Welcome back! So, what do you think would be an optimal PCT for the cycle?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson,

Welcome back! So, what do you think would be an optimal PCT for the cycle?

Standard PCT. A little HCG or HMG to get going. UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and some Sustain afterward. A touch of a-dex-- 1/4 EOD.

That takes care of the HPTS . You can then of course, add some VIGOR and BIG BLAST to maintain pump and size. And using ZIP and Lipoflame before workouts will restore the strength and energy.

 

[letsrun4it]

If I could ever find a source that had primo at a reasonable price that didn't get siezed all the time I'd have it as part of every cycle.

Primo rules and yea it's a badass bulker. It's as good as dbol in terms of PURE muscle gains.

 

[Barch]

Standard PCT. A little HCG or HMG to get going. UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and some Sustain afterward. A touch of a-dex-- 1/4 EOD.

That takes care of the HPTS . You can then of course, add some VIGOR and BIG BLAST to maintain pump and size. And using ZIP and Lipoflame before workouts will restore the strength and energy.

Would the Adex be during cycle, or for PCT? Also, what do you think of the doses I'll be running? Will the 300mg be enough Primo?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Would the Adex be during cycle, or for PCT? Also, what do you think of the doses I'll be running? Will the 300mg be enough Primo?

At those doses you shouldn;t need adex during the cycle. Keep it on hand though.

The doses are modest but you can gain from them for sure.

 

[needtogetaas]

So here I am in South Beach -- sun, beautiful women, non stop parties, and wouldn't you know it -- I can't stay away from this frickin' site! There's something very wrong with that.

Be that as it may I was perusing the threads and wanted to make a few points regarding some of the topics about my beloved Preemo.

So here are my...

FIVE Biggest Myths About PRIMOBOLAN!

Myth #1)... Preemo is a cutter drug

Sure, it's great as a cutter, but in reality, it's not much better than many other drugs. Right off the bat, let me say that the fat burning effects of steroids are overstated. They are growth drugs and work best as such. Most of the fat burning comes from the fact that muscle is more metabolically active, which in turn forces more fat to be used as energy. It's more of a "side effect" than a direct thermogenic action. In the case of Preemo, because it doesn't bloat, it gives a harder appearence which leads people to believe they're "leaner", but water is not fat and Preemo doesn't necessarily burn fat any better than, let's say, test. HOWEVER, Preemo has an anti estrogen effect so that too leads to less bloat and less fat storage. There's also the belief that Preemo works on a calorie restricted diet but I've seen no evidence that it does this any better than any other steroid. It's one of those things that have been parrotted from one guru to the next. This may sound like I'm knocking Preemo. Read on. You'll see why I think it's the best steroid you can use.

Myth#2) Preemo causes hair loss.

Not as bad as people think. Dball and test also cause hairloss. Remember, Preemo is NOT DHT, (like Proviron) it's a derivitive. So simply put, if you have a perpensity to hair loss, you're fucked anyway and if you don't, P won't hurt you.

Myth #3...Preemo is weak

No. It's just PURE muscle. Pure muscle takes time to grow. Take away the bloat from other drugs (and the increase in blood volume from dball) and the amount of muscle is about the same, maybe more.

Myth #4...You have to stay on Preemo at least 12 weeks to see results

Not true. Again, this is because the gains are pure, you may not see big numbers on the scale for a while but it works as fast as any other drug.

Myth# 5..Preemo is not a bulking drug.

THE BIGGEST MYTH OF ALL!!! PREEMO IS A GREAT BULKING DRUG.

Here's why...

Preemo works in the way all steroids HOPE to work -- by increasing nitrogen without affecting the HPTA. As bodybuilders we all need more protein than we usuallly eat, but without enhancement, there's only so much the body will use. All steroids increase nitrogen retention but none as well as P. The more protein the better. And the results are solid muscle that lasts. So unless you're willing to eat tuna and sugar free protein shakes that means you should be eating A LOT MORE CALORIES. Yet, ironically, people don't take advantage of this factor. They eat LESS!. Bad move. Stuff your face with protein while on Primo and you'll get massive. The best gains I ever made was with Preemo and a high calorie diet which included the ingredients in BIG BLAST ( Mainly Plasma Protein and creatiine).

One last thing -- P is libido nuetral. It doesn't raise it or lower it. And it is very easy on the HPTA. HOWEVER, unlike other steroids, if you use ONLY P, your T level will actually be LOWER. For this reason you should always use P with some Test. But you don't need much -- about 250mgs. Just enough to get a little above normal/high levels.

That's it brothers. Sorry for any spelling mistakes. I'm a little distracted here. : )


I may make a couple of other posts, then I'm off to take care of business.

Stay strong!

I am on my 5th week of primo. One thing I have noticed above all. I can see more veins then ever. My chest and arms or full of think big blue veins and I love it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am on my 5th week of primo. One thing I have noticed above all. I can see more veins then ever. My chest and arms or full of think big blue veins and I love it.

Yeah, not sure why with Primo. Maybe the increase of carb metabolism along with lack of water retention.

 

[needtogetaas]

Yeah, not sure why with Primo. Maybe the increase of carb metabolism along with lack of water retention.

Well I am doing a test/mast/primo/mosterdrol cycle. So it it could be the synergy of it all.

 

[79steeler]

I'm getting ready to add Mast. into my sustonan and primo cycle also Needto. What's the Mosterdrol doing for ya?

 

[kidd73]

Come on guys, you're torturing me talking up your primo/test cycles. I'm so ready to start mine I can't fargin' stand it

Make sure to keep me posted.

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm getting ready to add Mast. into my sustonan and primo cycle also Needto. What's the Mosterdrol doing for ya?

Sick strength gains bro.

 

[soupeater]

so whats the 2010 opinion for a primo/test conservative stack?

3-400 primo EW and 250 test (sustanon or..)

if one was to do a 3 weeker like NM suggests in his books what kind of PCT would be needed if any? would proviron be a good idea to supplement the stack and free up some more T? for a 3 week cycle would an oral kickstart of var be good or not needed?

TIA for replies. looking for a nice conservative stack that can be repeated several times with minimal sides (and minimal PCT if possible) for lean gains.

 

[GrownUp]

Hey, granted I didn't read the first 9 pages of this thread but 3 weeks sounds like a really short Primo cycle, I didn't see anything until around the 6th week or so and even at that it wasn't until the 10th week when I really noticed its super hardening effects, I wouldn't waste Primo like that, only if I have enough for at least a 12-16 weeks cycle or I'm certain I can get it when I need it, would I start a Primo cycle and yes, I throw Proviron in everything, including my soup at least 100mg ED it covers all the angles for me, just my opinion, obviously...

 

[Nelson Montana]

so whats the 2010 opinion for a primo/test conservative stack?

3-400 primo EW and 250 test (sustanon or..)

if one was to do a 3 weeker like NM suggests in his books what kind of PCT would be needed if any? would proviron be a good idea to supplement the stack and free up some more T? for a 3 week cycle would an oral kickstart of var be good or not needed?

TIA for replies. looking for a nice conservative stack that can be repeated several times with minimal sides (and minimal PCT if possible) for lean gains.

The short cycle approach is meant to be an adjunct to natural training. PCT wouldn't be necessary and suppression would be minimal. I do believe I was being a bit too conservative -- not that it wouldn't work, but I realize most people want more out of their cycles. But I come from the days where cycles ran no longer than 6 weeks. Maybe that's why so many guys avoided problems down the road. These days with the supps available, I'm starting to think that mild , short cycles along with good PCT and the proper supps, you can make outstanding , safe gains.

 

[soupeater]

Thanks for the replies.

Nelson can you give us an example of what a 'mild short cycle along with good PCT' would be for outstanding safe gains?

Personally looking for keepable, lean mass gains ala 'Steroids for Health' type way of usage.

It seems like available products, in my case, are Sustenon 250, Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Proviron, HCG, Clomid, Nolva, Deca, DBol, and Winnie amongst others. I really like your ideas on 'safe' usage and value your input.

Have a good one guys!

 

[Ross]

Thanks for the replies.

Nelson can you give us an example of what a 'mild short cycle along with good PCT' would be for outstanding safe gains?

Personally looking for keepable, lean mass gains ala 'Steroids for Health' type way of usage.

It seems like available products, in my case, are Sustenon 250, Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Proviron, HCG, Clomid, Nolva, Deca, DBol, and Winnie amongst others. I really like your ideas on 'safe' usage and value your input.

Have a good one guys!

Primobolan can not be successfully incorporated in to a short cycle, due to the Enanthate ester. Anything less than 8-10 weeks is a waste of the steroid.

I would suggest:

Weeks 1-6: Dinabol or Anavar, 30mg ED
Weeks 1-10: Sustanon, 250mg
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mg

 

[joe d]

Primobolan can not be successfully incorporated in to a short cycle, due to the Enanthate ester. Anything less than 8-10 weeks is a waste of the steroid.

I would suggest:

Weeks 1-6: Dinabol or Anavar, 30mg ED
Weeks 1-10: Sustanon, 250mg
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mg

why is that. any sterod with an e ester can be used effectively in a short cycle. ive ran 4 weeks of test e and got the same 4 weeks worth of results as i did with 4 weeks of prop. only difference was the time i saw the results.

 

[soupeater]

Thanks for the input Ross. That looks like a great cycle. Would you classify it as a bulking cycle or a lean mass cycle? Would the oral kickstart just get things going and the low dose of Sustanon just balance out the Primo for the rest of the lean mass cycle? In your opinion anything less than 8 weeks would not work with Primo right?

Any more on the usefullness or waste of an e ester in a short cycle? Particularly Primo D?

Maybe I should start a new thread on short cycles.... But any more ideas or links to good threads on which gear to be used for conservative short cycles?

Nelson, any more input on short Primo cycles...

Thanks to all