Post Cycle pics....Finally

[Mac173]

I'm 6 wks out from my first cycle. It was 500mg/ew Test E for 10wks and 40mg ed dbol for first 4. Started at 173 and finished at 203. Time of pics I was 187. Stats are 5'11" and 25yrs old and have been lifting seriously for 4yrs. Bf, I'm guessing 14 or 15%. Sorry no leg pics, they are still a work in progress.Squat did go up over 100lbs and is holding steady at 365 right now. Give me honest opinions( I'm sure you all will) and flaming is definetely allowed, and yes I do mean is.

 

[immortalis]

I'm 6 wks out from my first cycle. It was 500mg/ew Test E for 10wks and 40mg ed dbol for first 4. Started at 173 and finished at 203. Time of pics I was 187. Stats are 5'11" and 25yrs old and have been lifting seriously for 4yrs. Bf, I'm guessing 14 or 15%. Sorry no leg pics, they are still a work in progress.Squat did go up over 100lbs and is holding steady at 365 right now. Give me honest opinions( I'm sure you all will) and flaming is definetely allowed, and yes I do mean is.

No flaming here. Congratulations. I would have liked for you to keep a little more mass... coming down from 203 to 187 is a good drop off... but overall not too bad bro. *golf clap*

 

[acneman]

nice back
lookin good

 

[Mac173]

I was at 200 until 4wks out and then I started to cut the cals. I cut up real fast but also gain real slow. I think I gained a little too much in the midsection and wanted to trim up a little for my next one. I think I'll try to keep gains a little more lean and steady next time.

 

[Mac173]

Sorry about how big the pics are. It even annoys me looking at them.

 

[Selene]

it look like you had successful cycle mon cheri, this is very good, continue your hard work it is good feeling yes?

 

[Mac173]

it look like you had successful cycle mon cheri, this is very good, continue your hard work it is good feeling yes?

Yes it was and still is. I have to ask you do you always talk in that fashion? You sound like an old wiseman when you do it.

 

[GymIntensity]

damit I hope you are less than 15% BF. If you are 15% then I feel like a fatass anyways bro, lookin good. I would guess 12% ??? maybe my guess is off but you are doin well.

 

[immortalis]

damit I hope you are less than 15% BF. If you are 15% then I feel like a fatass anyways bro, lookin good. I would guess 12% ??? maybe my guess is off but you are doin well.

he looks around 12%. Im somewhere between 10-12% right now. I was 9% in my avatar.

 

[KayKo]

Damn bro lookin good. Yeah if you are at 15% bf then I prefer not to know what I'm at even while doing a bulker. Keep up the great work!!

 

[Ozz2001]

Your rolling on the right track..But you need another good 6 months of training..Total key to looking big is working every muscle evenly! Good luck and hope to see some progress on the next post.

 

[mikefear]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[frankmasterpiece]

good job bro...i will say he is 12 /13 % b/f....

 

[justinjones1963]

good job!

 

[iHulk]

good start. Packin some nice density

 

[HD1]

Good job keep up the good work .

 

[Mac173]

where's da pics?

There up there as soon as you open the page. Can't miss em.

 

[Mac173]

damit I hope you are less than 15% BF. If you are 15% then I feel like a fatass anyways bro, lookin good. I would guess 12% ??? maybe my guess is off but you are doin well.

You might be right. I just think I should look more cut if I was 12%. It's probably jsut me though.

 

[silver_shadow]

you say you've been training seriously for 4 yrs - but you started this cycle at 173 and you're now at 200. what's the deal? not trying to be a dick, but i'd call that real slow progress and my concern would be how are you going to hang on to that while you're off - given that you haven't made some huge gains prior. just something to think about - that you might want to give your diet/training a serious thought.

 

[Mac173]

you say you've been training seriously for 4 yrs - but you started this cycle at 173 and you're now at 200. what's the deal? not trying to be a dick, but i'd call that real slow progress and my concern would be how are you going to hang on to that while you're off - given that you haven't made some huge gains prior. just something to think about - that you might want to give your diet/training a serious thought.

When I first started lifting I weighed about 150 and w/in 3 yrs had gotten up to 183. Decided to try and cut back down and went a little too far all the way down to 145. Got a little too tied up in getting cut and sacrificied alot of size. That was 2 yrs ago and was back up to 173 and pretty lean before cycle probably the 10% area. Bulked up to 203 and added probably about 4%BF. Now trying to get down to around 9% (which would be about 3% loss according to most peoples judge of my BF)

 

[silver_shadow]

150 to 183 (33lbs) in 3 yrs = 11lbs a yr! were you on cycle then? i don't see why it should take someone training seriously that long, even natty. at that weight it should have been at least 30lbs in your first yr. again not trying to be a dick, but that's something to seriously consider if this is the case.

 

[maccer]

silver_shadow, you are talking BS, 30lbs in a year clean????for some maybe but not all, from the looks of your avi you are big but FAT - no point gaining 30lbs in a year with 20lbs being FAT. The guy has gained 33Lbs in 4 years and not got fat that deserves respect.

Some people have smaller frames and 10lbs for one person can be the same as 20 on another

 

[solidspine]

Looks good, time for another cycle.

 

[mesco]

so youre really not macgyver lol all kidding aside, good job!

 

[medical]

Looks good but pecs seem small. Could just be the poses though.

 

[silver_shadow]

silver_shadow, you are talking BS, 30lbs in a year clean????for some maybe but not all, from the looks of your avi you are big but FAT - no point gaining 30lbs in a year with 20lbs being FAT. The guy has gained 33Lbs in 4 years and not got fat that deserves respect.

Some people have smaller frames and 10lbs for one person can be the same as 20 on another

no you are talking BS - BTW i gained 40lbs in a yr 190 to 230 while dropping BF (20 to 15), CLEAN & NOT AT A LOW (NEWBIE) STARTING WEIGHT - i'm also 5'10" - not the largest frame, with slightly ecto shitty indian genetics (how many indian bodybuilders/athletes have you seen) ... that avi is a little old (and a got little distorted when i resized making me look a little wider, i'm not going to resize it again to prove anything to guys like you) ... i've leaned up slightly since then and will probably lean up some more before i go on a cutting cycle maybe after december. i'm not saying everyone can gain exactly like that, but it's mostly possible - for someone who's been around on these boards since 02 you should know better than that. sure, i'm fat, so what - you bulk while gaining fat, then you lose it... very old trick. he started out at 150 (as a NEWBIE)(so 30lbs in that first yr with a little fat (admittedly) should have been possible clean too unless there's something seriously wrong with him. getting FAT is the only way to get big - there's no such thing as muscle gain without fat gain. BTW he did mention that at 183 he was fat (at least he needed to cut in his eyes) - so it wasn't like 33 lbs in 3 yrs (some of which were newbie gains may i remind you) was fat free.

i'm not even going to bother asking to see your pics - i don't care what you look like, and i'm not interested in getting into a pissing match with you.

all i'm saying srf, and i'll say it again, you do need to re evaluate. how old are you? remember now that you're 200, you need to start eating much more to maintain, let alone bulk up some more from here.

 

[medical]

I don't believe it is physiologically possible to gain 30 lbs of lean muscle in a year for 90% of people.

 

[silver_shadow]

I don't believe it is physiologically possible to gain 30 lbs of lean muscle in a year for 90% of people.

when did i say lean muscle?! i don't think srf gained 33lbs of lean muscle in his first 3 yrs. if he did then i stand corrected.

 

[medical]

when did i say lean muscle?! i don't think srf gained 33lbs of lean muscle in his first 3 yrs. if he did then i stand corrected.

you didn't say lean muscle but it appears that was HIS goal.

 

[cboogsrun]

silver_shadow, you are talking BS, 30lbs in a year clean????for some maybe but not all, from the looks of your avi you are big but FAT - no point gaining 30lbs in a year with 20lbs being FAT. The guy has gained 33Lbs in 4 years and not got fat that deserves respect.

Some people have smaller frames and 10lbs for one person can be the same as 20 on another

agreed. 10lbs a year is very normal and for most is a really good year. I've never met anyone who's put on 30lbs in a year with out aas. Especially considering he's fairly lean.

 

[silver_shadow]

you didn't say lean muscle but it appears that was HIS goal.

let me clarify - he said that he got to 183 in 3yrs and felt he needed to cut after that. from that i assume that he didn't succeed at that point in gaining lean muscle. if he did then power to him. what i'm saying is that if he didn't gain lean muscle then something was wrong - maybe something is still wrong now and he remedied that with AAS... let's face it, on AAS, your body is a little more forgiving of less than ideal eating/training. so when you go off, unless you're doing something right there is a chance of losing too much of the gains. that is my concern - i don't know whether he will eat/train right to achieve that... again if he does that's great, i'd just caution against complacency - complacency that you have your diet down to a tee. i know, no matter how many years i have behind me, i'm still always learning how to be more efficient.

 

[silver_shadow]

agreed. 10lbs a year is very normal and for most is a really good year. I've never met anyone who's put on 30lbs in a year with out aas. Especially considering he's fairly lean.

i'm getting tired typing these replies - 10lbs in your FIRST yr - think again.
how much did you gain in your newbie year. 30lbs is very common in your NEWBIE year. 10lbs a year is great when you're at an advanced stage which he wasn't.

 

[fbodyguy02]

As long as your happy with the results, nothing else matters. Props to you for posting your pics.

 

[Neo22]

I think you need to stop training the obliques and focus more on your back. You are starting to have the hourglass shape. I do also agree that your diet and training need more emphasis. Lets see the leg shots, you squat 365 so you should have GOOD leg development. Nothing to hide right?

 

[AAP]

Take off your shorts next time.

That said, it is always great when people post pics to back their results up. I like the fact you made sure your gains were lean muscle and not a bunch water weight on the scale. Great job.

 

[maccer]

no you are talking BS - BTW i gained 40lbs in a yr 190 to 230 while dropping BF (20 to 15), CLEAN & NOT AT A LOW (NEWBIE) STARTING WEIGHT - i'm also 5'10" - not the largest frame, with slightly ecto shitty indian genetics (how many indian bodybuilders/athletes have you seen) ... that avi is a little old (and a got little distorted when i resized making me look a little wider, i'm not going to resize it again to prove anything to guys like you) ... i've leaned up slightly since then and will probably lean up some more before i go on a cutting cycle maybe after december. i'm not saying everyone can gain exactly like that, but it's mostly possible - for someone who's been around on these boards since 02 you should know better than that. sure, i'm fat, so what - you bulk while gaining fat, then you lose it... very old trick. he started out at 150 (as a NEWBIE)(so 30lbs in that first yr with a little fat (admittedly) should have been possible clean too unless there's something seriously wrong with him. getting FAT is the only way to get big - there's no such thing as muscle gain without fat gain. BTW he did mention that at 183 he was fat (at least he needed to cut in his eyes) - so it wasn't like 33 lbs in 3 yrs (some of which were newbie gains may i remind you) was fat free.

i'm not even going to bother asking to see your pics - i don't care what you look like, and i'm not interested in getting into a pissing match with you.

all i'm saying srf, and i'll say it again, you do need to re evaluate. how old are you? remember now that you're 200, you need to start eating much more to maintain, let alone bulk up some more from here.

The muscle gained is all that matters not the fat!! I think thats obvious mate!!

 

[silver_shadow]

The muscle gained is all that matters not the fat!! I think thats obvious mate!!

how the hell are you going to gain muscle without fat even on AAS

 

[thezan]

Nice arms bro!! great work

 

[silver_shadow]

The muscle gained is all that matters not the fat!! I think thats obvious mate!!

hmmm... are these your posts:
http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showpost.php?p=661647&postcount=64

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6365440&postcount=3

 

[Mac173]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

 

[Mac173]

I think you need to stop training the obliques and focus more on your back. You are starting to have the hourglass shape. I do also agree that your diet and training need more emphasis. Lets see the leg shots, you squat 365 so you should have GOOD leg development. Nothing to hide right?

The thing is that I nver do obliques or abs. When I first started lifting I would train them but they always seem to get bulky, never cut so I stopped doing them. Haven't done anything for my abs or obliques in 3 yrs. Legs are alright but still out of proportion. Off to the gym to go train them right now.

 

[Mac173]

150 to 183 (33lbs) in 3 yrs = 11lbs a yr! were you on cycle then? i don't see why it should take someone training seriously that long, even natty. at that weight it should have been at least 30lbs in your first yr. again not trying to be a dick, but that's something to seriously consider if this is the case.

I think 30lbs for me is next to impossible without half being fat. I'll admit that I probably could have gained more weight than I did if I would have been a little more knowledgable about diet. At the time I was doing the best that I could with what I knew. I was still reading magazines and Arnolds book. Everything was so new to me at the time and there was a lot of trial and error. My knowledge has grown by leaps and bounds just since joining this site this summer.

 

[Neo22]

The thing is that I nver do obliques or abs. When I first started lifting I would train them but they always seem to get bulky, never cut so I stopped doing them. Haven't done anything for my abs or obliques in 3 yrs. Legs are alright but still out of proportion. Off to the gym to go train them right now.

Well i somewhat have the same problem. My obliques are huge and I NEVER work them out. Fucking sucks!

 

[Bruce]

you look really good bro. cut down a bit. nothing wrong with starting at the weight you were at but you should have diet dialed in a bit more. great work.

 

[Mac173]

Well i somewhat have the same problem. My obliques are huge and I NEVER work them out. Fucking sucks!

Have you done anything to try and tighten em up. I don't know what to do about them. I think I would have a much better taper if I could get rid of em.

 

[Mac173]

you look really good bro. cut down a bit. nothing wrong with starting at the weight you were at but you should have diet dialed in a bit more. great work.

Thanks Bruce. My diet has defiitely stepped up since I started cycling. Trying to eat enough has always been a problem for me. Trying to eat more and more whole foods. Taking in 2-2.5lbs meat ed.

 

[cboogsrun]

no you are talking BS - BTW i gained 40lbs in a yr 190 to 230 while dropping BF (20 to 15), CLEAN & NOT AT A LOW (NEWBIE) STARTING WEIGHT - i'm also 5'10" - not the largest frame, with slightly ecto shitty indian genetics (how many indian bodybuilders/athletes have you seen) ... that avi is a little old (and a got little distorted when i resized making me look a little wider, i'm not going to resize it again to prove anything to guys like you) ... i've leaned up slightly since then and will probably lean up some more before i go on a cutting cycle maybe after december. i'm not saying everyone can gain exactly like that, but it's mostly possible - for someone who's been around on these boards since 02 you should know better than that. sure, i'm fat, so what - you bulk while gaining fat, then you lose it... very old trick. he started out at 150 (as a NEWBIE)(so 30lbs in that first yr with a little fat (admittedly) should have been possible clean too unless there's something seriously wrong with him. getting FAT is the only way to get big - there's no such thing as muscle gain without fat gain. BTW he did mention that at 183 he was fat (at least he needed to cut in his eyes) - so it wasn't like 33 lbs in 3 yrs (some of which were newbie gains may i remind you) was fat free.

i'm not even going to bother asking to see your pics - i don't care what you look like, and i'm not interested in getting into a pissing match with you.

all i'm saying srf, and i'll say it again, you do need to re evaluate. how old are you? remember now that you're 200, you need to start eating much more to maintain, let alone bulk up some more from here.

You must be in your first year of lifting my friend. If everyone could put on 30lbs a year, we'd all be pro's. I've got 7 years of lifting in and I went from 170 to my peak at 230. I've posted pics before and most of the people thought I looked descent enough. If you add in his total gains then he's up 53lbs in 4 years. Thats a fuck load no matter who you are.

 

[medical]

how the hell are you going to gain muscle without fat even on AAS

This is my post from another thread:
"Update.....Had an immersion BF test done yesterday. Showed 13.2%. Like I said I am sure it was at least 18%. I'm ending my cycle in 6 days (last inject) 12 weeks in I am up 18 pounds and down 4 inches in waist size. 1.8 inch gain in Bi's, 4.2 in chest, 2.4 in thighs.
Now I'll see how much of it I can keep!"

 

[Mac173]

This is my post from another thread:
"Update.....Had an immersion BF test done yesterday. Showed 13.2%. Like I said I am sure it was at least 18%. I'm ending my cycle in 6 days (last inject) 12 weeks in I am up 18 pounds and down 4 inches in waist size. 1.8 inch gain in Bi's, 4.2 in chest, 2.4 in thighs.
Now I'll see how much of it I can keep!"

That's very impressive. I think the lean gain route is the way to go instead of the sloppy bulk method. To each his own though.

 

[treneriffic]

I wanna put my weiner in your butt! Just kiddn Lookn good though homie.

 

[enacer420nj]

Good pics bro, hard to say because I didnt see before and after but looks good. You must have kept your diet cleaner than the mold in your shower lol

 

[medical]

That's very impressive. I think the lean gain route is the way to go instead of the sloppy bulk method. To each his own though.

Here is an example of how people differ and how pics can be deceptive.
I'm 6'6", 272 lbs. 13.2% bf by immersion this week. Now some might say from this pic that I didn't need gear to get here, but let me tell you at 43 I DID need gear to get this lean. I still have horrible love handles, but even though it may not look it my chest is 51" unexpanded. Pics can be deceiving.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/94bubf/100_0832.jpg

 

[Neo22]

Have you done anything to try and tighten em up. I don't know what to do about them. I think I would have a much better taper if I could get rid of em.

i was told to stop doing abs competely. I think its helping a little, if i do abs in the future it will be decline situps and thats it. No hanging leg raises or cable crunches anymore

 

[ortiz34]

You look good and it takes balls to post pics like that bro. Silvershadow, since when did you start shitting Ben N Jerrrys outta your ass? Stop being a hater.

 

[rg78]

biceps look good, work on your lats/back and chest you'll appear much bigger and have that classic V shape

Oh and thanks to needto for the bomb. grow up fatty

 

[I3oosted]

Pecs could be better, arms look great but other than that A OK, def 11-12% bf. Good job!

 

[mlong23]

Guess it really depends on what your goal is. I would say you obviously need more size, at least another 10 lbs (which would give you the body most girls like) or more for the bodybuilder physique. I don't think your bf is as high as what you think.

 

[Mac173]

Thanks again guys. Didn't expect so many compliments though, but I'll take em. It says a lot when someone wants to put their weiner in your butt.

 

[digimon7068]

No flaming here. Congratulations. I would have liked for you to keep a little more mass... coming down from 203 to 187 is a good drop off... but overall not too bad bro. *golf clap*

Agreed. . .up 30 and back down 17 is fairly significant. . .what was your diet and pct like??

 

[Mac173]

Agreed. . .up 30 and back down 17 is fairly significant. . .what was your diet and pct like??

PCT
wk 11-13 500iu HCG ed
wk 11-13 20mg nolva ed
wk 14-16 50mg clomid ed Had to stop the clomid before I killed myself. That shit made me so depressed.

Like I said before I stayed at 200 up until 4wks out when I decided to cut. Dropped 13lbs in past 2.5wks though while trying to cut and not even doing cardio. Diet off has been 2-2.5lbs chicken, 12 egg whites, a couple whole eggs, 6tbsp ANPB, 2 bananas, 5-6 slices ww bread, about 6 scoops of protein mixed in w/ shakes and 130g dextrose. While on it was similiar except double the pb and double the carbs and throw in some dirty carbs like pizza or some french fries and ribs. On cycle was consuming at least 5500-600cals

 

[nisser512]

ahhhhh, What's this obsession with whey and dextrose? Use it ONLY after your workout. THe rest of the time use skim milk . It's cheaper and way better for you.

 

[DieselGunz]

arns,back good


chest,shoulders soft


cut 2-3% and bask in the glory of AAS

 

[Knights2]

good job kep up the work

 

[Tweakle]

back needs a lot of work, chins deads and rows for 12 months as hard as you do those curls.

I appreciate everyone's got different proportions and leverages but in an ideal world no-one should be juicing if they can't bench at least 315, squat 405 and deadlift 500+.

 

[medical]

back needs a lot of work, chins deads and rows for 12 months as hard as you do those curls.

I appreciate everyone's got different proportions and leverages but in an ideal world no-one should be juicing if they can't bench at least 315, squat 405 and deadlift 500+.

In an ideal world juice would be mixed into milk like vitamin D. For men only of course but in an ideal world men would dole out the food and hoard the juiced milk for themselves.

 

[mlong23]

ahhhhh, What's this obsession with whey and dextrose? Use it ONLY after your workout. THe rest of the time use skim milk . It's cheaper and way better for you.

Way to overload on the sugar there.

 

[maccer]

hmmm... are these your posts:
http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showpost.php?p=661647&postcount=64

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6365440&postcount=3

you fucking tool I have sorted those issues there - is that the worst you could find on me you stupid prick. Man I would hate to be you. Whats your point? I am not hiding my pics I say I am in a different league because I am smaller then most here, certainly do not look like a body builder.

 

[Mac173]

ahhhhh, What's this obsession with whey and dextrose? Use it ONLY after your workout. THe rest of the time use skim milk . It's cheaper and way better for you.

I only use dextrose for my PW shake, no other time.

 

[Mac173]

back needs a lot of work, chins deads and rows for 12 months as hard as you do those curls.

I appreciate everyone's got different proportions and leverages but in an ideal world no-one should be juicing if they can't bench at least 315, squat 405 and deadlift 500+.

I think that would count out half the people on here including myself.

 

[Tweakle]

exactly, and thats what makes elite's AAS board so entertaining to read.

 

[silver_shadow]

You must be in your first year of lifting my friend. If everyone could put on 30lbs a year, we'd all be pro's. I've got 7 years of lifting in and I went from 170 to my peak at 230. I've posted pics before and most of the people thought I looked descent enough. If you add in his total gains then he's up 53lbs in 4 years. Thats a fuck load no matter who you are.

actually, my friend, i'm in my 5th. admittedly, i came off a long layoff when i restarted last yr. is it so hard to imagine 30lbs for a newbie yr (although, technically this hasn't been a newbie yr for me)? there's a gym in texas - wichita falls which sees that all the time - check it out, run by a guy called mark ripetoe. the "secret" is eat big (upto a gallon of whole milk and 12 whole eggs, a lb of red meat, rice/pasta, veggies, fruits, oats and cornflakes) and squat 3x per week. still think it's impossible? in fact most of the guys who frequent the training board can and do make such gains often.

 

[silver_shadow]

You look good and it takes balls to post pics like that bro. Silvershadow, since when did you start shitting Ben N Jerrrys outta your ass? Stop being a hater.

who's being a hater? he asked for an honest opinion instead of "looking great bro *cock suck*", so i gave it... just voicing my concerns, so he says he's got his diet in check nowadays compared to back then, so that's alright then. no hard feelings srf, bro. keep killing that shit in the gym

 

[silver_shadow]

you fucking tool I have sorted those issues there - is that the worst you could find on me you stupid prick. Man I would hate to be you. Whats your point? I am not hiding my pics I say I am in a different league because I am smaller then most here, certainly do not look like a body builder.

stfu tiny, you clearly haven't a clue after 4+ yrs on this board. learn something instead of hating on others.

 

[maccer]

ANd you have? Funny how no one agreed with your original comments

And I would take my physique over you big fat bloated ass any day!! Its called choice we all have one, I choose not to look like a car crash son

 

[silver_shadow]

you don't have a choice - you don't know how to get "big and bloated", nor big and ripped, so you "choose" to stay small and puny. and folks didn't exactly disagree with my comments, misunderstood maybe - i did get a few k hits. plus there was one from a VERY respected and experienced member, who happens to be one of the biggest and most jacked guys around here who sent this k message: "nice find, that post about the dude talking shit on here"

"the dude talking shit on here" is YOU. now kindly shut your hole. or don't (you have a choice for once ) - rant and rave, i'm done talking to you, squirt.

 

[maccer]

mate you are deluded!! serious issues - funny how many have told me you are talking shit!! Enough said son enjoy your daily MCDs fat boy

 

[JKurz1]

What was and is your diet like bro? Look good...

 

[CO B-man]

.
getting FAT is the only way to get big - there's no such thing as muscle gain without fat gain.

This statement is about the most BS I read in this thread. It is too possible its called discipline and eating the right foods. You can eat clean and enough calories to bulk without getting fat! Just most people do not have the discipline it takes but dont say its not possible

 

[JKurz1]

This statement is about the most BS I read in this thread. It is too possible its called discipline and eating the right foods. You can eat clean and enough calories to bulk without getting fat! Just most people do not have the discipline it takes but dont say its not possible

 

[silver_shadow]

explain why ronnie fucking coleman sits off season at 325? thats with all the gear and and pro genetics. if it was him here saying eat doughnuts with your protein shakes and get fat then lose it - that way you'll get bigger, then people here would be lapping it up

 

[medical]

explain why ronnie fucking coleman sits off season at 325? thats with all the gear and and pro genetics. if it was him here saying eat doughnuts with your protein shakes and get fat then lose it - that way you'll get bigger, then people here would be lapping it up

I wouldn't.

 

[silver_shadow]

ok here goes:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/cgi-bin...p://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_march_1.htm

this is glenn pendlay on mark rippetoe:
Its normal for him to take a high school kid and put 30-40lbs of muscle on them in a period of less than 6 months, without drugs and without ever spending more than 3 days a week in the gym. I should say it's normal if they listen to him. Most won't listen to anyone.

for your information, glenn pendlay and mark rippetoe are 2 of americas top strength coaches. glenn posts here, mostly on the training board, but since most of the juicers don't want to learn about training, they wouldn't know. now tell me again that 30lbs in a newbie yr is BS. if you eat and train like stuart little you'll be little like stuart little. and i also don't care if someone misinformed and SMALL gave someone else green k and "proved" they were right. nor do i care if someone gave me red k and "proved" me wrong...

 

[realsouljah]

SILVER SHADOW.. if thats you in the pic shouldnt be advising anyone.. your fat MESS LOOOOOOOL.. remind me fat guys in gym who think there IT.. anyway inabit fat boy

 

[SgtSlaughter]

ok here goes:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/cgi-bin...p://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_march_1.htm

this is glenn pendlay on mark rippetoe:
Its normal for him to take a high school kid and put 30-40lbs of muscle on them in a period of less than 6 months, without drugs and without ever spending more than 3 days a week in the gym. I should say it's normal if they listen to him. Most won't listen to anyone.

for your information, glenn pendlay and mark rippetoe are 2 of americas top strength coaches. glenn posts here, mostly on the training board, but since most of the juicers don't want to learn about training, they wouldn't know. now tell me again that 30lbs in a newbie yr is BS. if you eat and train like stuart little you'll be little like stuart little. and i also don't care if someone misinformed and SMALL gave someone else green k and "proved" they were right. nor do i care if someone gave me red k and "proved" me wrong...

bro, you're wasting your typing energy on this board talking about training... people will try and do what they want to do. If they're happy with what they do so be it. They're are some times better ways to achieve goals, and if they want to know... they'll figure it out

 

[Mac173]

who's being a hater? he asked for an honest opinion instead of "looking great bro *cock suck*", so i gave it... just voicing my concerns, so he says he's got his diet in check nowadays compared to back then, so that's alright then. no hard feelings srf, bro. keep killing that shit in the gym

None taken.

 

[Mac173]

What was and is your diet like bro? Look good...

Diet was 8 meals a day and 5500-6000 cals.
2lbs red meat
12 egg whites
lots of ww bread
bananas
ww pasta
ANPB
1/2 gal whole milk
Prot. 350-400
carbs 450-500
fats didn't keep track, but a good bit
Also would throw in some dirty carbs like pizza(since I do work for Papa Johns),french fries or ribs. Kept dirty carbs to a min. though especially when the waist started to grow.

 

[CO B-man]

explain why ronnie fucking coleman sits off season at 325? thats with all the gear and and pro genetics. if it was him here saying eat doughnuts with your protein shakes and get fat then lose it - that way you'll get bigger, then people here would be lapping it up

Whatever it takes to make you feel better about being fat when you bulk. But its possible. I could care less what you or Ronnie Coleman say thats his and your way of bulking. Just what part of your damned muscle composition is made up of fricking twinkes, ho-ho's and doughnuts!! That is just plain assinine and if you would quit believeing that you would probably be more cut up yourself! You eat crap like that heck yeah you are going to gain a lot more weight but you are kidding yourself because it is just pounds of fat on a a scale not pounds of muscle. You can deny all you want that you can not gain muscle without the fat but its just plain wrong! It IS possible if you have the discipline. If you dont have the discipline thats o.k. but dont say that you can not gain muscle without the fat to make you feel better about the way you do it.

 

[silver_shadow]

Whatever it takes to make you feel better about being fat when you bulk but its possible I could care less what you say just what part of your damned muscle composition is made up of fricking twinkes and doughnuts!! That is just plain assinine and if you would quit believeing that you wouldprobably be more cut up yourself!

whatever

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Whatever it takes to make you feel better about being fat when you bulk but its possible I could care less what you say just what part of your damned muscle composition is made up of fricking twinkes and dough nuts!! That is just plain asinine and if you would quit believing that you would probably be more cut up yourself!

Different people have different goals.

I didn't think you were so closed minded.

 

[CO B-man]

Different people have different goals.

I didn't think you were so closed minded.

What exactly is closed minded? I said it was possible to gain lean muscle! Period that is a fact! Silver shadow is the one who says you can not gain muscle without the fat and that is BS We all know that. Do I gain without getting a little fat? No way why? Because I lack the discipline to maintain the proper diet but I do not kid myself nor others around me saying it is not possible. I OWN my lack of diet discipline!

 

[H_T_]

I think that would count out half the people on here including myself.

lol. half....

 

[SgtSlaughter]

What exactly is closed minded? I said it was possible to gain lean muscle! Period that is a fact! Silver shadow is the one who says you can not gain muscle without the fat and that is BS We all know that. Do I gain without getting a little fat? No way why? Because I lack the discipline to maintain the proper diet but I do not kid myself nor others around me saying it is not possible. I OWN my lack of diet discipline!

Ok, I have gained muscle without fat and without AAS (lifetime clean still...so far ) I agree there.

I'm just saying agree to disagree, different people different goals... no need to flame and put down people for doing what they enjoy.

We're all here to learn.

A grain of salt.

http://www.midwestbarbell.com/totalelite/index.php?showtopic=1110

 

[Protobuilder]

exactly, and thats what makes elite's AAS board so entertaining to read.

LMFAO!! Comedy gold right there.


Re: clean vs. dirty foods . . . The amount of calories determines whether you're gaining, and whether you're gaining more or less fat. The composition of the calories is a distant second. The "thou shalt eat boiled chicken + dry baked potato" mantra comes from voodoo science, BB'ing myth, and a superiority complex that many Bb'ing types seem to need ("I'm better b/c I'm ultra disciplined and never eat pie.").

 

[SgtSlaughter]

back needs a lot of work, chins deads and rows for 12 months as hard as you do those curls.

I appreciate everyone's got different proportions and leverages but in an ideal world no-one should be juicing if they can't bench at least 315, squat 405 and deadlift 500+.

This post deserves a bump

 

[CO B-man]

Ok, I have gained muscle without fat and without AAS (lifetime clean still...so far ) I agree there.

I'm just saying agree to disagree, different people different goals... no need to flame and put down people for doing what they enjoy.

We're all here to learn.

A grain of salt.

http://www.midwestbarbell.com/totalelite/index.php?showtopic=1110

This post is what got me going. I know all about different goals and lifting styles and diets are all dependant on your own individual goals. THat has nothing to do with the fact that you can gain lean muscle with the proper diet which does NOT include doghnuts, cotton Candy, A SuperSized Tripple Whopper meal and a diet coke!

"explain why ronnie fucking coleman sits off season at 325? thats with all the gear and and pro genetics. if it was him here saying eat doughnuts with your protein shakes and get fat then lose it - that way you'll get bigger, then people here would be lapping it up "

 

[SgtSlaughter]

They make triple whoppers?!

I'm done in here. All I'll say is people have VERY different calorie requirements to gaining weight... the more muscle you have the more cals are burnt at rest the MUCH more you need to even try to put on weight.

 

[CO B-man]

They make triple whoppers?!

I'm done in here. All I'll say is people have VERY different calorie requirements to gaining weight... the more muscle you have the more cals are burnt at rest the MUCH more you need to even try to put on weight.

Thats a fact! Cant disagree with a fact!

 

[Mac173]

LMFAO!! Comedy gold right there.


Re: clean vs. dirty foods . . . The amount of calories determines whether you're gaining, and whether you're gaining more or less fat. The composition of the calories is a distant second. The "thou shalt eat boiled chicken + dry baked potato" mantra comes from voodoo science, BB'ing myth, and a superiority complex that many Bb'ing types seem to need ("I'm better b/c I'm ultra disciplined and never eat pie.").

Are you saying eat whatever you want. Cals are the only thing that is important? How would you ever put lean mass on doing that?

 

[Mercere]

ok here goes:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/cgi-bin...p://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_march_1.htm

this is glenn pendlay on mark rippetoe:
Its normal for him to take a high school kid and put 30-40lbs of muscle on them in a period of less than 6 months, without drugs and without ever spending more than 3 days a week in the gym. I should say it's normal if they listen to him. Most won't listen to anyone.

for your information, glenn pendlay and mark rippetoe are 2 of americas top strength coaches. glenn posts here, mostly on the training board, but since most of the juicers don't want to learn about training, they wouldn't know. now tell me again that 30lbs in a newbie yr is BS. if you eat and train like stuart little you'll be little like stuart little. and i also don't care if someone misinformed and SMALL gave someone else green k and "proved" they were right. nor do i care if someone gave me red k and "proved" me wrong...

I've gained about 25lbs in 3.5 months, adding 110 lbs to my squat, 55lbs to my bench and 165 lbs to my deads. I have no special athletic ability and never played team sports during high school. I'm pretty much a regular guy. If anyone is interested I'll be happy to report my results at the end of the year, check my journal in training forums.

srf173, continue to learn and bust ass bro. Silver shadow is just worried about you losing some of your hard-earned muscle while you're off. Congrats on your gains man!

 

[timtim]

i would never take diet advice from a huge fat guy. not a flame or an insult, fact.

who the hell wants to be a fat shit? no matter how big you are or you get, if your a huge fat shit it means nothing. your obese, your not big. your FAT. and no one with a bb eye or dedication thinks otherwise. theres alot to be said about a person who achieves a great physique.

not a flame, hope noone gets offended.