Poll -- Which do you prefer for CUTTING? Winny or Var?

[Juice Authority]

my man CIT...

you'd cut some fat.. sure!

but pounds of muscle too unless on some anabolic.

i think the orignal post asked for the one anabolic that will rip you up while perserving muscle.

The problem with this question is that there is no "anabolic" per se that aids in fat burning. Sure, water retention on Anavar is kept to a minimum but it does nothing to reduce overall bodyfat. Now there have been some arguements made that Fina aids in fat burning since it raises pgf levels which burns fat, Fonz has some excellent theories on it, which I agree since I eat like a pig on it and dont put on much fat. D-bol also raises dopamine, which aids in fat burning and it suppresses appetite for a lot of people. D-Bol is very inticatabolic. Winstrol may decrease IM fat, giving the muscles a more dense and hard look, which isnt going to matter if you got 15% hangin on the outside anyways. I would eat clean, high protien. Add in some T3 to increase your M and throw in a NYC or NYC/Clen along with r-ala and cla.

 

[Themachine01]

Im trying to persuade a buddy into the winny over var just because of how high the price of the var is. Its just that Ive never taken winny tabs and all he can get is the British Dragon, Thailand 5mg tabs.

 

[Juice Authority]

Im trying to persuade a buddy into the winny over var just because of how high the price of the var is. Its just that Ive never taken winny tabs and all he can get is the British Dragon, Thailand 5mg tabs.

Well, then share this information with him so he can make a more informed decision.

Posted by Big Cat:

In defense of Stanozolol

Stanozolol is a methylated drug. That means it can be taken orally and be quite effective, but also displays a certain level of liver toxicity. We need to relativate these findings, toxicity is often overstated and it was found (14) that many cases where liver toxicity was determined based on aminotransferase levels were false positives when we looked at the CGT levels. Nonetheless some care should be taken. In general we advise no more than 6-8 weeks on any hepatoxic drug within normal doses (for stanazolol that is 50-100 mg per day) when taken orally and up to 10 weeks when injected (50-75 mg per day). After that ample time should be given to the liver to recover.

Stanozolol has no 3-keto group, which is in most cases essential for androgen binding. So it is far from the heavy androgen some would have you believe it is. But it does appear to exhibit good binding in some places. Like its parent, DHT, it seems to reduce some aromatase activity and it may guard against some progestagenic binding (15) as well (from nandrolone or trenbolone) although it is unlikely its affinity for the PR is strong enough to play a crucial role in that. It has been suggested that stanozolol may have good binding to the microsomal AR, which may explain its benefits as far as energy utilization. Both aerobic and anaerobic, stanozolol seems to exhibit a large increase in performance. Strength and explosiveness increase, and athletes seem to tire less fast. It has therefore been a favourite of many runners, both in shorter and longer distances. The main use here for us will then also be to assist in the maintaining and gaining of strength, rather than sheer mass, although its light anti-aromatase properties will also aid us in attaining a more fat-free body.

One reason, with regards to safety, why I chose to include stanozolol and not a more potent bulk-up agent as the oral component of this cycle, is because of its effects on tendons. It has long been a concern that steroid usage causes tendon damage. Directly it doesn’t of course, but as muscle size increases and strength increases, so does pressure on tendons. And since the tendons do not have a large degree of vascularity they cannot adapt as quickly as the muscle. Repeated strain causes microtraumata, and when enough microtraumata have built up, eventually the tendon will rupture. Stanozolol however, has been found to increase collagen synthesis (16) where testosterone did not. Collagen is a key component in fibrous tissue such as cartilage and tendons, and may therefore offer us the bonus effect of maintaining tendon health or even repairing damage of microtrauma, and keep our cartilage healthy so we can resist the pressure on our joints.

 

[Themachine01]

cool, thanks Juice, he wont go with the injectable, I wasnt sure how good of results he would get from the tabs. He will be adding in with EQ at 600mg/wk, would there be a noticeable difference between 100mg/day or 50mg/day?

 

[Juice Authority]

cool, thanks Juice, he wont go with the injectable, I wasnt sure how good of results he would get from the tabs. He will be adding in with EQ at 600mg/wk, would there be a noticeable difference between 100mg/day or 50mg/day?

There is only one reason to recommend injecting over taking orally, and that is PERCEIVED effectiveness. I prefer the results of injecting vs. oral, however I am not convinced that it isn't all wishful thinking.

The only advantage injectable winny has over oral is that the winny gets a free ride the first time around (from the liver). After that, it will be just the same as oral winny. Differences in your cycle's effectiveness will be negligible, although most seem to notice a difference in effectivness between the two routes.

 

[little chris]

Never tried either but I heard var suppresses appetite and that's a no no. They can bith mess with your liver if too much is taken for to long, and var is way to much. hmmmm

WINNY!!

 

[satchboogie]

var is WAY WAY overrated!

i mean, sure it will lead to above average strength gains but for the money it aint worth it.

i think the reason so many drool over var is because of the simple fact that its so hard to get.

if winny was harder to get believe me that everybody would be talking about it.

like trenbelone acetate (the original french drug... may have been called masteron), been discontinued and everybody is drooling over it now and making it from pellets.

var.... OVERRATED!

 

[Juice Authority]

var is WAY WAY overrated!

i mean, sure it will lead to above average strength gains but for the money it aint worth it.

i think the reason so many drool over var is because of the simple fact that its so hard to get.

if winny was harder to get believe me that everybody would be talking about it.

like trenbelone acetate (the original french drug... may have been called masteron), been discontinued and everybody is drooling over it now and making it from pellets.

var.... OVERRATED!

While I appreciate your opinion I'd have to disagree. Yes, Var is harder to get than most AAS and it is expensive but the bottom line is that whatever gains you make on Anavar, as little as they may be, especially if taken by itself, are very easily maintained post-cycle. It is also probably the safest AS out there today from toxicity/sife effects perspective. Many people use Anavar to maintain lean mass while reducing bodyfat. Anavar itself doesn't directly reduce bodyfat, but it does play a part in the process. Also, because the gains you make on Anavar are easy to keep there really isn't much of a need for anti-e's like clomid or Nolva post-cycle.

 

[satchboogie]

While I appreciate your opinion I'd have to disagree. Yes, Var is harder to get than most AAS and it is expensive but the bottom line is that whether gains you make on Anavar, as little as they may be, especially if taken by itself, are very easily maintained post-cycle. It is also probably the safest AS out there today from toxicity/sife effects perspective. Many people use Anavar to maintain lean mass while reducing bodyfat. Anavar itself doesn't directly reduce bodyfat, but it does play a part in the process. Also, because the gains you make on Anavar are easy to keep there really isn't much of a need for anti-e's like clomid or Nolva post-cycle.

fair enough then...

primo is just as effective if not even more safe than anavar.

 

[powerhouse26]

winny or var

ill take var all day over winny...winny tears my joints up to the point where i can barely lift...ive had good luck with primo and anavar wille cutting..

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