Please help us redesign the perfect ECA fat burner

[George Spellwin]

Dear friends and fellow athletes,

Mass Quantities is taking its time release fat burner Phenyltropic and redesigning it.

It will still contain ephedrine alkaloids, yohimbe, and caffeine, but we thought we would ask you what additional ingredients you would like to see in the ultimate legal fat burner.

If our lab uses an ingredient that you recommend here on the boards, we will give you a six month supply of the redesigned Phenyltropic for free!

So, please make your suggestions here, and be sure to let everyone know the dosage of the ingredients you recommend and why you think they should be included in the formula.


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Yours in sport,

George

George Spellwin
Research Director

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[thefacelessballer]

asprin, chromium picolinate, ginsng, synephrine, niacin, l-carnitine, quercetin, hydroxy citric acid.

these are my suggestions

 

[freakazoid]

admin,this is probably useless to you but the eca i use is plain ol ephedrine goodys powders,]chased w/coffie kicks my ass.

 

[JOCKO7]

Go with the traditional ECA stack; EXCEPT
1) Package/Market it in a "cycle format"
a. by this, I mean 1st 2 wks, 2nd 2wks, 1 week off, Back on. (dependent on studies)
2) FIRST cycle is traditional ECA-yohimbine.
3) 2ND Cycle add L-Tyrosine and Narangenin. This will help to increase the half-life. The amino acid Tyrosine will assist the body in "maintaining" a higher metabolic environment.
4) Add the herbal supplement "guggul". (has effect on Thyroid, but cannot recall specific details)
WILL RESEARCH THE AMOUNTS THAT SHOULD BE UTILIZED and GET BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.
Summary is as follows: Guggul, L-Tyrosine, and Narangenin.

 

[Fonz]

Things that work on an ECA stack.

These are PROVEN.

1. L-Tyrosine at 500mg per dose.
Basic building block of NA.
Very important for optimal thyroid function.

2. Green Tea Polyphenols. Greatly increase
thermogenesis w/ECA added. Aslo increases
BMR by 4% all by themselves.
I don't know why more companies don't use this
product as its one of those "GEMS" that
REALLY DOES WORK.

3. 200mg Lipoic acid per dose??????
Increased glucose oxidation.
Blood glucose regulator.
Great anti-oxidant, free-radical scavenger.
Only problem with the added ALA is
that the final product cost would be
increased substantially.


The rest are worthless.
Synephrine IS TOO WEAK. Gugguls are BS.
HCA DOES NOT WORK IN HUMANS.
Chromium is pretty basic.
Forskholi is WEAK too(Triax-II).
So forget about them.

Just some thoughts....

Godspeed

 

[Rotten]

I suppliment my ECS with cromium and also kava kava so I don't feel as cracked out or wired while taking it. Maybe add some ginsing to calm the stomach.

 

[Suspension]

Fonz-

You took the words right outta my mouth!
Good post.

 

[JOCKO7]

Originally posted by Fonz:
Things that work on an ECA stack.
Gugguls are BS.

I think that you will find promising studies for future use of Guggulsterones.

ALSO, what are feelings about Narangenin? I noticed that you didn't mention it along with the other possibilities. There are tons os pharmaceutical literature on its interaction with certain drugs and the ability to extend the half-life of those drugs.
As you are surprised with "green tea", so I am with the apparent lack of knowledge surrounding narangenin. This would definitely make the ECA stack much more powerful!!!

 

[Fonz]

Originally posted by JOCKO7:

Originally posted by Fonz:
Things that work on an ECA stack.
Gugguls are BS.

I think that you will find promising studies for future use of Guggulsterones.

ALSO, what are feelings about Narangenin? I noticed that you didn't mention it along with the other possibilities. There are tons os pharmaceutical literature on its interaction with certain drugs and the ability to extend the half-life of those drugs.
As you are surprised with "green tea", so I am with the apparent lack of knowledge surrounding narangenin. This would definitely make the ECA stack much more powerful!!!

I could go on for hours about tons of compounds,
but here is your response.


I ommitted naringenin because of one-thing.

It slows down the metabolism of the caffeine leading
to prolonged plasma levels of caffeine THAT WILL
INHIBIT A GOOD NIGHTS REST.
If naringenin was aded to the mix, you would have to
take your latest dosage at 2P.M. not 4P.M as
the caffeine-boosting effects of the naringenin
would make sleep VERY, VERY hard.
Naringenin tends to increase the bio-availibility
of oral products, so IT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD
THING TO ADD IF THE PERSON IN QUESTION
WERE TAKING A SPECIFIC MEDICINE WITH
A SPECIFIC DOSAGE. The naringenin would
throw the dosage patterns of the person out-of whack
so-to-speak. This is not good.


Guggulsterones were touted to increase T4-T3
conversion in the liver. However, this is JUST
NOT THE CASE. They do seem to work
great for ACNE. Being even more efficient
than TETRACYCLINE. It seems to more
of a liver anti-oxidant than anything else.

Godspeed

 

[Stew Meat]

I wish I could find a simple ECA.
Caffeine 200mg (not from guaranara or other herbal source)
Ephedrine HCL 25mg (not from herbal source)
And possibly aspirin (not from herbal source)

This would be cheap and effective with very low side effects due to reactions to the herbal additives.

I'd buy the hell out of it.


-Stew