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Pics from my infection from winstrol...

That is a pretty deep wound. How ofter is it being changed? From the picture it looks like it requires deep wound packing..how long did it go untreated?

Get well soon friend..
 
You can almost see bone! j/k but that's nasty.
 
sorry that you have had to experience that bro.........makes me want to stick to dbol only cycles........
 
Im going to try to answer all the questions.
There is 2 possible reason for the infection. 1) I mixed in the same needle winstrol and testoviron...u really cant mix oil based with aquous based or 2) the winstrol is fake...One or the other
I took the pictures today Dec16 and I had the surgery 13 days ago. The wound was deeper in the beggining. Doctor said he saw the bone during surgery cause the pus was sticked to the bone. The doctor saw me today and told me that the wound is MUCH better and Im recovering very fast. Here its a post that I posted on another message board when I got out of the hospital 13 days ago.
"After 5 days of pain I couldnt wait more cause my pain reached a level that I couldnt stand! I woke up crying of so much pain on monday morning and I almost couldnt walk. I wasnt feeling my left leg(thigh) so I ran to the closest ER. When I got there they took a x-ray of my thigh and the ER doctor saw the xray and told me my thigh was full of pus so he called another doctor to come to do the surgery but the doctor was taking so long that I didnt want to wait! I was nervous! so finally I had to call my father and tell him the truth so he could ask his friend who is a doctor to see my leg asap. My father called his friend and his friend told me to go to a hospital in downtown cause he was waiting for me there. So I got there and he was fast. He gave me a local anaesthesia and cut a straight line of 5 centimeters, guess what happened? Pus exploded all over his face and on the floor! But he said that was more serious than he thought cause it was still a lot of pus deep inside my muscle and a local anasesthesia wasnt enough. So we went to a real surgery room with those huge lamps like a football camp! He gave me a full anaesthesia at 2:30PM and I only remember waking up in another room at 6PM. After I woke up we talk and he said what he thought was a simple surgery of 30minutes took 1h30min. He said that the pus was kinda sticked to my thigh's bone. I just got back from the hospital and I had to stay there cause I had to take the antibiotics through IV cause thats the only way it could reach the affected area. Oral antibiotics or intramuscular wouldnt do the job. Today he clenead the area and sew 8 dots. Now I have to do daily curatives. I had to pay $1500!"
 
Yeesh! $1500 is 3-4 years of juice for me.
 
So if I read your post correctly only 5 days passed between injection and this level of infection? Am I correct?

Good luck bud.
 
Same thing happened to my ass two years ago. It doesn't take long to get serious. I waited a little over a week to go see the doc. He put me on anti biotics but it was to late. 3 days after the taking antibiotics i was in the hospital getting sliced open. Im going to guess that it was from mixing the oil and water. I mixed test suspension and fina and i know my needle, skin and stopper were all steralized. Best of luck to ya bro. Its going to be a while before it heals up.
 
Since it's been mentioned on this thread several times, if anyone is wondering why water and oil shouldn't be mixed, here's an explaination by Fonz:

Fonz said:


Simple.

Water has a different density to oil.

When you simultaneously inject both water and oil-based ASS together you create an emulsion within the depot, which screws up the release rate of the two different AAS.
The wole point of water-based AAS is that they are released extremely fast intyo the blood stream from their injection site. Oil takes far longer(Hence why AAS w/ esters are all oil-based).

Also, having a water-based AAS inside an injection site for an extended period of time is a recipy for an abscess. Bacterial growth can occurr.

Fonz
 
I had this experience back in '94. Here's my story. I wanted to know exactly how much Winstrol I had left, so I withdrew it into individual 3cc syringes, counted, then replaced it into the vial. Either it got contaminated in the process, or it was bad to begin with. A few days after a quad shot, it was still a little tender and I couldn't handle putting my thigh inder the pads on the lat pulldown machine, so I went to ER. I used to work there, so I had to be careful what my story was. Told the doc that I had taken B12. He put me on Naproxen(NSAID). He didn't even consider infection. After the weekend, it was a little worse and swollen, so I went to my GP, a sports doctor who was cool with the juice. He measured my thighs to see if one was swollen and it was the same. I completely forgot to tell him that my left was naturally about an inch larger than the right, so the right was swelling up. He told me to come back if it didint dissipate in a few days.
About a week went by (total-15 days since the last shot), I was out of town, and it was the size of a football on my thigh, so my mom (I was 22) basically forced me to go to a doctor in this strange town. He put me on Keflex(antibiotic), Tylenol 3 for pain, more Naproxen, and Flexeril (muscle relaxant). During the next week I lost about 20 pounds as I had no appetite and Keflex just chews away muscle mass.
Finally, I got tired of not being able to walk, so I went back to the out-of-town doc and he called the ER and told them I was coming. When I got there, the doc poked me with some Xylocaine and inserted a needle to see if he could withdraw any pus. He said I had a major abcess. He incised about an inch and a quarter length hole into my leg and deep intramuscular. The nurse held me down while another nurse and the doc squeezed the pus and blood out of my leg into a k-basin. I kept passing out every 20 seconds or so. They got about a litre of pus ouot of it and then inserted a mesh drain deep IM.
Doc said that if I had left it for 2 more days, I would have lost my leg from the top down. Ain;t that a wakeup call. When they took out the mesh and reinserted it without freezing was another one. WHEW!!!
Be careful! Stay sterile and aseptic.
 
I hate to see that.....hope you get well, and recover soon, about to start my cycle soon, wish I wouldn't have seen this thread....gonna cook my supplements and check um for floaties...
 
just to let everyone know that when you inject gear and it hurts like hell for 4-7 days it is the alcohol in the mix which kills the bacteria that causes that type of infection. be thankful for that injection pain because its keeping your leg from looking like that
 
best wished for a speedy recovery man. nasty gash.

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im still not crystal clear on why not to mix, i know they have different absorbtion rates but is it the fact that the water stays "trapped" in the oil and bacteria can grow?
 
The problem with mixing the oil and water based AAS is that it forms an oil/water emulsion, like Fonz stated. This is where basically tiny droplet of oil encapsulate water droplets. Normally, if you injected the water based gear alone it is absorbed and dissipates from the injection site very quickly. Therefore, no infection. When it is encapsulated by oil, the water stays at the injection site for a much longer period of time, which can result in an infection. The oil based gear will hold the BA so that it can't start growing anything, the water based gear will not, the alcohol leaves the water and makes for nice place to bacteria to grow.
 
5 days???? The winny had to have already had heavy growth.

This type of bacterial growth is easily controlled with anti-biotics, did you not see a problem arising before it came to this???

Nautica
 
I had to have a cyst removed by my tailbone (not from injecting), and it has been about 2 months and still not healed up. Started working out about a 2-3 weeks ago, and it is hard to do somethings.

I know the pain you are going through and it is some shit that makes you wanna cry at times. Hope you get better.
 
DAMN...nasty thread...good luck bro..
 
newpump said:
I'm not clear on the oil/water issue either. I've mixed home made tren/prop with b-12 before... is that bad?

BRO IF U DIDNT UNDERSTAND WHY U SHOULD NOT MIX WATER BASED WITH OIL BASED THATS OK BUT JUST DONT MIX IT. PERIOD.
 
Shinobi - the reason I didn't understand was that this was the first time I have heard about not mixing oil based AAS with water based b-12. In fact, several people have advocated mixing b-12 in with oil AAS like prop to "ease the pain" of injections. Based on the info in this thread - I think I'm going to split my injections up to oil based AAS in one area and b-12 in another :).
 
Sorry to see that. A friend of mine had the same thing about a year ago. Winny also made a big hole in his arm. The doc had to stick gaus in his arm for two days just to drain the extra puss that he couldn't get out with the syringe. By the way they drained about 15cc's of puss. This all started from a punch vs punch contest. He didn't go to the ER for about two weeks until it became the size of a golf ball and just as hard too. Well now about a year later he is totally fine but i bet he won't be using winny anymore.
 
You guys that have gotten infections....
How about we name some of the brands of winny that you used....
 
Big Rick Rock said:
You guys that have gotten infections....
How about we name some of the brands of winny that you used....

I used real Zambon Winstrols from Spain... I bought it myself at the pharmacy in Galicia
 
I read your original thread Shinobi and you stated that the infection was from home baked fina. Why now do you think its from the winstrol?
 
In the beggining of my infection I was considering the fina cause I heard of impure fina causing infections. When the fina/tren is not heated to a certain point it can have bacteria...Well, thats what a friend from another message board told me but after talking to the doctor, input from some friends Im sure that the answer for my infection was the mix oil/water
 
that fucking scares the shit outta ME at least..I'LL NEVER MIX. AND ALWAYS GO STERILE. god damn dude, this shit looks nasty! I feel you're pain, I really do...hope you're back in the gym really sooon!

btw, does this mean you're giving you up juicing? it looks fucking horrible :(

:angel:
 
I have a question.... that spot we see in the pics.. is that your injection spot? If so, why is it so low on the side of the leg (towards the back)?

Isn't that a bad inject place anyway?
 
AAP said:
I have a question.... that spot we see in the pics.. is that your injection spot? If so, why is it so low on the side of the leg (towards the back)?

Isn't that a bad inject place anyway?
I was wondering the same thing myself.

I'm also wondering now how you know it was the Winstrol and not the Fina. Did you inject both in the same area? I'm assuming fairly close or the same day?
 
I mixed in the same needle fina, winstrol and testoviron. Thats why I thought that the infection could be from a impure fina.
I didnt inject there but the doctor did the surgery there cause the inflamation was all over my thigh so he decided to start the surgery in the back of my thigh. I had to use a rubber tube for a week to drain the pus and the dead/old blood that was still inside my thigh that wasnt removed during the surgery
 
Ok now I understand, and I assumed that the surgical area and the actual injection site were not the same.

You used the Fina in the past with no problems then? If that's the case then it does make sense that it would be the trapped water that infected you.
 
I used the same batch of fina last summer and I had no problems...The reason for the infection is for sure the water/oil mix
 
I really thank God for being Canadian when my mishap occured...I saw 4 different doctors, was in hosp 4 different times, and my meds were covered...whew!
 
genarr3 said:
Since it's been mentioned on this thread several times, if anyone is wondering why water and oil shouldn't be mixed, here's an explaination by Fonz:


Good explanation and I respect Fonz as he is very knowledgeable but I have done this before enough times with no problems though.
 
To give everybody another point of view I also had this type of thing happen, but it does not have to do with the mixing at all. This could be an abscess or cellulitis. An abcess can be caused by several factors One could be if you hit scar tissue, a vein or an unknown infection under the skin with your needle it will cause puss to start filling up to fight the damaged area. It is your bodys normal defense system. The area may be red or pink on the surface and may also feel warm to the touch. You may also experience a fever,body aches and chills as well. If not taken care of the puss will continue to grom and spread throughout your body and then may enter your blood stream. These problems can cause a loss of a limb or even death if not corrected. The second cellulitis is an infection to the cells under the skin and is not as serious as an abscess but has the same symptoms. In the beginning stages you can take pennicillin for a 10 day stretch and that should alleviate the problem before it gets serious. One last note you still should not mix oils and water and try not to inject over 2-3cc's in on area.
 
Hope your recovery goes good. 1500 for your surgery thats not to bad. I screwed up a nerve in my neck/head that costed me 2000 just for an MRI to tell me I was fine that it would heal with time. It's been 4 months and I'm still paying for that shit:(
 
breathinbleedout said:
$1500 for a surgery is pretty cheap.
for real bro. your lucky on that account.
Bionic
 
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