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jeremy02
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Got my PT in today, and it starts tomorrow! Running it only four weeks at recommended dosage BY ITS SELF. Will use this thread for results.
njmuscleguy
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I'll be watching... just got my bottle today.... just finished a 4-wk run of Derma, so now I'm going to compare it to a 4-wk run of Phyto.
perryscoon
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njmuscleguy said:
Did the derma do anything?
needtogetaas
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nice
digitizedsoul
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Ha. Awesome.
*Throws a glance in lartinos` direction...*
*Throws a glance in lartinos` direction...*
njmuscleguy
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perryscoon said:
In terms of what? Gains? Size? Ehh... not sure...maybe it helps in part.
As far as how it makes you feel, yes, it works great! Definitely helps with libido and overall sense of well-being and energy. That's the main reason I use it and if it does anything else beyond that, that's icing on the cake for me!
I also like it as a mild, more natural alternative to jump-start a cycle.
perryscoon
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njmuscleguy said:
How does it compare to derma sust?
perryscoon said:
derma Sustanon lol
I definitely want to know when they come out with that one!
digitizedsoul
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RearNaked said:
Yeah i wouldn't mind to see that abolished myself
perryscoon
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digitizedsoul said:
lol derma SUSTAIN! i type s.u.s.t.
I think the autospell causes more problems with searching because people spell stuff like t.ren or tr3n etc to get around it. So if I want to search I have to search for all the different misspellings instead of just searching for tren.
slamminshaun
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I just got my Phyto-Test today...how come the dosage is 4ml per serving, but they give you a 5ml spoon?
digitizedsoul
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slamminshaun said:
I thought the same thing, I just pour SLIGHTLY less then to the top / edges. Close enough to 4ml for me...
Funny though ain't it?
njmuscleguy
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perryscoon said:
Well, Sustain doesn't have the same kinda *oomph* as Derma does, since it doesn't have DHEA & pregnenolone... but it does bring back your libido and it does help you recover. Two different products really. Good stuff as well.
digitizedsoul
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njmuscleguy said:
Yeah I posted a link in my progress thread about the ingredients in reg dermacrine. Good read.
PP Is the king of finding compounds that were discovered long ago, but forgotten completely, adding them together for synergy, and releasing a smashing good product ;p
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jeremy02
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I'm currently in trouble with the police, was arrested from school today, so I'm gunna hold off starting so there wont be any break between days just in case I get taken in again.
Bastards.
Bastards.
digitizedsoul
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jeremy02 said:
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jeremy02
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My neighbor used my phone to make some bad phone calls and now I'm getting charged with 10+ charges of harassment. I've been all over the news.
perryscoon
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jeremy02 said:
Get a good lawyer asap.
njmuscleguy
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Hey, I don't mean to hijack, but I was just reading a brief on patentstorm.com and saw this about 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone (one of the major components of phyto-test)...
Eric, any thoughts on this to put our minds at ease?
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However, the effectiveness of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone has been limited due to difficulties that the human body encounters in converting the prodrug to its parent isoflavone in vivo. In some instances, its conversion into the desired parent compound, 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone, is limited, for example, because it is removed from the system through the "first pass effect," wherein the compound is metabolized by the liver prior to reaching general circulation. A large proportion of the prodrug also either does not undergo conversion or converts into undesirable products. It is estimated that approximately 50% of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone administered to a human is converted in vivo to 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone. Even where the desired bioconversion occurs, the rate of conversion can be sufficiently low that undesirably large quantities of the prodrug must be taken to achieve desired effects. This itself can have undesirable side effects.
It is advantageous in many instances to have a prodrug that may be administered in a convenient form, such as by oral, or sublingual administration. Many prodrugs have not been amenable to such administration, however, because they tend to be broken down prior to absorption in vivo when administered in this fashion.
Eric, any thoughts on this to put our minds at ease?
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However, the effectiveness of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone has been limited due to difficulties that the human body encounters in converting the prodrug to its parent isoflavone in vivo. In some instances, its conversion into the desired parent compound, 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone, is limited, for example, because it is removed from the system through the "first pass effect," wherein the compound is metabolized by the liver prior to reaching general circulation. A large proportion of the prodrug also either does not undergo conversion or converts into undesirable products. It is estimated that approximately 50% of the prodrug 5-methyl-7-methoxy isoflavone administered to a human is converted in vivo to 7-hydroxy-5-methyl-isoflavone. Even where the desired bioconversion occurs, the rate of conversion can be sufficiently low that undesirably large quantities of the prodrug must be taken to achieve desired effects. This itself can have undesirable side effects.
It is advantageous in many instances to have a prodrug that may be administered in a convenient form, such as by oral, or sublingual administration. Many prodrugs have not been amenable to such administration, however, because they tend to be broken down prior to absorption in vivo when administered in this fashion.
njmuscleguy said:
Yes, that is part of Biotest’s patent that they supplied for their carbonate ester version of methoxyisoflavone. It’s a very vague patent that doesn’t provide any references for a majority of the key points they make. (I have no idea what the “undesirable side effects” are.) Maybe it was a clever way for them to re-patent an unpatentable drug by attaching a carbonate ester to it. (giving them more protected profits)
Our Phyto-Test is delivered in a sublingual/buccal liquid delivery formula so its considerably better then tablet or pill delivery. One thing you can do to maximize the effectiveness of Phyto-Test is taking it multiple times per day while making sure you evenly spread your doses apart to keep steady blood levels (12hrs apart for 2x day, or 6hrs apart for 3x per day, ect)
-Pp
njmuscleguy
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But what about the mention that the liver destroys most of it before it's made available to the sytem? (first-pass).... this can be argued for most orals really...this is why alot of doctors think that most supplements are crap by the way....so I was hoping you'd say that something specific about phyto-test ensures that the key ingredients are as bioavailable as possible.
I just started using it...believe me, I WANT it to work
I just started using it...believe me, I WANT it to work
njmuscleguy said:
Even with our enhanced delivery system, there is still metabolism and ingredient sacrifice that takes place in the body (in the blood stream, liver, ect). It’s just a part of the drug pharmacokinetics. You just need to be sure that enough is getting in the system to have a desired effect. (which we know you are getting)
-Pp
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njmuscleguy
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Primordial Performance said:
Ok, that works for me... I'll let the results say the rest
Thanks!
Mugshot109
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They are trying to scare you into accepting a plea deal by charging you with ten counts. Have your lawyer flood the Prosecutor with discovery (evidence) requests. Also have your lawyer enter a Motion to Dismiss based on lack of evidence.
Keep on top of your lawyer. You really need to force them to do any work. Most lawyers stink and won't return your phone calls once they have your money.
Keep on top of your lawyer. You really need to force them to do any work. Most lawyers stink and won't return your phone calls once they have your money.
good post .. agreed for the most part .. derma boosted my sex drive quite a bit.. gave me that sense of well being ...slight aggression increase (actually liked lol) . and felt a slight strength increase .. didnt notice much in size gain though .. if the new stuff could provide that it would be an excellent mixnjmuscleguy said:
hurricane187 said:
Yes, and this is exactly why we say stack the two. ;-)
-Pp
digitizedsoul
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Primordial Performance said:
Thats what i'm doin.... combo is mad good in my opinion
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jeremy02
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Mugshot109 said:
My lawyer is pretty good. I printed out where my neighbor admitted he did "most"(basically all)of the calls, and my dad took it to my lawyer this morning. He should be taking it to the DA pretty soon.
Hopefully I can get out of this shit with no record, but it doesn't look like it.</font>
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jeremy02
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Ok, I started it today...this week were maxing, I figure it's good to get it in my system for a week before heavy school workouts starts. Took a serving around 7:30 this morning and another serving around 7:45 tonight.
I may have noticed a slight mood change this morning, but I definitely don't think it was due to the PT, as it was my first dose and the mood change was to happy, not aggressive or pissed off.
I may have noticed a slight mood change this morning, but I definitely don't think it was due to the PT, as it was my first dose and the mood change was to happy, not aggressive or pissed off.
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jeremy02
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Day two, nothing really to say except damn this stuff tastes horrible...but, hey, if it works, it's worth it.
Expecting to start "feeling it" around the end of week two.
Expecting to start "feeling it" around the end of week two.
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lartinos
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Its unfortunate that phyto-test caused this young man to roid rage and start harrasing other people.
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digitizedsoul
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lartinos said:
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digitizedsoul
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centy said:
lol why you say that bro?
digitizedsoul
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centy said:
Ahh gotchya, I had forgotten about that :\
My links stay greyed out from clicking previously, so I always just click page 4 or 5 or whatever the last page is. Sometimes I forget what the first post was even about in a thread haha.
If jeremy02 does his stuff right... he'll get gains. Phyto test is the real deal man i'm loving this stuff.
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jeremy02
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You have to remember I'm running this alone and not with a fat burner such as Lipoflame.
I did start a diet a few days before I started PT, so it will be hard to attribute any leaning out to either.
Last night after I got done with two bench cycles of 125x12, 135x10, 155x8, 175x6, 185x6, 205x4 and 135x10, 155x8, 185x4, 205x2, and some tricept pulldowns and curls, a few hours later at home I noticed the veins around my shoulders/pecks(upper)actually had detail. You can always see them under the skin, but I was able to make a few of them protrude. I'm not sure what I can attribute that to.
Max week is over and real workouts started today. Should be able to tell at least a little more by the end of next week what's up.
Pretty sure it's day three or four.
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Taking this stuff as close to exactly twelve hours apart as I can. I think so far I've been off by maybe a couple minutes...nothing much.
I did start a diet a few days before I started PT, so it will be hard to attribute any leaning out to either.
Last night after I got done with two bench cycles of 125x12, 135x10, 155x8, 175x6, 185x6, 205x4 and 135x10, 155x8, 185x4, 205x2, and some tricept pulldowns and curls, a few hours later at home I noticed the veins around my shoulders/pecks(upper)actually had detail. You can always see them under the skin, but I was able to make a few of them protrude. I'm not sure what I can attribute that to.
Max week is over and real workouts started today. Should be able to tell at least a little more by the end of next week what's up.
Pretty sure it's day three or four.
EDIT:
Taking this stuff as close to exactly twelve hours apart as I can. I think so far I've been off by maybe a couple minutes...nothing much.
jeremy02 said:
You could break up that dose into 3x a day too if you wanted to keep your blood levels even more steady.
-Pp
perryscoon
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centy said:
This is my favorite thread.
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jeremy02
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Primordial Performance said:
I've thought about that. How big a difference would it make? If it doesn't matter too much, I'll just not do that so I don't gotta go through the trouble of taking it at school.
jeremy02 said:
It would help ensure your blood levels remained more consistent for the best possible results, but if its a hassle dont worry about it.
-Pp
needtogetaas
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Lets ask pp to make it happen.mus1cjunk1e said:
