PH Stacking for Different Goals

[growin']

OK, when we use steroids, we stack them to take the best of each and get a synergistic effect. What about with PH? Of course you could combine more PH in any stack, but I have limited them to 2 for comparison purposes. Also, I suppose you could replace 1-Test with 1AD or 3Alpha as they are all similar in nature. These are some ideas I am throwing around:

Bulking
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1. 4AD
2. 1-Test
Good bulk from the 4AD, but less water due to the 1-Test. HUGE strength increases from using two highly androgenic substances.

or

1. 4AD
2. Nordiol
Basically a Test/Deca stack. A little bloat from each. Overall strength and size increases.

or

1. 4AD
2. 1,4 Andro
Bulk from 4AD with increase in appetite from the 1,4 andro. Would estrogen be a problem on this one?

Cutting
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1. 1-Test
2. Nordiol
Nordiol produces less water retention than 4AD, and the 1-test should further reduce that. Both should help retain muscle.

or

1. 1-Test
2. 1,4 Andro
1,4 if its really like EQ, should increase vascularity, but the hunger increase may be a problem. The 1-Test will lower estrogen, making cutting easier/faster. 1-Test should also keep strength up.

 

[riskybizz007]

Some people claim the 1,4 andro increases appetite. If this is the case I wouldn't recommend it for cutting unless you like to try to cut w/ an increased appetite.

Some say the 1Test would be an excellent for cutting b/c it helps preserve the muscle, I have yet to hear of someone using it for cutting purposes so I can't comment on that. 4AD spray and 19Nordiol also seem pretty good options, if the 19Nor functions at all like deca it will help you retain a positive nitrogen balance while cutting. Only thing that would bug would probobly be carrying around the extra water.

I haven't heard still not one person using 1,4 andro. To me the 4AD has always sucked, but some users like it. I would really like to experiment w/ the 1,4 andro (oral) and 1-Test transdermal for bulking. If the 1,4 works better than 4AD it would be a kick ass cycle and you'll probobly be 1 hungry ass MF.

 

[growin']

I was impressed with 4AD. I totally agree, I have not heard a damn thing, good or bad, about 1,4. What the hell?

 

[riskybizz007]

I've been checking 2 boards and asking around for users of 1,4 and have come up w/ zilch. The people who have used it used it in conjunction w/ something else so i really can't say what worked and what didn't. But since 4AD has never worked for me, I'm thinking maybe the 1,4 would probobly be a better choice for me. Now i just have to wait out in my offtime and save some money so i can go through w/ it.

 

[growin']

You gonna use 1-Test this time, or stick to 1AD?

I am really interested in using topical Nordiol. I will try it by itself to see how it works. Then, maybe this summer I'll hit a nordiol/1-Test stack to cut, and hit a 4AD/Nordiol/1-Test to bulk in fall.

 

[Par Deus]

Also, I suppose you could replace 1-Test with 1AD or 3Alpha as they are all similar in nature.

3Alpha is a DHT precursor, and DHT is deactivated in muscle tissue via 3beta-HSD, which is why no one uses DHT as an anabolic despite its being extremely potent at the receptor -- so, comparing it to 1-AD and 1-test isn't really accurate.

 

[Par Deus]

To me the 4AD has always sucked, but some users like it.

Have you used it as a topical???

 

[growin']

3Alpha is a DHT precursor, and DHT is deactivated in muscle tissue via 3beta-HSD, which is why no one uses DHT as an anabolic despite its being extremely potent at the receptor -- so, comparing it to 1-AD and 1-test isn't really accurate.

Thanks for clarifying that Par. So I guess you are left with ONE as a topical, or 1AD if you prefer the oral route. Just throwing out some options.

Par Deus, what do you think of a Nordiol/1-Test stack for cutting? My thinking is this would be like a Deca/Winny stack, seeing as 1-Test seems to reduce water. You may gain a little water, but you should hold onto muscle/strength well with this.

 

[riskybizz007]

Growin', i'm tapering off the 1AD this week, and I actually gained another pound. Today in my workout i felt so tight i couldn't move that well. Man, i'm up 16 pounds and i'm thinking about calling again and just continuing the cycle to see where I end up. I have 2 hours before store closes... ahhhhhh! what should i do?????

 

[riskybizz007]

Par no i have not used the topical... I had a shit load of oral pills and I'd take 10 spaced out throughout the day. About 1g/day. Strength went up big time but no weight gain. Next time i'll try the topical.

 

[growin']

Risky, I have only used topical 4AD, it was good stuff.

Sometimes you got to call it quits and let the body re-coup. Don't call the store man, its not worth it. Let it pass, you'll get over that tight little bottle of 1AD. You just wait, there will be a new bottle, a better bottle. A few months from now, you'll be over that cycle, and you'll be bigger than ever.

-The above is merely a poor attempt at humor.

 

[Par Deus]

Par Deus, what do you think of a Nordiol/1-Test stack for cutting? My thinking is this would be like a Deca/Winny stack, seeing as 1-Test seems to reduce water. You may gain a little water, but you should hold onto muscle/strength well with this.

Because of its expense, in my opinion, Nordiol is really only a good option for those concerned about hairloss, and 1-test is very potent at the receptor, so it would kind of defeat the purpose in that regard, and if that is not a concern, 1-test is a better buy, due to being much more potent.

 

[pa1ad]

Re: Re: PH Stacking for Different Goals

3Alpha is a DHT precursor, and DHT is deactivated in muscle tissue via 3beta-HSD, which is why no one uses DHT as an anabolic despite its being extremely potent at the receptor -- so, comparing it to 1-AD and 1-test isn't really accurate.

3alpha DHT is a very good DHT precursor......in the prostate. The boldione advertisement used prostate data to support the superior conversion. Conversion in the prostate is of course completely irrelevant to the rest of the body. I am eager to here what conversion happens in the rest of the body, or, if there is any evidence on this

DHT is deactivated by 3alpha-HSD BTW, not beta

 

[pa1ad]

Growin', i'm tapering off the 1AD this week, and I actually gained another pound. Today in my workout i felt so tight i couldn't move that well. Man, i'm up 16 pounds and i'm thinking about calling again and just continuing the cycle to see where I end up. I have 2 hours before store closes... ahhhhhh! what should i do?????

Save your nuts, stop your cycle. Or fuck the nuts and just stay on. I dunno

 

[pa1ad]

Risky, I have only used topical 4AD, it was good stuff.

Sometimes you got to call it quits and let the body re-coup. Don't call the store man, its not worth it. Let it pass, you'll get over that tight little bottle of 1AD. You just wait, there will be a new bottle, a better bottle. A few months from now, you'll be over that cycle, and you'll be bigger than ever.

Thank you, that was very inspiring. "The future always holds a better bottle for those who are patient" - Confuscion

 

[growin']

Thank you. I try, my weary brain has taken a beating this week at work though, so humor will be limited in both quality and quantity.

If 3Alpha converts so well in the prostate, does that mean it has a higher probability of causing prostate problems/hypertrophy? ie: it would be more problematic than 1AD or 1-Test in regards to the prostate?

 

[riskybizz007]

I guess you're right Growin'... i should wait and hit it again. Problem now is waiting, I did a 5 week cycle and I hate to wait another 5 weeks to start again. Guess i just need some patience now...

 

[Par Deus]

Re: Re: Re: PH Stacking for Different Goals

DHT is deactivated by 3alpha-HSD BTW, not beta

At least I got the "3" right