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permanent increased sex drive?

Gumaro

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as a teen and my early 20s, i had a normal libido. ive only done two cycles, which were in my early mid20s. my libido increased of course. now at 30, my sex drive has been higher than it was in my teens (weekends i get off, wether alone or with someone, 5-8 times. weekdays 1-3 times). has anyone experienced this? is this a cause of AAS use? i always thought that once you hit your 30s, your libido goes down
 
my brother is 33 and just like that... he has never done an aas either so... you are just one of the lucky ones :)
 
Hopefully it will level out or not increase as you get into yur 50's and 60's. Imagine being a super hornball as you reach old age yet since you're all wrinkly like a prune and saggy noone's gonna wanna do ya.
That would be sheer punishment. :)
 
My friend I am 33 and I go through the same think. You were born a pervert/nympho accept it and enjoy. I have a 21yr old that cant keep up with me right now. So who know what will happen when we get to 40. Hope I never have to use viagra or cialis...LOL
 
chicagobuffedbod said:
Hopefully it will level out or not increase as you get into yur 50's and 60's. Imagine being a super hornball as you reach old age yet since you're all wrinkly like a prune and saggy noone's gonna wanna do ya.
That would be sheer punishment. :)
Wrinkly, prune and saggy at 50 and no one will want to do you? You'll have to point that out to me.
 
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chicagobuffedbod said:
Hopefully it will level out or not increase as you get into yur 50's and 60's. Imagine being a super hornball as you reach old age yet since you're all wrinkly like a prune and saggy noone's gonna wanna do ya.
That would be sheer punishment. :)


I agree with Ulter, who siad 50's are old and wrinkley? I dont plan on that happening until 80's.
 
Gumaro said:
as a teen and my early 20s, i had a normal libido. ive only done two cycles, which were in my early mid20s. my libido increased of course. now at 30, my sex drive has been higher than it was in my teens (weekends i get off, wether alone or with someone, 5-8 times. weekdays 1-3 times). has anyone experienced this? is this a cause of AAS use? i always thought that once you hit your 30s, your libido goes down


you a woman? well perhaps you are more secure in yourself, on cycle and have met some very sexy woman who keeps you interested at all times?

This sign of good life healthy sex drive, do not complain go enjoy! :artist:
 
im a guy. well here are the reason why i complain about it and why its not enjoyable. i masturbate more often than i can get laid. so much that my penis gets sore and masturbation and sex can sometimes be painful. on the occasions that i do find a female to sleep with, i sometimes need viagra (cialis right now) if i have masturbaed too much throughout the weekdays. i masturbate so much that i dont acheive a full erection. hell, sometimes i masturbate without a full erection. there are other times that i dont even feel an orgasm after i cum.

i doubt things like these are normal. i dont remember being this way when i was younger. the first time i used test i thought to myself "wow, the increased libido is awesome". now i feel that my libido is higher than it was at previous ages, even while i was on. i could be wrong about that last statement but it does feel that way. anyway, it blows not having a good orgasm all the time and what kind of doctor would you see for this? a psych?
 
Gumaro said:
im a guy. well here are the reason why i complain about it and why its not enjoyable. i masturbate more often than i can get laid. so much that my penis gets sore and masturbation and sex can sometimes be painful. on the occasions that i do find a female to sleep with, i sometimes need viagra (cialis right now) if i have masturbaed too much throughout the weekdays. i masturbate so much that i dont acheive a full erection. hell, sometimes i masturbate without a full erection. there are other times that i dont even feel an orgasm after i cum.

i doubt things like these are normal. i dont remember being this way when i was younger. the first time i used test i thought to myself "wow, the increased libido is awesome". now i feel that my libido is higher than it was at previous ages, even while i was on. i could be wrong about that last statement but it does feel that way. anyway, it blows not having a good orgasm all the time and what kind of doctor would you see for this? a psych?

Becareful now that it doesn't become mental. Don't look at it like you have a problem look at it like a gift. How many guys can go 2 and 3 rounds with there girl. I laugh when i hear my boys girls get mad at him for coming in under the influence and only gave her 15 mins. My boys tell me I am sick and I have a problem, shit we share women that are not our main girls, we take turns hitting them. They have to sit back and watch me work. The best part about it, they use that to big me up when are pickin up chicks and the girls get curious
I use it to my advantage, I meet a new girl I give her 1 round until she nuts and then i nut, then I ask if she is ready again and she will be all suprised and will say yes. Then I give her 45 mins -1hr, but I make sure I am not bruising her up or she wont give my ass anymore. Then I tell her I will never tell you NO if you want more just ask. She will put me to the test and thats how you keep them for a long time....cool uh
 
I hate to say this but.. im 26 married and can do it more than 5 times a day... My wife puts out once every 4 days.... it sucks.... and torture to sleep in bed and not have sex...... errrrrrr
 
misticat said:
I hate to say this but.. im 26 married and can do it more than 5 times a day... My wife puts out once every 4 days.... it sucks.... and torture to sleep in bed and not have sex...... errrrrrr
Trade her, you are still young. :)
 
Gumaro said:
im a guy. well here are the reason why i complain about it and why its not enjoyable. i masturbate more often than i can get laid. so much that my penis gets sore and masturbation and sex can sometimes be painful. on the occasions that i do find a female to sleep with, i sometimes need viagra (cialis right now) if i have masturbaed too much throughout the weekdays. i masturbate so much that i dont acheive a full erection. hell, sometimes i masturbate without a full erection. there are other times that i dont even feel an orgasm after i cum.

i doubt things like these are normal. i dont remember being this way when i was younger. the first time i used test i thought to myself "wow, the increased libido is awesome". now i feel that my libido is higher than it was at previous ages, even while i was on. i could be wrong about that last statement but it does feel that way. anyway, it blows not having a good orgasm all the time and what kind of doctor would you see for this? a psych?

Bro don't mind fuck yourself to death over it. Sounds like a phase or something like that. Man up.
 
Quit jacking off so much and find a hobby to take your mind off of it. Cardio, lifting, biking, playing guitar, etc....I'm not hating on masterbation, but if you have to jack off 5 times a day then you need to re-evaluate.

Or you could take Letro to supress your estrogen - which would supress your libido. Just don't go overboard with it. Your body needs some estrogen to remain balanced.
 
you always hear people talk about their sex drive when they were 18 and what not. its all about the person though, and when you fully blossomed. i have never been hornier in my life since i turned 24 almost two years ago. i never was even close to it. i can't handle how horney i am on and off steroids except for when i took deca. even then though i was horney i just could not nut. eq makes me a gorilla and the proviron makes it worse. i dont' know you are just lucky. women are hornier in their 30's anyway so take it as a gift and have fun
 
Dude I'm the same way.. This is the main reason y i haven't used test yet.. Once the tide turns which i hope it doesn't then i'll turn to the dark side... :) ... Just enjoy it.. And def slow down jaking off....
 
qstorm said:
Trade her, you are still young. :)

Hehe... thats what everyone tells me... I cant though i like her to much.. It is the most frustrating thing i have ever had to deal with, I am a moody bitch too when i dont get any
 
My sex drive peaked at about 35. I'm 43 and I still have to bust at least 3 times a day. At 35 it was 6-8 just for mainenance. Trust me....it will taper after 40!
 
How the fuck do you guys beat off 5 times a day?

my dick get irritated and sore if i do it more than twice in a day.. :worried:
 
misticat said:
I hate to say this but.. im 26 married and can do it more than 5 times a day... My wife puts out once every 4 days.... it sucks.... and torture to sleep in bed and not have sex...... errrrrrr


Are you pro marriage guys reading this???
 
bigred133 said:
Try a 40 year old MILF. she will keep up with you just fine.


And she'll deliberately stand on her head after you nut in her so it increases her chances of becoming prego and trapping your ass for 18 yrs.
 
chicagobuffedbod said:
Hopefully it will level out or not increase as you get into yur 50's and 60's. Imagine being a super hornball as you reach old age yet since you're all wrinkly like a prune and saggy noone's gonna wanna do ya.
That would be sheer punishment. :)

Sure there are people that will want to do ya - saggy old female prunes - and you'd jump on it in second. :p
 
my buddy he's still horny enough to bang the old broads our own age but to me they just don't look good so i am stuck with the frustration of trying to find something young and hot before i get tired at like 10pm. i think if i was more like i used to be or like him i would be better off at least then i would be getting some work here and there
 
sic spit said:
How the fuck do you guys beat off 5 times a day?

my dick get irritated and sore if i do it more than twice in a day.. :worried:
thats one of my complaints. its sore so it makes intercourse painful
 
when I was 24 I had the chance at a 37 y old milf freaking hot ...damn, and I didn't pull it off.

probably good, she was our neighbour, and married, lol.
 
Gumaro said:
im a guy. well here are the reason why i complain about it and why its not enjoyable. i masturbate more often than i can get laid. so much that my penis gets sore and masturbation and sex can sometimes be painful. on the occasions that i do find a female to sleep with, i sometimes need viagra (cialis right now) if i have masturbaed too much throughout the weekdays. i masturbate so much that i dont acheive a full erection. hell, sometimes i masturbate without a full erection. there are other times that i dont even feel an orgasm after i cum.

i doubt things like these are normal. i dont remember being this way when i was younger. the first time i used test i thought to myself "wow, the increased libido is awesome". now i feel that my libido is higher than it was at previous ages, even while i was on. i could be wrong about that last statement but it does feel that way. anyway, it blows not having a good orgasm all the time and what kind of doctor would you see for this? a psych?

I know what you mean. I've always had a high libido and it's not as great as some people would think it would be. It's actually annoying to have to "get it out of your system" every couple hours just to "function normally". I'm in my mid 20s and it seems that the older I get the worst it's getting. The worst part is that I have a bf that can't go more than once a day. I unfortunately can EASILY go 6-8 times a day and have multiple orgasms each time. I talked my my gyno about it and she said that there are no meds available to curb my libido. *sigh* Good luck man. *smiles*
 
medical said:
This is my 53 yo MILF........
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/94bubf/lisaLL.jpg
Better bring your cialis and viagra to hang with her! Them legs is 36" of pure sex.
Yes! I love older women. My 46 yo GF is a sex crazed maniac. Count your blessings medical. Young women may look good on your arm, but all the 20-something gals I had were sooooo boring in bed. They're like "are you done yet?" WTF!? I'd much rather be with someone who can stimulate me mentally as well as physically, and keep it going all night.
 
OMG OMG I LOVVVVVVVVVVE OLDER WOMEN!! , at 17 I was dating a 35 year old and was living with her and her son in a apartment in queens NY , he was 18 I was 17 (I told him I was 24 for 4 months I stayed there and the kid believed it!) She of course knew my age, but let me tell you.. She was the second person I had sex with and Oh my GOD did she teach me a whole new world of fun =P Older women are the BEST . After her I dated a 30 yo hair stylist back on the beaches where im from and all my 18-19-20 year old friends were like DAMN man HOW are you PULLING that? hahahaha I loved it =P Until the ex 45 year old boyfriend decides he wants her back and comes and attacks me in a dark bedroom with my pants down by my ankles. But thats a long story to get into =) Needless to say HE got what he deserved.

Man.. I miss those days , im 21 now and like someone said the girls my age just dont know what the fuck is up in bed. Its ethier there kinky as fuck and loose as a goose *which makes you wonder* or they are tight as fuck and no expierence, *my current girlfriend is the tight type =)* But hey... with all the stuff ive learned from older women, I can pass on the knowledge to the youngn's and teach them proper!

-Liquid
 
Welcome to the sexy side of life.

Ok...I'm coming out of the closet on this board. My wife and I are in the lifestyle, i.e. what some would call swingers. We believe that "Sex is what adults do for fun"...and we like having fun...with lots of people. You would never know it to meet us since we are both in business and need to maintain the conservative, suburban facade.

I'm 47, she's 36. On a weekend we have sex 4-6 times...and on a good night with the right people, 4-5 times in a night with 4-5 other people each.

There are lots of older people who have taken care of themselves who love sex. We know one couple that is 63 and 58 and have less body fat than us and can go all night. Getting older doesn't mean getting worse or getting less desirable. Most twenty-something men and women that join us sometimes can't keep up. They are naturally somewhat horny, but don't have the training or stamina to do anything more than an hour or so. Which reminds me, we sort of have a 28 year old rule...we typically don't play with anyone under 28 because...well...they just don't get it. We'll tell them "its just sex", but they don't get the "this is here and now" and then over. We've had some touchy times with a few under 28 who brought up a past event in the wrong place with the wrong other people standing around.

On cycle right now, I want it from at least 3 times a day. My wife and I have trouble with that sometimes because of all the stuff we need to take care of with the kids, but once they're in bed, mom's getting all she can take. (with her face pressed in to a pillow so the kids don't hear. :-) )

Believe it or not, women sometimes are just as horny as men. My wife masterbates about 3-4 times a day too because, like I said, we can't always hook up with the kids around, but we can ensure each other gets a few mintues alone to take care of things. Trust me, in marriage, happiness is a woman who just came.

Having sex is like working out. Everyone does it, but some are serious about it and some just go to the gym and walk around and then complain that they don't see any results. Some are all natural and some use chemicals for better performance. If sex is your sport, like it is for us, then you train for it and play it with others who are in the sport...including some semi-pros and pros.

Enjoy it. Like I said, It's what adults do for fun.
 
Addendum: an article on Women, Testosterone, and Libido:

(reproduced rather than linked for your convenience.)

Meeting Women's Desire for Desire
Testosterone Fix Risky, Say Some Experts

By Lynn Crawford Cook
Special to The Washington Post
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; HE01



If you could follow gynecologist Jessica Berger-Weiss around in her Silver Spring office for a day, you might be surprised by what you hear. Four to five times a day, every day, women in their thirties, forties and fifties emotionally tell Berger-Weiss about a problem they think is uniquely theirs: "Doctor, I just don't have any interest in sex."

Women in midlife are inundated with emotional and physical reasons why they can't experience a fulfilling sex life. Who hasn't heard the jokes about couples saying so long to sex once they have children? Add in typical midlife events such as stress, illness, depression, medications, relationship problems and plain old boredom, and it's no wonder some middle-aged women have little interest in intimate relations. "Though loss of sex drive is unfortunate, it is common -- almost universal," said Andrew Goldstein, co-director of the Sexual Wellness Center in Annapolis.

"Libido is very important for a relationship," said Goldstein. "If a woman has no desire, the responsibility [for initiating sex] always falls to her partner. Of course, partners become very unhappy. They take it personally. They feel rejected."

Although many factors contribute to low sexual desire in women, Goldstein said that for some there is an underlying biological mechanism at work. Goldstein is an investigator in a study of Intrinsa, a Procter & Gamble (P&G) testosterone patch that the company hopes will provide a medical solution for women's diminished desire. He and many of his colleagues believe that testosterone can restore sex drive in some women.

Like all hormones, testosterone works by stimulating an area of the brain, in this case the area associated with sexual desire. Usually thought of as a male hormone, testosterone is produced by women as well, albeit in small amounts, beginning at puberty. Women produce testosterone primarily in their ovaries with a small amount produced by the adrenal glands. Between the ages of 30 and 50, a woman's ovaries gradually shut down in the process leading up to menopause. By the time a woman is 40, her testosterone level has declined by up to 50 percent. After menopause, it drops even further.

Goldstein, Berger-Weiss and dozens of other physicians in the Washington area offer testosterone therapy to women seeking to improve their sex lives. Although the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved a testosterone-only product for women, citing the lack of long-term safety data, some physicians prescribe methyltestosterone, an estrogen-testosterone combination designed to treat symptoms of menopause. Some, like Berger-Weiss, refer patients to compounding pharmacies, which make customized testosterone products.

But is it normal, or even desirable, for a middle-aged woman to have the testosterone level of someone much younger?

"It's not natural for it [testosterone] to be there [after a certain age]," said James Simon, a clinical professor at George Washington University Medical School. However, he said, "only in the last 100 years have women lived long enough to need hormone therapy. In every other species, females die when their reproductive ability goes away. Historically, we don't know what 'normal' is," said Simon, who is also involved in the P&G research.

A Fact of Life?

Low libido is the most common sexual disorder in women, according to the 1994 National Health and Social Life Survey, in which one in three female respondents said they were uninterested in sex. Hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD) -- defined as "persistently or recurrently deficient (or absent) sexual fantasies and desire for sexual activity" -- has been listed in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) since 1987.

"Women are raising the issue with their physicians as frequently if not more so than men," according to Berger-Weiss.

Numerous studies over the past 20 years have established the therapeutic value of testosterone for restoring women's libido. A review of the research published in the journal Menopause last year concluded that "certain types of testosterone therapy were associated with higher frequency of sexual activity . . . desire, thoughts and fantasies, arousal, responsiveness, and pleasure."

In 2000, the New England Journal of Medicine published the results of some of the first studies of the P&G patch, which showed that testosterone markedly improved sexual function in women whose ovaries had been surgically removed. In the past year, several more published studies have shown significant improvement in the libidos of surgically menopausal women who used the patch. So far, there have been no published studies of women who have gone through menopause naturally, although P&G is funding research on that group.

Last year, the journal published an article showing the patch prompted substantial improvement in low-libido women who had gone through natural menopause. Most recently, Intrinsa was found to slightly improve sexual function in pre-menopausal women, as published in the journal Menopause.

Hormones play a critical role in all aspects of reproductive health, according to Judith Reichman, "Today" show medical correspondent and author of "I'm Not in the Mood" (William Morrow & Co., 1998). Women need estrogen for lubrication and comfort during sex. But they need testosterone to feel desire in the first place. With diminished testosterone, Reichman said, women don't just lose desire for their partners, they lose desire for any partner.

Some women's health advocates oppose the use of pharmaceuticals to stimulate sex drive. According to Leonore Tiefer, associate professor at New York University Medical School, "There are no norms in terms of sexual desire, nor could there ever be any." Treating lack of libido with a drug "causes a lack of attention to real sexual problems and their sources. Just because a chemical produces a response is no reason to think the situation prior was a medical condition," she says.

What's the Problem?

For some women, lack of desire is not a problem. Like the late writer Hunter S. Thompson, they are glad to finally dismount the "wild stallion" they've been riding most of their adult lives and settle down to other pursuits. But many who no longer enjoy sexual satisfaction miss it -- a lot.

Jean Atkins, 53, of suburban Maryland, said she lost interest in sex completely after a hysterectomy and removal of her ovaries three years ago. Until that time, sexual desire was a normal part of her life. After the surgery, she said, "it was the furthest thing from my mind."

Atkins mourned the loss of what had been an important part of her relationship with her husband. "He was very understanding," she said. "But we were both just kind of disappointed." When a friend told her that P&G's testosterone patch was being tested in a clinical trial, Atkins jumped at the chance to enroll in it.

Now she is welcoming sex back into her life.

"I notice a difference. I think about sex more than I have in years," Atkins said. After completing her part in the study, she learned that she had received Intrinsa, not the placebo against which it was being compared. Although she experienced some of the common side effects of testosterone, such as an extra facial hair or two, she plans to continue taking testosterone.

How Much Is Enough?

Blood testosterone levels in women have not been shown to correspond with libido. According to Simon, "In men there is a correspondence -- the more testosterone, the more erections and sexual thoughts." But while men may be more creatures of their hormones, said Simon, "women are very complex" in their sexual responses.

Further confounding the issue is that measurements of testosterone are not reliable in women. Because women produce so little of the hormone, testosterone tests, which were developed for men, are not sensitive enough to provide an accurate measurement.

In a study published in the July 6 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, researchers in Australia (one of whom receives funding from P&G) found no association between low libido and low blood testosterone levels. They wrote, "The measurement of serum testosterone . . . in individuals with low sexual function is not informative and levels of these hormones should not be used for the purpose of diagnosing (testosterone) insufficiency in women."

In other words, said Simon, with female sexual function, "Treat the symptom, not the blood test."

The Hormone of Desire

The 1990s saw several books about the benefits of testosterone for loss of sexual desire. "The Hormone of Desire" by Susan Rako (Harmony Books, 1994) decried the "patronizing, dismissive and irresponsibly uninformed" attitude of medical establishment toward the female sex drive.

Reichman created a stir when she appeared on Oprah Winfrey's television show with her book "I'm Too Young to Get Old: Health Care for Women Over Forty" (Times Books, 1996), and touted testosterone for increasing libido. Demand for the product spiked after that broadcast, according to compounding pharmacists.

That was nearly a decade ago. At the time, Reichman declared a "revolution" in testosterone use. But revolutions can be a long time in the making, and they seldom come without a battle.

Perceiving a potentially huge market, P&G developed Intrinsa, the first in a new class of drugs designed specifically for women's sexual problems. The product has been in clinical trials throughout the United States, Australia and Europe for more than six years.

Last December, the FDA denied approval of Intrinsa. Testimony from Tiefer and others persuaded an advisory panel that there were not enough long-term data to prove the product is safe.

In addition, Tiefer says, off-label use of Intrinsa was likely, meaning physicians would prescribe it in wider populations, such as pre-menopausal women and post-menopausal women who still had their ovaries. There are no studies of Intrinsa's safety in these women, Tiefer said.

Jan Shifren, director of the Vincent Menopause Program at Massachusetts General Hospital, is investigating the use of Intrinsa in women who have gone through natural menopause. All the women in Shifren's study expressed dissatisfaction with their sex lives. Her data show that the testosterone patch restored their desire. She presented this research at a meeting of the North American Menopause Society last year.

Both the women receiving testosterone and those receiving a placebo reported an increase in frequency of intercourse and sexual pleasure. Researchers can only speculate as to why this placebo effect occurred -- the desire of participants to have a better sex life, for example, or improved communication with their partners.

"We could never assume that this treatment would be suitable for everyone. If we see a pre-menopausal woman with low sexual desire, we treat the other causes first," says Shifren. "It's not a tablet you take an hour before you have sexual relations. It's a hormone designed for long-term use."

And that's precisely what bothers critics like Tiefer. "It was tested against a placebo for only six months," Tiefer said in a written statement. "This is grossly inadequate to evaluate long-term cardiovascular risk and rule out worries about breast cancer."

P&G issued a statement in December saying it hopes to work with the FDA to provide additional safety data. Until that time, many physicians like Berger-Weiss are comfortable prescribing compounded testosterone and combination testosterone-estrogen therapies.

Women Do Care

After more than six years of taking testosterone she obtains from a compounding pharmacy, Fran Way, 72, a retired nurse practitioner in Fort Meyers, Fla., feels better about her whole life. Not only did the testosterone cream she applies each day restore her desire for intimacy, she said, "for me, it even caused the return of sexual dreams and fantasies."

Way wishes more women were aware of testosterone. "We seem to think that women are just bored or dissatisfied with their relationships. I watch some of our friends who have been in relationships for a long time. There is no seductiveness. It seems they have just settled."

Simon has made a similar observation. "Some in our profession think that women don't care [about sex]. We would never say that about a man. Women do care more than we think. Women are entitled to a healthy sex life." ·
 
misticat said:
I hate to say this but.. im 26 married and can do it more than 5 times a day... My wife puts out once every 4 days.... it sucks.... and torture to sleep in bed and not have sex...... errrrrrr


ding ding ding ding..

you married my ex's sister???

that's why she is the ex...

time to move on.. she is using you as a meal ticket.. use her as a prostitute for that is what she is...

she needs to learn that by doing this she is making you feel unloved, so if she cannot make you feel loved, and or wanted you will not live like that..

plan and simple.. don't make a threat, just say you will not live that way..
 
solidspine said:
Get married, it will go down the same day!
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/09.19/01-testosterone.html

Marriage lowers testosterone
Hormones range less on the homestead
By William J. Cromie
Gazette Staff

A man's testosterone levels drop significantly when he holds an infant. Even holding a baby doll can decrease levels of the male virility hormone.

Married men, whether fathers or not, have markedly lower testosterone levels than single males, according to one of the first studies of how the hormone changes when men marry and become fathers. Results of the study, done by a team of Harvard University anthropologists, increase our knowledge of human biology and may have implications for so-called "male menopause."

Researchers have long suspected that levels of the hormone largely responsible for fighting, competing, and mating decrease when men settle down and start a family. Other studies have shown that testosterone begins to decline shortly after marriage, but surges upward when unions end in divorce.

"It makes sense," notes Peter Ellison, professor of anthropology. "Lower levels of testosterone may increase the likelihood that men will stay home and care for their wives and kids, while decreasing the likelihood they will go out drinking with the guys and chase other women."

To pin down precisely how hormones vary between single men, married men without children, and married men with children, graduate student Peter Gray and his colleagues tested a total of 58 men in the three categories. Testosterone can easily be measured by analysis of saliva, and the men, all from the Boston area, willingly spat for science. Forty-eight of the 58, who ranged in age from 20 to 41 years, were affiliated with Harvard University.

The analyses showed little difference between married men with and without children, but both had significantly lower testosterone levels than unmarried fellows.

The men also took written tests to indicate how much time each one spent with his wife and children. They answered questions about how much attention they gave their wives on their last day off, rather than golfing or hanging around with male friends. Those with higher scores on these "spousal investment" quizzes had lower testosterone levels.

"These results suggest that testosterone levels involve a trade-off between mating and parenting efforts," says Gray. "Single men invest only in mating, while fathers decrease their mating efforts in favor of parenting."
Hormones and behavior

The next question to answer is whether the same changes in testosterone occur in other societies where mating and parenting behaviors differ from those in the United States or Europe. Male Aka pygmies in Africa, for example, spend much more time holding babies than do men in California or England. In other parts of Africa, herders of sheep, goats, and cattle spent much less time with their children.

Gray just finished a study in Kenya where he tested the saliva of 88 Muslim men, some of whom had two wives. "I thought guys with two wives would have lower testosterone than those with one wife, but that turned out not to be so," notes Gray. "The connections we found between hormone levels among men in Kenya and those in Boston were much different than expected."

"Peter's work is important for showing that there is more variability in male hormones than you read about in medical textbooks," comments Ellison. "Understanding this variability has consequences for health and behavior that we never suspected 10 to 15 years ago."

Ellison, who is also dean of the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences at Harvard, has, with colleagues, looked at the effects of aging on testosterone levels in places as diverse as Boston, the Congo, Nepal, and Paraguay. The findings, soon to be published in the journal Human Reproduction, reveal that males in these countries have very different levels of testosterone in their 20s, but the amounts become about the same by age 60.

Boston men boasted the highest levels among young adult males, probably because of better diets and an environment that promotes rapid growth and development. "Investigations over the past 15 years show that women exhibit a similar pattern," Ellison points out. "Women of reproductive ages in Western industrial nations have higher levels of ovarian hormones than those in rural areas of undeveloped countries."

"These differences mean that social and ecological conditions exert a strong influence on how high reproductive hormones rise in young adults," Ellison says. "Not everyone's hormone levels are like those of people in Boston or London."
 
chicagobuffedbod said:
Hopefully it will level out or not increase as you get into yur 50's and 60's. Imagine being a super hornball as you reach old age yet since you're all wrinkly like a prune and saggy noone's gonna wanna do ya.
That would be sheer punishment. :)

The trick is to never get old looking via HRT and bang all the very young girls with Father issues.

It does level out and that is a relief.
 
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