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Permanent Gains
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Gains are never permanent. Should your training intensity drop or you just all out quit training you will loose muscle. There are too many factors that are involved in maintnace of muscle mass. The only constnat is that you can only carry the amount of muscle that your genetics will allow.
solidspine
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you will never have anything for ever, you will have to keep working at it, I am 52 an planning my summer cycle, enjoy the workouts!
Nathan
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I find that after a couple weeks I have generally stabilized and the post-cycle losses have stopped. It never last longer than 2 weeks since the gear clears the system for me. OF course what Beezers said is true, but I think Beach Boy was talking about the immediate inevitable loss, right? It is different everytime though and largely depends on the gear you use. The more water you retained then the more you will likely lose.
Beezers said:
If that is the case then what is the point in anyone doing a cycle?
What I'm getting from what you said is that whatever gains you do get that go beyond your natural potiential you eventually will lose reguardless,,, unless you use more gear.
Is that what you are saying?
BiggerisBetter
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crash3837 said:
more or less bro
hence why its called the "viscious cycle"
crash3837 said:
That would be a valid interpritation of what I'm saying. Fact is most people never do actually realize thier genetic pottential naturally so AS do serve a purpose to actually get them to that point. When one does get to the "natural" limit AS use pushes thier body's beyond what they can naturally accomidate. The artificial hormone levels are able to support far more muscle than endogenous hormone levels ever could. Shoul these supraphysiological hormone levels come back to baseline, muscle mass will, in time, come back to baseline, or the natural genetic predisposition. This is inevetable for all humans. This is why the Truely big boys have to stay on year round. Should they coome off they would loose a stagering amount of muscle tissue. Now, for the average trainee it woul not be nearly as noticable as they have far less muscle tissue to loose, but the losses occur none-the-less. This is why the one cycle only approach does not work unless you use that one and only cycle to realize your natural limits and not go beyond them. AS do not alter our genes, they only express them many-fold for the time that they are in the blood. Once they leave the blood stream the genes responisble for our muscularity will revert back to "normal" levels of expression and muscle will be lost.
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You can maintain all your actual muscle tissue gains up to your natural maximum weight but after that it takes roids to hold you much above that.
After the forth week you will have lost all the water gain and intracellular gylcogen BUT NO ACTUAL MUSCLE but only if you recovered natural test levels quickly.
To help this you need to use clomid properly and with a loading dose of 300 mg in divided doses on day one followed by clomid 50 mg/day for at least three weeks.
If your cycle was longer than 10 weeks or you have experienced testes shrinkage to a noticable degree then you should use H C G at 500 iu's/day either IM or subQ for the last two weeks of the cycle and before clomid.
Be sure to take 20 of nolva while on H C G as H C G can cause gyno.
Let me add that you still need to train post cycle BUT you need to train as a natural would....so many roid users don't have a clue how to train without juice and then they end up over training post cycle and this causes muscle loss and or injury.
You need to cut your training volume in half, unless you are already a low volume guy. Intensity needs to be kept high but not too much so...careful with the forced reps etc.
You need to get plenty of sleep and continue to eat a lot of protein but 1.25 grams per pound of body weight is plenty while off the juice.
I would also recommend that you train less frequntly throughout the week.
RG
After the forth week you will have lost all the water gain and intracellular gylcogen BUT NO ACTUAL MUSCLE but only if you recovered natural test levels quickly.
To help this you need to use clomid properly and with a loading dose of 300 mg in divided doses on day one followed by clomid 50 mg/day for at least three weeks.
If your cycle was longer than 10 weeks or you have experienced testes shrinkage to a noticable degree then you should use H C G at 500 iu's/day either IM or subQ for the last two weeks of the cycle and before clomid.
Be sure to take 20 of nolva while on H C G as H C G can cause gyno.
Let me add that you still need to train post cycle BUT you need to train as a natural would....so many roid users don't have a clue how to train without juice and then they end up over training post cycle and this causes muscle loss and or injury.
You need to cut your training volume in half, unless you are already a low volume guy. Intensity needs to be kept high but not too much so...careful with the forced reps etc.
You need to get plenty of sleep and continue to eat a lot of protein but 1.25 grams per pound of body weight is plenty while off the juice.
I would also recommend that you train less frequntly throughout the week.
RG
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wartime100
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It would be safe to brag about your gains after you work back up to where you were at, at the peak of your cycle. The loss of power is unavoidable but you should work back up to where you were while in the middle of you cycle.
Absolutely correct.crash3837 said:
The reason you see guys at 250lbs and 6% BF is because they just came off a cycle or have consistently been cycling.
You cannot pass your genetic potential WITHOUT the use of steroids. And even still, when you do pass your peak, (with the use of roids) your body will gradually shrink back to it's peak limit (unless of course, you do another cycle)
Sorry bro...that's just life.
But the great thing is, most of our 'genetic peaks' are a pretty decent size (unless of course you want to go Pro and make a serious living in bodybuilding)
Peace!
MJay95
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