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calveless wonder

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we all know i'm the opposite of PC(but i can get away with it), so don't expect anything less of this thread.

but...

indians, arabs and chinese people are THE worst to do business with. 99% of them

never had so many headaches, so much nickel and diming in my life. time after time. I don't make any judgements, but time and time again these people prove what pains in the asses they are. All want something for nothing. And not just in mortgages and real estate, but in other industries i've been in. When i see "Ali or muhammed" i don't even want to pick up the phone. They also think everyone is always out to screw them

black people are actually great, at least in my biz. some of my favorite/closest clients are black, usually church folk. usually in bad situations and just want you to help them. they don't nickel and dime at all.

Hispanics are the same...you build a relationship with them, and they're yours. but usually you have to be hispanic yourself, and 50% of the time speak spanish.

white people and europeans are great too, for the most part.
 
calveless wonder said:
we all know i'm the opposite of PC(but i can get away with it), so don't expect anything less of this thread.

but...

indians, arabs and chinese people are THE worst to do business with. 99% of them

never had so many headaches, so much nickel and diming in my life. time after time. I don't make any judgements, but time and time again these people prove what pains in the asses they are. All want something for nothing. And not just in mortgages and real estate, but in other industries i've been in. When i see "Ali or muhammed" i don't even want to pick up the phone. They also think everyone is always out to screw them

black people are actually great, at least in my biz. some of my favorite/closest clients are black, usually church folk. usually in bad situations and just want you to help them. they don't nickel and dime at all.

Hispanics are the same...you build a relationship with them, and they're yours. but usually you have to be hispanic yourself, and 50% of the time speak spanish.

white people and europeans are great too, for the most part.
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Agreed.
 
PuddleMonkey said:
+1 on Arabs and Chinese being a pain to deal with business wise.
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I thought you were going to say women.
 
calveless wonder said:
we all know i'm the opposite of PC(but i can get away with it), so don't expect anything less of this thread.

but...

indians, arabs and chinese people are THE worst to do business with. 99% of them

never had so many headaches, so much nickel and diming in my life. time after time. I don't make any judgements, but time and time again these people prove what pains in the asses they are. All want something for nothing. And not just in mortgages and real estate, but in other industries i've been in. When i see "Ali or muhammed" i don't even want to pick up the phone. They also think everyone is always out to screw them

black people are actually great, at least in my biz. some of my favorite/closest clients are black, usually church folk. usually in bad situations and just want you to help them. they don't nickel and dime at all.

Hispanics are the same...you build a relationship with them, and they're yours. but usually you have to be hispanic yourself, and 50% of the time speak spanish.

white people and europeans are great too, for the most part.
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Most of the time it's cultural differences, that nickel and diming is just how they do business small, large or just personal necessities. (And of course some people are just cheap and want something for nothing but they come in all colors.)

What really drives me is when someone hires me to do a job for them and they can not make any kind of decision or commitment without consulting all their family and friends about something that 90% of time their friends and family know nothing about or have no or little comparable experience. It always leads to unnecessary arguments and a breakdown in the long term relationship.

I also find that the majority of housewives that have never worked to be very difficult to deal with (too much time on their hands) while others can be so efficient, organized and on the ball that I'm just in awe.

I try to only take jobs with people that I can find common ground with and them with me otherwise there always seems to a tendency for misunderstanding or resentment when the pressure is on, no matter how clear you try to be with what you do and say. I'd rather make less money and have better clients but sometimes you don't have that luxury available to you. I also find that referrals from people that you like to work with to be of better quality as well.
 
velvett said:
Most of the time it's cultural differences, that nickel and diming is just how they do business small, large or just personal necessities. (And of course some people are just cheap and want something for nothing but they come in all colors.)

What really drives me is when someone hires me to do a job for them and they can not make any kind of decision or commitment without consulting all their family and friends about something that 90% of time their friends and family know nothing about or have no or little comparable experience. It always leads to unnecessary arguments and a breakdown in the long term relationship.

I also find that the majority of housewives that have never worked to be very difficult to deal with (too much time on their hands) while others can be so efficient, organized and on the ball that I'm just in awe.

I try to only take jobs with people that I can find common ground with and them with me otherwise there always seems to a tendency for misunderstanding or resentment no matter how clear you try to be with what you do and say. I'd rather make less money and have better clients but sometimes you don't have that luxury available to you. I also find that referrals from people that you like to work with to be of better quality as well.
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Dr.'s wives are the worse.

But, I think you nailed with the "have never worked".

I have done a lot of work for people who have come from wealthy families. They are the worse to get the money from.
 
velvett said:
Most of the time it's cultural differences, that nickel and diming is just how they do business small, large or just personal necessities. (And of course some people are just cheap and want something for nothing but they come in all colors.)

What really drives me is when someone hires me to do a job for them and they can not make any kind of decision or commitment without consulting all their family and friends about something that 90% of time their friends and family know nothing about or have no or little comparable experience. It always leads to unnecessary arguments and a breakdown in the long term relationship.

I also find that the majority of housewives that have never worked to be very difficult to deal with (too much time on their hands) while others can be so efficient, organized and on the ball that I'm just in awe.

I try to only take jobs with people that I can find common ground with and them with me otherwise there always seems to a tendency for misunderstanding or resentment when the pressure is on, no matter how clear you try to be with what you do and say. I'd rather make less money and have better clients but sometimes you don't have that luxury available to you. I also find that referrals from people that you like to work with to be of better quality as well.
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For the last 4 years I'd say 98% of my business was referral based. I did very well with hardly any effort, like 3 hours of actual work per day. Now I'm back to the crap CW is talking about and it can be maddening. The lack of common sense people in general have is awe inspiring.
 
all the whey said:
Dr.'s wives are the worse.

But, I think you nailed with the "have never worked".

I have done a lot of work for people who have come from wealthy families. They are the worse to get the money from.
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Dr.'s are horrible. They tend to feel entitled to everything but not have to pay for it. Like Katrina refugees.
 
I have had my own biz since '92.
I dont deal with any blacks because blacks dont deal with blacks. They are afraid of the other brother making money. fucking so stupid we are.

pollocks are not my favorite they stink like onions, pretend they can't speak english and think you're ripping them off --fuck em --

Pakistan bro's much prefer to negotiate the price that's ok but if they want to nickle and dime and ask "why so expensive" I just say "I HAVE TO FEED MY FUCKING KIDS" and walk from the deal :)


I fucking hate cocksuckers who don't want you to make a fair profit.
 
When I had my own renovation biz, the biggest nightmares were Italians, Arabs and Slavs. The worst out of these 3 were Arabs.

The nicest most cooperative clients we had were Jewish. Complained, but always paid their bills (in cash) and always ref me to many other jobs.
About 90% of my client base was Jewish.
Now I'm dating one, but he never gives me cash ;-)

Vel, you're right, the women we had to deal with who didn't work were horrid.
Oh yeah and my ex off 11 yrs left me for one our bored little housewife clients,......LOL...!
 
jnevin said:
Dr.'s are horrible. They tend to feel entitled to everything but not have to pay for it. Like Katrina refugees.
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True. I last Dr. I worked for started and insurance company for Dr's yrs. ago. He is worth 10's of millions. He was so fucking cheap.

But, his wife was the one who made all the decisions and did anything extra she could.lol
 
blueta2 said:
When I had my own renovation biz, the biggest nightmares were Italians, Arabs and Slavs. The worst out of these 3 were Arabs.

The nicest most cooperative clients we had were Jewish. Complained, but always paid their bills (in cash) and always ref me to many other jobs.
About 90% of my client base was Jewish.
Now I'm dating one, but he never gives me cash ;-)

Vel, you're right, the women we had to deal with who didn't work were horrid.
Oh yeah and my ex off 11 yrs left me for one our bored little housewife clients,......LOL...!
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lol

I have scene a lot of housewives leave their husband for the guy building them a home, etc.
 
all the whey said:
lol

I have scene a lot of housewives leave their husband for the guy building them a home, etc.
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Yeah this NUT used to call my house at 2 am asking for him. She was married twice before to rich guys and now is stuck with my poor ex.
She's mob, so she's prob "feeding" him ;-)
 
heavy_duty said:
I have had my own biz since '92.
I dont deal with any blacks because blacks dont deal with blacks. They are afraid of the other brother making money. fucking so stupid we are.
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Really?!

That's crazy and unfortunate.
 
80% of my clients are wimminz....

made a thread about gender magnetism in business.

it holds true

funny thing is most of them have never seen my face, but they're still flirty.
 
I've been dating an arabian girl for 3 years now. Everything you say about bartering/nickel and diming is true haha. Her mom is fricking hustler and a half. I've never seen someone get so much for so little, and she's even better when she's the one doing the selling. Gypsy power!
 
heavy_duty said:
I have had my own biz since '92.
I dont deal with any blacks because blacks dont deal with blacks. They are afraid of the other brother making money. fucking so stupid we are.

pollocks are not my favorite they stink like onions, pretend they can't speak english and think you're ripping them off --fuck em --

Pakistan bro's much prefer to negotiate the price that's ok but if they want to nickle and dime and ask "why so expensive" I just say "I HAVE TO FEED MY FUCKING KIDS" and walk from the deal :)


I fucking hate cocksuckers who don't want you to make a fair profit.
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it's funny because alot of those jerkoffs are usually in biz themselves. i ask them...and relate it to their industry, "would you do/sell <whatever they do> for free?". usually shuts them the fuck up, unless they're a moron. which is often the case
 
blueta2 said:
When I had my own renovation biz, the biggest nightmares were Italians, Arabs and Slavs. The worst out of these 3 were Arabs.

The nicest most cooperative clients we had were Jewish. Complained, but always paid their bills (in cash) and always ref me to many other jobs.
About 90% of my client base was Jewish.
Now I'm dating one, but he never gives me cash ;-)

Vel, you're right, the women we had to deal with who didn't work were horrid.
Oh yeah and my ex off 11 yrs left me for one our bored little housewife clients,......LOL...!
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Well, if you ever get the urge to leave Canada and still like the reno biz - find me.
 
calveless wonder said:
80% of my clients are wimminz....

made a thread about gender magnetism in business.

it holds true

funny thing is most of them have never seen my face, but they're still flirty.
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Women make the monetary decisions in a relationship, no doubt.
 
blueta2 said:
Yeah this NUT used to call my house at 2 am asking for him. She was married twice before to rich guys and now is stuck with my poor ex.
She's mob, so she's prob "feeding" him ;-)
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lol

I try not to meet just with the wife.
 
velvett said:
Really?!

That's crazy and unfortunate.
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I have heard this from some black friends on both ends.

Some say they don't trust doing business with Black owners. But, I think they are jealous. ??????
 
crew9 said:
I've been dating an arabian girl for 3 years now. Everything you say about bartering/nickel and diming is true haha. Her mom is fricking hustler and a half. I've never seen someone get so much for so little, and she's even better when she's the one doing the selling. Gypsy power!
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I went out with an Arabian girl. Nice!!!!!!!
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Women make the monetary decisions in a relationship, no doubt.
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No doubt.

It is a lot more than just 10yrs ago.

Now, the guy just sits there, and hopes he can afford evrything she wants. So, he doesn't have to listen to it.
 
all the whey said:
I have heard this from some black friends on both ends.

Some say they don't trust doing business with Black owners. But, I think they are jealous. ??????
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I'm totally surprised - I had no idea.

I have a very ethnic but not highly recognizable last name and people of similiar background have come to me based on my name and assumed background. In the past I was offer jobs that I was not qualified for just because of my last name, because I was considered "one of them".
 
all the whey said:
I have heard this from some black friends on both ends.

Some say they don't trust doing business with Black owners. But, I think they are jealous. ??????
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Aint it retarded? I advertise in the "Black Pages" for 5 years and never received 1 fucking call from it.

Jewish money stays in Jewish Biz....they got it going on! smart mofo them Jews I tell ya :)
 
calveless wonder said:
we all know i'm the opposite of PC(but i can get away with it), so don't expect anything less of this thread.

but...

indians, arabs and chinese people are THE worst to do business with. 99% of them

never had so many headaches, so much nickel and diming in my life. time after time. I don't make any judgements, but time and time again these people prove what pains in the asses they are. All want something for nothing. And not just in mortgages and real estate, but in other industries i've been in. When i see "Ali or muhammed" i don't even want to pick up the phone. They also think everyone is always out to screw them

black people are actually great, at least in my biz. some of my favorite/closest clients are black, usually church folk. usually in bad situations and just want you to help them. they don't nickel and dime at all.

Hispanics are the same...you build a relationship with them, and they're yours. but usually you have to be hispanic yourself, and 50% of the time speak spanish.

white people and europeans are great too, for the most part.
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I was just going to make a blanket statement about people that want something for nothing, especially after you have an ongoing business relationship.
 
calveless wonder said:
we all know i'm the opposite of PC(but i can get away with it), so don't expect anything less of this thread.

but...

indians, arabs and chinese people are THE worst to do business with. 99% of them

never had so many headaches, so much nickel and diming in my life. time after time. I don't make any judgements, but time and time again these people prove what pains in the asses they are. All want something for nothing. And not just in mortgages and real estate, but in other industries i've been in. When i see "Ali or muhammed" i don't even want to pick up the phone. They also think everyone is always out to screw them

black people are actually great, at least in my biz. some of my favorite/closest clients are black, usually church folk. usually in bad situations and just want you to help them. they don't nickel and dime at all.

Hispanics are the same...you build a relationship with them, and they're yours. but usually you have to be hispanic yourself, and 50% of the time speak spanish.

white people and europeans are great too, for the most part.
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i've had some bad experiences w/indian and jewish people

i think Asians are the best, dont know why you had a hard time
i mean they ask a lot of questions but they spend a lot
they look for quality=more money=higher commission for me= :)
Eropeans are great...mostly cash ....

indian and jewish clients gave me the run around, had to drop not my worth my time
 
go to wall st. lotsa white people there.

now try to do "business" with them. just try. tell us how far you get.

you won't even get past the front door.

r
 
Razorguns said:
go to wall st. lotsa white people there.

now try to do "business" with them. just try. tell us how far you get.

you won't even get past the front door.

r
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i worked on wall street, tough guy lol

and they have business sense. they're not morons and understand you need to make money when in business
 
ive found that indians are the most likely to try screw you over classlessly. its like personal relationships mean nothing to the indian people ive been in contact with in that way
 
GoldenDelicious said:
ive found that indians are the most likely to try screw you over classlessly. its like personal relationships mean nothing to the indian people ive been in contact with in that way
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+6.

and they stink

(*cough* jackangel *cough*)
 
calveless wonder said:
i worked on wall street, tough guy lol

and they have business sense. they're not morons and understand you need to make money when in business
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exactly. they won't even TALK to you unless you've established yourself first.

Funny people bitching about other cultures that are at least 'talking' to you in terms of business.

You know the toughest? Saudis. Raise your hands all of you who have talked to a Sheikh. Tought so.

Go to Wall St. Now go to Dubai. Now you'll much more appreciate talking to that chinese business owner downtown.

Business is about providing benefits to someone. If you can't provide it - you're of no use. Regardless of culture.

r
 
Phaded said:
your friends are usually the worst people to do biz with
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agreed...or to hire!!!!

if you hire a friend/family member, you gotta bust their balls more than anybody else so it doesn't appear you're giving them preferential treatment
 
Razorguns said:
exactly. they won't even TALK to you unless you've established yourself first.

Funny people bitching about other cultures that are at least 'talking' to you in terms of business.

You know the toughest? Saudis. Raise your hands all of you who have talked to a Sheikh. Tought so.

Go to Wall St. Now go to Dubai. Now you'll much more appreciate talking to that chinese business owner downtown.

Business is about providing benefits to someone. If you can't provide it - you're of no use. Regardless of culture.

r
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You read that in a text book bro?
 
I"m not going to make sweeping generalizations........but two years ago i formed a company with my father and we were going to market an Israeli product. Turned out to be a complete farce. Because of how he got connected with them, he took them at their word for what their product was supposed to do. We started smelling a rat about a year into the process..........so my dad used a lab at the company he works for to run a small test. The stuff did approx 0.0% of the characteristic that "supposedly" made it so marketable. It was a complete biohazard that would have gotten us into alot of trouble with the EPA had we marketed it in the U.S. THen all the pain in the ass shit we had to deal with from them became clear and made sense. They wanted hardly any contract with us at all.....just a wink and a handshake. They also waffled on indemnification. There are some things that the U.S does better. I've talked to other guys that have done business in Europe. One guy said he'll never do business with the greeks again. It seems to be worldwide..........this sort of weaselish bullshit business practice. I suggest anyone who has some intellectual property.........to try to exploit in in N. America. You take it overseas and you're just handing people your hard work. And right now there is very little one can do to seek restitution in such cases. I guess Greece is one of the worst places for that right now. They just take your shit and make or sell your shit themselves........completely locking you out. If I'm ever in a position like that again, someone is just going to have to front me some coin or else I'm just not interested.
 
redsamurai said:
I"m not going to make sweeping generalizations........but two years ago i formed a company with my father and we were going to market an Israeli product. Turned out to be a complete farce. Because of how he got connected with them, he took them at their word for what their product was supposed to do. We started smelling a rat about a year into the process..........so my dad used a lab at the company he works for to run a small test. The stuff did approx 0.0% of the characteristic that "supposedly" made it so marketable. It was a complete biohazard that would have gotten us into alot of trouble with the EPA had we marketed it in the U.S. THen all the pain in the ass shit we had to deal with from them became clear and made sense. They wanted hardly any contract with us at all.....just a wink and a handshake. They also waffled on indemnification. There are some things that the U.S does better. I've talked to other guys that have done business in Europe. One guy said he'll never do business with the greeks again. It seems to be worldwide..........this sort of weaselish bullshit business practice. I suggest anyone who has some intellectual property.........to try to exploit in in N. America. You take it overseas and you're just handing people your hard work. And right now there is very little one can do to seek restitution in such cases. I guess Greece is one of the worst places for that right now. They just take your shit and make or sell your shit themselves........completely locking you out. If I'm ever in a position like that again, someone is just going to have to front me some coin or else I'm just not interested.
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Paragraphs my friend. It comes in real handy when dealing with business people. :)
 
redsamurai said:
I"m not going to make sweeping generalizations........but two years ago i formed a company with my father and we were going to market an Israeli product. Turned out to be a complete farce. Because of how he got connected with them, he took them at their word for what their product was supposed to do. We started smelling a rat about a year into the process..........so my dad used a lab at the company he works for to run a small test. The stuff did approx 0.0% of the characteristic that "supposedly" made it so marketable. It was a complete biohazard that would have gotten us into alot of trouble with the EPA had we marketed it in the U.S. THen all the pain in the ass shit we had to deal with from them became clear and made sense. They wanted hardly any contract with us at all.....just a wink and a handshake. They also waffled on indemnification. There are some things that the U.S does better. I've talked to other guys that have done business in Europe. One guy said he'll never do business with the greeks again. It seems to be worldwide..........this sort of weaselish bullshit business practice. I suggest anyone who has some intellectual property.........to try to exploit in in N. America. You take it overseas and you're just handing people your hard work. And right now there is very little one can do to seek restitution in such cases. I guess Greece is one of the worst places for that right now. They just take your shit and make or sell your shit themselves........completely locking you out. If I'm ever in a position like that again, someone is just going to have to front me some coin or else I'm just not interested.
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when you deal with greeks, get contracts. lots of contracts. lots and ltos of contracts. and make sure you have the money to actually take them to court if neccessary. i have mucho personal experience with these greek people lol
 
For me, Turkish people and Persians (Iranians) have been the worst to do business with. The Persians proved to be absolutely not trustworthy and want to haggle over everything. Because of them I don't spend much time spinning my wheels on deals with these people. I have the - Here it is.....Take it or leave it attitude!

One funny thing I remember about the Turks I worked with, is they tried to make all kinds of distinctions between themselves and Arabs......and then these fuckin' Turks turned out to be the most underhanded people I had ever worked with.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
when you deal with greeks, get contracts. lots of contracts. lots and ltos of contracts. and make sure you have the money to actually take them to court if neccessary. i have mucho personal experience with these greek people lol
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reminds me of the old snl sketch--(greek accent)you lik-a da juice,,juice is a gooda eh,,very good on gyro eh,,...

though i am not a buisness man myself,,i have found the most annoying people to deal with is middle aged women with anxiety issues that need/create drama.
 
heavy_duty said:
I have had my own biz since '92.
I dont deal with any blacks because blacks dont deal with blacks. They are afraid of the other brother making money. fucking so stupid we are.

.
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that's interesting
 
I hated my old cell phone company "Sprint" because anytime you had problems and had to call the 800# was in India and I could never understand them and they couldn't understand my cajun accent either. I would have to keep asking them over and over can you repeat it til I just gave up!
 
lanky said:
though i am not a buisness man myself,,i have found the most annoying people to deal with is middle aged women with anxiety issues that need/create drama.
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sigh, i have those

:rolleyes:
 
I dont do business with arabs. The oens we have here are just a pain in the ass and if I can avoid them, then perfect.
 
My insurance co. Nearly $500 a month and none of the fucks at their office ever say hello when I walk in and never once have I heard "have a good day." They act like "I owe them".

I'm shopping around.
 
calveless wonder said:
we all know i'm the opposite of PC(but i can get away with it), so don't expect anything less of this thread.

but...

indians, arabs and chinese people are THE worst to do business with. 99% of them

never had so many headaches, so much nickel and diming in my life. time after time. I don't make any judgements, but time and time again these people prove what pains in the asses they are. All want something for nothing. And not just in mortgages and real estate, but in other industries i've been in. When i see "Ali or muhammed" i don't even want to pick up the phone. They also think everyone is always out to screw them

black people are actually great, at least in my biz. some of my favorite/closest clients are black, usually church folk. usually in bad situations and just want you to help them. they don't nickel and dime at all.

Hispanics are the same...you build a relationship with them, and they're yours. but usually you have to be hispanic yourself, and 50% of the time speak spanish.

white people and europeans are great too, for the most part.
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Indian and Arabic people are the hardest. The deal is never good enough. Religous people are right up there with them. They use Jesus as a cover so you think they'd never fuck you. But guess what, they fuck you then go to confession or what ever and are forgiven. Twice mother fuckers have jacked me for 35k and 19k.
 
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