Pct? Just to skate until next cycle?

[Strykn9ne]

I understand that PCT is too help you keep your gains and to get your body back to functioning the way it was
Before your cycle. But is your PCT something that is just supposed to get you by until your next cycle? Or for someone who wants to wait a long time is it something that you can do and then go back to a normal routine?

 

[deejleos]

Pct is like u said, helps u retain ur gains and bring ur body back to normal. But there are certain products that u can take inbetween cycles such as BRIDGE, that can hold u over till ur next cycle. I use Bridge from NTBM and Creatine and DAA in between cycles, couple other things too but mainly them.

 

[Strykn9ne]

is that somthing you would do if you were planning on waiting a long time between cycles, or even if you wernt planning to cycle again at all?

 

[oxymoron]

After pct you will inevitably loose a little more of your gains over time especially if they were large gains. I'd run Bridge or some form of a bridge like SARMs or maybe phytoserms 347 after u complete pct to help solidfy gains even further. I guess u could look at it as a pct for ur pct if that makes more sense.

What was the cycle you were looking at or what have you just finished? That would help answer ur question better.

 

[Strykn9ne]

I am very new and havent ran a cycle yet and the members of this forum have made it very clear to me that im not ready lol. So im getting my diet down and knowledge and in a while going to look into a Deca/ test cycle for 12 weeks. But its not somthing I want to do continuesly, im thinking one or two cycles. So i guess my real question is, even with a cycle, PCT, then pct for your pct. and a proper diet and training, After some amount of time can you keep your gains permanently or are you doomed to go back to the size you originaly were

 

[oxymoron]

You CAN keep your gains. maybe not all of them but dependent on things like pct and dedicated training you can maintain a good portion of those gains for years. It sounds like ur headed in the right direction by getting body fat down and solid base to start. Then a well planned cycle with slow steady gains will yield more keepable muscle.

 

[Strykn9ne]

Thanks bro, I have. Good base, good
Muscle 5'5 150lb with 12% body fat. I just have never needed to watch what I eat untill now so I gotta figure that out and how to safely juice before I fuck around. And btw is there such a thing as "slow steady gains" with Deca?? Lol

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks bro, I have. Good base, good
Muscle 5'5 150lb with 12% body fat. I just have never needed to watch what I eat untill now so I gotta figure that out and how to safely juice before I fuck around. And btw is there such a thing as "slow steady gains" with Deca?? Lol

Deca is a poor choice for anyone, and especially someone on their first cycle. There are much better options out there once you are ready. The sides and shutdown are not worth it, and a dead dick isn't fun either

 

[Strykn9ne]

Alright I'll look into other options, Deca dick is avoidable isn't it? And what do u mean by shut down?

 

[TravFlex91]

Alright I'll look into other options, Deca dick is avoidable isn't it? And what do u mean by shut down?

Shut down is when your natural levels stoop below normal, you feel shitty. REEAAAAAAL shitty. It's what happens without proper on cycle support and post cycle support.

 

[Strykn9ne]

Word, I'll explore all my options and make sure I have everything on hand and do It right before I fuck around

 

[RickRock13]

Word, I'll explore all my options and make sure I have everything on hand and do It right before I fuck around

Sounds good man. You are making the right decision by doing your research and making the right choices before diving in to a cycle

 

[liffalot]

is that somthing you would do if you were planning on waiting a long time between cycles, or even if you wernt planning to cycle again at all?

Good on ya for listening to the members here man; they know a lot but their harsh treatment can turn some people thin skin or thick skulls away. Clearly you have neither

Bridges can be run no matter the time between your cycles - a lot of guys like to bridge out of their PCT and then run a mini PCT after the bridge so that you lose less by elongating and amplifying your recovery. People have already mentioned a lot of great bridge supplements here.

Ostarine (MK-2866) SARMS seems to be a favorite, and for good reason - Its outstanding for recovery and geared for pure anabolism without suppression. If you're planning a bridge (after more cycle research of course), I would look into Sarmssearch OSTA. Best quality and purity Ostarine available.

 

[bigbassturd]

Good on ya for listening to the members here man; they know a lot but their harsh treatment can turn some people thin skin or thick skulls away. Clearly you have neither

Bridges can be run no matter the time between your cycles - a lot of guys like to bridge out of their PCT and then run a mini PCT after the bridge so that you lose less by elongating and amplifying your recovery. People have already mentioned a lot of great bridge supplements here.

Ostarine (MK-2866) SARMS seems to be a favorite, and for good reason - Its outstanding for recovery and geared for pure anabolism without suppression. If you're planning a bridge (after more cycle research of course), I would look into Sarmssearch OSTA. Best quality and purity Ostarine available.

I totally agree. Bridging with sarmsearch products both maintains and adds to strengrh and size gains from a cycle!

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[Strykn9ne]

Jeez... What if you want to PCT and then just... Not lol. One cycle, proper PCT then time off to back to normal. It sounds like this bridge is another form of steroid itself, and then would be pointless to do if you wernt plannin to cycle again?

 

[liffalot]

Jeez... What if you want to PCT and then just... Not lol. One cycle, proper PCT then time off to back to normal. It sounds like this bridge is another form of steroid itself, and then would be pointless to do if you wernt plannin to cycle again?

No not useless.........let me put it this way (I'm oversimplifying but this is generally how it works);

Your gains from a cycle, even with a PCT are going to slowly dissipate over time until they reach a certain point. If you do a cycle and DONT continue to eat the calories to maintain the muscle mass afterwards, you will lose almost all of your gains if not all of them. If you do a cycle with a full and proper PCT and continue to eat calories to support your muscle mass, you will still likely lose some over time, but not nearly as much. Doing a bridge out of your PCT followed by a mini PCT ensures that the majority of that muscle stays put granted youre eating properly.

In my mind, the longer you're able to draw out your PCT (I.E. through bridging and mini PCT) the longer your gains will stay without cycling again and more of your gains will stick around.

I'm tired and I dont know if that was even coherent, but there you go

 

[Strykn9ne]

Coherent, but still confusing. In that way, your never really "off" are you? I assume your bridging with other AAS?

 

[liffalot]

Coherent, but still confusing. In that way, your never really "off" are you? I assume your bridging with other AAS?

Oh no you do go off, it just takes a longer time before you do. By bridging with other AAS do you mean running your bridge with AAS? Or bridging into the beginning of another cycle?

If you meant the former then no, the brige is meant to draw out recovery in order to solidify gains, so you wouldnt be taking AAS. If the latter, then you probably wouldnt be using SARMS for a bridge. This would be more of what you were talking about beforehand....

Some guys prefer to use the "blast and cruise" method with very intense cycle that are bridged with lower doses of test in between. In this scenario, you never really go "off", but the goal of this method is to maintain gains between cycles without really recovering.

Reading back into your previous post, bridging is not done with steroids and it is not meant to be like a cycle of AAS......just to clear that up. The goal of a bridge is to extend the body's recovery back into life without AAS. PCT does a good job of this, but its still an abrupt change for the body to go from being all hopped up on youthful hormones to returning to the way it was previously in a matter of weeks. The body responds to abrupt change by making its own abrupt changes, I.E. possibly losing gains. Extending this transition smoothens the return to normal and lessens the blow of dropping off cycle.

Hopefully that makes a little more sense. My advice would be to try a cycle with a bridge and try one without and feel the difference for yourself - in my mind thats really the only way to find out if anything is truly right for you

 

[smad1]

So if one does a cycle. Should they expect to not make any natty gains? Assume I run a 12 week test e cycle with standard pct. Am I wrong to expect natty gains 2 months after pct?

 

[liffalot]

So if one does a cycle. Should they expect to not make any natty gains? Assume I run a 12 week test e cycle with standard pct. Am I wrong to expect natty gains 2 months after pct?

No no thats not what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is that if you're at your natural limit and you cycle and make gains, its going to be hard to even keep those gains - you're going to have to eat a LOT more and exercise accordingly.

So it really depends on where you're at personally.