PCT help please, plus cycle information

[Haminator]

Alright, I hope some people can clear some things up for me.

I know that I will get chewed out for this, but my plan was - and I did - a deca only cycle. Well plus some orals.

I was a bit apprehensive about injecting so I started dbol at 40 mg a day for about three weeks hoping for decent gains. Other than bloat, I really wasn't seeing much strengthwise. So at week three I started the deca at 330 mg a week, plus I kept the dbol for about four more weeks.

This is what I don't get, by about week three of the deca, my weight was up by about 18 pounds and I was weighing in at 222. After that, my weight just didn't budge. I believe that my diet was adequate, I have been eating potatos, rice, fish and chicken breast, also been supplementing these bigger meals with PBandJ sandwiches (on wheat) also with my usual 60 gram protein shakes at least twice a day.

My plan was to do the deca for eight weeks, at around week six to seven I got a little sick and completely lost my appetite. My strength has remained, however I lost the half inch I had put on my arms, it disapeared so fast and it's really buming me out.

I have not been happy with this cycle, people have been commenting to me like crazy that I am getting big, but I don't see it, especially after my arms shrank. My bench has really not gone up by much, I was at 205 for four reps, all I can say is that i went to 215 for about six reps. I was hoping to blow past 225. Although I have seen better strength gains on my legs biceps and shoulders, but again, nothing major. I must also say that I have been busting out pullups far better, and they have always been a bitch to me. But really, i was hoping to gain a lot more since it is obvious that you will lose some when you come off.

Having trained for ten years before AAS, is it possible that this dose just wasn't enough?

As for sides, I have had none. no deca dick, not a hint. My boys may have shrunk a little, but it really doesn't seem like it. One day I'll think they shrank and the next they seem bigger, so i really don't know.

SO, I am asking for some advice. I have another bottle of deca, plus a bottle of test cyp on the way. The deca is a different brand from what I was using, so i am not sure of what to expect.

Should I continue this cycle for 4 to 6 more weeks, or should I just cut my losses and end it? I wouldn't be able to cycle again until I was in school, which I don't like doing.

This is what I have on hand for PCT: clomid 30 tabs at 50mg, nolva 60 tabs at 20mg
I really don't have the money for hcg or an AI. Besides that, my store is all out of hcg.

I guess that the main thing that bothers me is that if I continue the cycle further, especially if i add test, that I may end up with testicular atrophy and have a really hard PCT.

If I did continue, I was looking at deca at 400mg for 5 weeks and test at 350mg for 6 weeks.

All help would be appreciated.

I would like to clarify that I have the other bottle of deca in hand. Test is supposed to be here by memorial day.

Plus, this is in the PCT forum because I was curious as to what my PCT should look like with what I have on hand.

 

[d_rson]

You need to go into PCT immediately, research more, and run a cycle at some later time when you get your diet, training, and knowledge in check. The reason you blew up when you added deca is from water retention, and that's why you lost it so fast in your arms when you got sick. You are headed for a major crash.

Stop the deca, wait 1-2 weeks and start the clomid 50mg everyday. You need more. You not having money means you shouldn't be running a cycle because you are missing some import stuff.

You need to post in the anabolic section. You need help to clean this mess up. Don't take that as a slam, I'm not flaming, we've all made mistakes, but you need to get outta this before you hit a wall.

 

[Haminator]

Why do you say that deca at 330mg a week was so wrong. I am not attacking your knowledge, but I did research this stuff for over a year, and read many people's experiences on a deca/dbol only cycle. believe me, I am very methodical, I even have winny on hand because I had read that it was the best to counteract possible deca induced gynecomastia.

Also, I don't just have the clomid, but nolvadex as well. Sine deca doesn't aromatize, I saw no need for an aromatase inhibitor. HCG is expensive, and while I agree that if I don't have the money, then I shouldn't get involved in this stuff, but if I've suffered no shrinkage, do I need it?

It's just that when you tell me that I am headed for a crash, it is a loaded thing to say and really freaks me out - when in reality you don't know if that is the truth or not. Are you saying that simply because it is a deca only cycle?

Again, I appreciate your info, and I did post this over in the steroid forum since you mentioned it.

 

[d_rson]

First, deca/dbol "experiences" and recommendations are two different things. I don't think anyone here with half a brain would recommend a deca/dbol only cycle to anyone especially a newbie. Dbol produces alot of estrogen sides, and estrogen and deca don't mix - that's why you blew up when you added deca in. Also having one of the most toxic oral steroids "on hand" to cope with progestin sides of deca is bad advice as well. One, it doesn't always work, and two, it's toxic and there are better anchillaries for that.

Also, nolva and deca don't mix, especially in the presence of estrogen. Stay away from the nolva. Deca doesn't aromatize much, but it does cause serious progestin side effects with estrogen.

Also, don't judge the size of your balls as a direct indicator of shutdown.

I understand that saying that you are headed for a crash is loaded. But when doing what you are doing (using AAS) you have to always be prepared or you risk the crash - you have to believe you could crash so that you make every move possible to prevent it. I know you say you researched, but I just can't seem to fathom how you did or where you got your info. All you have to do is post up a new post saying you are startig your first cycle and planning a dbol/deca only cycle and just SEE the response you get - that's what you should have done first - ask advice.