PCT Heavy cycle Help, HCG Dosing

[Big Mac Swole]

Hello All,

So I coming to the end of a very heavy cycle.

Week 1-20 test e 500mg
Week 1-15 deca 400mg
Week 1-4 Anadrol 50-100 mg ed
Week 6-14 Anavar 40mg ed
Week 6-14 Winny 40mg ed
Week 11-15 Tren e 300mg
Week 1-10 HCG 500iu a week.
Week 1-15 HCG 750iu a week
Week 15-21 HCG 1000iu a week
Adex 1mg a day.
Letro When needed.


Now Im in week 20. I am going to switch to prop for the last 3 weeks so that I can transistion into pct Smoothly. Now I have 20,000 iu of HCG just in case but only plan on using 10,000iu. I also have caber, nolva, clomid, aromasin, and letro.

How should I precede on this pct. I have done some research on pct protocols and have come up with 3 options for this pct.

Option A
Week 21-24 test prop 100mg eod

Last 20 days. Hcg 500iu ed.
aromasin 12.5 mg a day

Nolva 40mg ed first two weeks, 20 mg next 8 weeks.
Clomid 300mg first day, 50mg next 3 weeks.
Caber .5mg first three days, then .5mg 2x per week.

Option B
Week 21-24 test prop 100mg eod

Last 10 days. Hcg 1000iu ed.
aromasion 25mg a day

Nolva 40mg ed first two weeks, 20 mg next 8 weeks.
Clomid 300mg first day, 50mg next 3 weeks.
Caber .5mg first three days, then .5mg 2x per week.

Option B
Week 21-24 test prop 100mg eod

Last 2 weeks Hcg 2000iu e3d.
letro 1.25 mg x 2 a week

Nolva 40mg ed first two weeks, 20 mg next 8 weeks.
Clomid 300mg first day, 50mg next 3 weeks.
Caber .5mg first three days, then .5mg 2x per week.

Which is the best way to dose the HCG? I do not want to oversensitze to LH. However this is a very heavy cycle and I want to make a full recovery. I started to notice that I am loosing a little bit of size but I think that is due to my prolactin levels getting a little bit to high because I didnt run any caber during cycle.

Stats
Age 21 ht 6,2 weight 265 bf 8%. This was my second cycle.

Any input is appreciated.

 

[dylangemelli]

you have NO FUCKING CLUE what your doing... you have used way too much hcg on this cycle... your running nolva with tren? you ran 3 orals with no cycle support... you didn't run caber with tren? you NEVER run nolva with tren, NEVER! you have run just a ridiculous amount of hcg already... i don't even know what to tell you to do except fucking stop and run a pct now and don't run another cycle because you my friend are going to do nothing but really fuck yourself up, that is, if you already haven't... this is seriously one of the worst messes I have ever seen and I have seen some seriously fucked up shit... this is really bad

 

[younesom]

Agree with above and why would you add Tren E for only 5 weeks. Your cycle is a complete mess, with compounds just thrown in for the fuck of it. In addition you are only 21 y/o, and with those stats you need to post a pic. 265 with 8%? very, very hard to believe

 

[Big Mac Swole]

If you were to read a little bit closer. THE NOLVA IS FOR PCT. That is what this thread is about. I didn't run Nolva the whole cycle. The Nolva is for pct only. I only ran the tren for 4 weeks because It gave me some wicked headaches. The other compounds in the cycle were not random at all. Test for the base, anadrol for a jump start, winny and anavar are a staple for me and when I stack them together it doesnt matter what my diet is like, I still put on weight while keeping my vascularity. I did run a liver and kidney support too just FYI.

As for My blood Work. I have had 4 blood tests on this cycle and everything has come back in range so I guess every "body" is different.

And the HCG is a typo.
Week 1-10 Hcg 500iu a week.
Week 10-15 Hcg 750 iu a week
Week 15-21 1000 iu a week.

You can run hcg at this level without being desensitized to LH.

Thanks for your input.

 

[dylangemelli]

If you were to read a little bit closer. THE NOLVA IS FOR PCT. That is what this thread is about. I didn't run Nolva the whole cycle. The Nolva is for pct only. I only ran the tren for 4 weeks because It gave me some wicked headaches. The other compounds in the cycle were not random at all. Test for the base, anadrol for a jump start, winny and anavar are a staple for me and when I stack them together it doesnt matter what my diet is like, I still put on weight while keeping my vascularity. I did run a liver and kidney support too just FYI.

As for My blood Work. I have had 4 blood tests on this cycle and everything has come back in range so I guess every "body" is different.

And the HCG is a typo.
Week 1-10 Hcg 500iu a week.
Week 10-15 Hcg 750 iu a week
Week 15-21 1000 iu a week.

You can run hcg at this level without being desensitized to LH.

Thanks for your input.

I DID READ YOUR POST... DO YOU THINK IT MATTERS ABOUT NOLVA... deca is in your system for up to 18 months smartguy! YOU HCG IS COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE... you will learn... unfortunately it will be the hard way!

 

[semper03]

How are those a staple for you if this is your first cycle?

 

[Big Mac Swole]

So the argument here is that nolva increases the sensitivity to prolactin, and 19-nors increase prolactin, thus increasing the risk of prolactin induced gyno which has happened with experienced users in the past.

So some people say to only run clomid and some people say that they havent been affected by taking nolva for pct while using 19 nors.

So my next question is:

Say I were to run both clomid and nolva for pct. If I include caber to minimize prolactin would it still be ok to run nolva for PCT. Or should I just stick with the clomid. By the time I hit pct I will have not been on deca or tren for about 8-9 weeks so the levels there should be no problem with the amount of prolactin that is being produced correct. plus prolactin only becomes a problem when estrogen is high. If use letro wouldnt this be able to keep this problem from arising?

If not I can always just run clomid.

Again thanks for your input.

 

[rustilldown]

Post a pic bro you must be a monster!
Just run the clomid and maybe pick up some DAA. Aromasin throughout pct would be wise also to prevent any rebound or aromatization from hcg. The clomid just run 50/50/25/25/25 ( you may need longer but no need to bomb your system with 300. ) clomid hcg and some natty test boosters should help get you going again don't bother with the nolva. You can carry on with caber into pct if you choose it may help keep that sex drive going


Ride it like you stole it!!

 

[Big Mac Swole]

I have enough clomid for about 9.42 weeks. If I feel the need would it be ok to add in nolva towards the end?

I also have plenty of the natty test boosters along with some dhea.

I am very hesitant to post a pic because I do not want to self incriminate myself. Sorry for the disappointment.
I can tell you some other stats about me that might ease your mind though.
I used to weigh at my heaviest 325 at 25% body fat and that was playing football in grade school.
During my last year of wrestling I was 285 %12.
Over the past 3 years I have been able to get to 265 at 8%

I am no stranger to being big.

 

[stevesmi]

good lord all i can tell you is you need to run a very long and solid PCT. that won't be a fun recovery at all. I don't like any of those options you listed.. why would you run more test before PCT? come off the long esters and let it clear out, the sooner it clears the sooner you will recovery. clomid at 300mg a day you will feel like shit, nolva you will feel like shit.

you ran almost 2 grams of very harsh compounds a week and stacked deca with tren together. that is pretty ballsy for a 21 year old.

you probably will never feel the same off cycle as you did before cyling at your age. that is a fact. so i hope you realize you will probably be a candidate for HRT very soon which is sad. i hope you realize with families, kids, college, a career, a business you might come to regret this in a few years.

you said this was just your 2nd cycle.. what was your first cycle? and what were your post PCT bloodwork like before you jumped back on? and how long did u wait in between cycles? this will give you a clue as to what strategy to take here. the good thing though is atleast you already started your hcg, without that you would be totally screwed.. but i stand by what i said above that you will never feel the same juicing at such a young age with so many compounds at those dosages