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PCT after 13 months. Here we go.

burnthiscorpse

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A little history:

So I have done 10 and 6 month extended cycles before. Recovered with no issues. Took time though. This time wasn't a cycle. It was a blast and cruise. Started in march of last year with a simple cycle of 375mg test c wk. Test levels were 835 natty (yes really at 36yrs old).
During the cycle a little nagging old injury came up so I decided to drop to a 150mg wk cruise while I dealt with it. Being experienced and having done this shit for years I had no second thoughts about blasting and cruising. So It took a little longer than expected but I cruised for a few months. I was making such nice steady gains on the cruise I just left it alone at that for about 8 mos. Then I found out why lol. My Test C was heavily dosed. That 150mg wk was keeping my test levels at fucking 2450ng/dl. So this explained the creeping up palpitations I was getting. Elevated hemocrit, RBC ect. So I started asprin and dropped the test down to 105 mg wk and switched to sust. I immediately felt better. Stoppd asprin after a couple weeks. No more palps. Cruised a few moremonths and checked my test. It was at 1400 ng/dl. Not where I wanted it (1000ng/dl range) But better. Hemocrit and RBC were back in range. Cholesterol was 165. HDL was perfect and LDL was still lingering at 105. Not bad by any stretch but it should be lower. Triglycerides ware like 35. Virtually non existant. Only little thing annoying me is bilirubin creeping up every 90 day blood check. Has to be from the high RBC turnover.
So I do my last prop only cycle for 6 weeks and in week 5 I wreck my brachialis in both arms. I mean cant do anything with my arms period I fucked them up so bad.
So I have to take a month off. By this time I decide fuck it....I'm coming off everything.
Side note...right at the end of my cycle there I gave blood. They wouldn't let me give double red blood cells because they said my iron was sky high. That was pretty much the last straw for me coming off. But gave whole blood anyways which as you know helps get iron down. Will continue to give blood every 8 weeks.

PCT: So I let the sust clear my system for 3 weeks. (I was still on the 105mg wk during prop cycle) Then I do 10 days worth of 10 caps of Hcgenerate a day as a PRE PCT. Then I drop to 5 caps a day and add unleashed and post cycle and an adrenal gland support supplement.
Some people feel good during Pct because the test isn't out of their system. Trust me....I felt when the test really dropped out and everything bottomed out. Last half of the 10 days of 10 Hcgenerate a day and the first week after of Hcgenerate and unleashed I was dragging ass. I was a jekyl and hyde hair trigger asshole. Tired as hell, pissy....still in my month break for injury so I'm pissed that I cant train also.
Last week, which is 2 full weeks of PCT after the 10 day Hcgenerate blast I started to feel noticeably better. Not as tired or as hair trigger. Natural sensitivity in my cock is coming back that goes away with any exogenous test. Still not really in the mood to fuck but its getting better. If the wife wants to fuck it takes about 30 secongs of grabbing my shit to change my mood. Which aint bad considering the situation.
Monday I will be adding in DAA and Bridge to my PCT.
I get bloods done in a week or so and will be getting full everything...test, estrogen, full thyroid work up, cbc, metabolic, ect...
I expect the test to still be in the toilet but it will improve. :cool:

Training wise: The month off killed me. Being at the gym, training a couple other people but not being able to train myself didn't help my pissy attitude.
I've been training slowly again just chest/bi/tri stuff for the last 2-2.5 weeks. every 4-5 days. Trying to slowly acclimate the brachialis muscles to taking abuse again without getting them strained again. Has been going surprisingly well. First workout wasn't bad. 2nd and 3rd workouts were during that time when the test really bottomed out and were awful. Weak, painful achy workouts....yuck. Strength was still pretty impressive considering. This last week I had two chest days and two bi/tri workouts. The brachialis are cooperating with the abuse and my strength is way up as is my muscle stamina.
I posted another thread in training about the deads but I'll touch on it here quick.....; I havnt deadlifted in 6 weeks. last time was on cycle and I was doing 405 for triples. Not too impressive for a guy my size but considering I have only gotten into deads last year for the first time in 5 years it wasn't bad. I used to snatch grip rack pull 700+ but that was 09' .
last night I deadlifted. I pulled 405 for two singles. WTF.....??? First DL day in 6 weeks.....ass out on the test levels....no AAS for 6 weeks. I was fucking impressed to say the least. I probably could have done a few more too. But I know I'm gonna be sore so I let it be.

The thing that really pisses me off....My diet was spot on before on cycle... my diet is shit right now. I'm off the wagon for a much needed break for a bit before I get back into it seriously. I took a fucking month off with ZERO training....stopped AAS after 13 mos and I've only lost a half inch on my arms and almost nothing off my chest. My traps have lost that inflated look that you notice first about someone on AAS (well, if they have traps) but they are coming back up nicely. I have lost 20 lb in the last 6 weeks from laying off the diet and not training but I look the same. That means even with Aromasin I was holding an assload of water and it was mostly glycogen retention. Seems like a big waste. So at this point.....I'm actually excited to train natty for the first time in a very longtime and see what kind of gains I can make.
The next time I cycle which will be minimum of a year but up to maybe two.... it will not involve test. it will be probably var, masteron....stuff that will maybe only give a few pounds of lean gain in 8 weeks but have no water retention.
I will update as I go how I feel and bloods, training ect....
 
BTW..... Those of you wondering......yes I'm doing a non drug PCT. Non Pharmaceutical. So for some of the noobs and just general jerk offs who think N2 or whoever is just pimping supps I assure you the shit works. I'm not doing it for him.....i'm doing it because they are supps that I have used and I know work. The reason I make light of it in this way is because I read a lot of asshole saying that Hcgenerate or unleashed or whatever is a joke and does nothing.
So must be after 13 mos of suppression my nuts just decided to blow back up from me wishing it instead of the Hcgenerate?

I did want to try HMG but its so hard to find and there are so many google results you don't know what is legit and what isn't.
 
I'm watching. Interested but since I don't cruise I am merely a speculator. I think with your layout you will have a pretty decent recovery, but I guess there's only one way to find out!

This is real deal, real world testing for these products for all you doubters out there
 
bigbassturd said:
I'm watching. Interested but since I don't cruise I am merely a speculator. I think with your layout you will have a pretty decent recovery, but I guess there's only one way to find out!

This is real deal, real world testing for these products for all you doubters out there
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Hey thanks bro.

Just a FYI...I feel really really good. My nuts are full size. They function ect.. Training, other than taking it slow cause of the brachiallis' is great. The lack of strength drop after this shit including a solid month off training just blows my mind. The biggest loss way my squat. Lost about 100 lb of my max. other than that everything else is about 90% of what it was.

Other than a miserable two weeks when I could really feel that there was zero test in my body its been way better than expected. next Monday I'll get bloods. I'm gonna guess even though I feel great that my test will be around 300 as of now. It hasn't been that long yet. Long term suppression takes a while to recover from. At least in my last two experiences.
 
I'm VERY interested in how this goes for you man. I have a personal experience I'm going through right now that I can relate to here. You seem to already be doing better than I am.

I came off of an 18 week cycle and recovery isn't happening for me unfortunately. Since about week 3 of PCT (when the test started calling off to sub normal levels) I have gotten progressively worse in how I've felt until about the last week of PCT and I've kinda stayed at that shitty level since. I've had no energy, no libido, no motivation, don't want to lift or do anything, depression, fat gain when I shouldn't be, just totally sucks. I got bloods drawn a couple weeks after PCT and I knew my test was going to be low, though I was surprised at just how low. Total test at 122, LH at 1.2, and FSH at 1.0.....ouch. All of this despite a very thorough PCT mind you. So, I will be going to the doc soon and exploring my options for TRT possibly. My test levels have never been great (even at its best I was low 400s), and I will be 39 next month so this is probably a good move for me. I certainly am tired of feeling like shit.

I hope you have a successful and speedy recovery. Sounds like you are already on your way bud. I will be watching for sure ;)
 
I am definotely following and interested in the results for future reference. Just not something I habe any feedback on as still new. But I definitely appreciate you posting the info.

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RickRock13 said:
I'm VERY interested in how this goes for you man. I have a personal experience I'm going through right now that I can relate to here. You seem to already be doing better than I am.

I came off of an 18 week cycle and recovery isn't happening for me unfortunately. Since about week 3 of PCT (when the test started calling off to sub normal levels) I have gotten progressively worse in how I've felt until about the last week of PCT and I've kinda stayed at that shitty level since. I've had no energy, no libido, no motivation, don't want to lift or do anything, depression, fat gain when I shouldn't be, just totally sucks. I got bloods drawn a couple weeks after PCT and I knew my test was going to be low, though I was surprised at just how low. Total test at 122, LH at 1.2, and FSH at 1.0.....ouch. All of this despite a very thorough PCT mind you. So, I will be going to the doc soon and exploring my options for TRT possibly. My test levels have never been great (even at its best I was low 400s), and I will be 39 next month so this is probably a good move for me. I certainly am tired of feeling like shit.

I hope you have a successful and speedy recovery. Sounds like you are already on your way bud. I will be watching for sure ;)
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That sucks bro. I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds like TRT time for you.

My Natty Test as I said above was 835 at age 36 (which blew my mind) so a year later I hope I get back close to that. We will see.
Biggest thing for me as I said, Creeping iron levels and bilirubin levels. Just time to make a smart choice and clean up for a year or two.
Seeing how much weight and water and glycogen retention I lost but having the same strength almost and only losing about .5" on my big measurements makes me wonder wtf the test was doing for me? I was eating pretty much perfect and training with super intensity and mind muscle connection.


Rick maybe throw in some TB500 to your situation? It will certainly help any achey sore issues you might have. I know for me when I use TB500 (and I have paid specific attention when adding TB and nothing else) that there is a marked increase in strength. Why this is? I have no idea. But it happens. That might help you too.
Get yourself an adrenal gland support supplement too bro. Our thyroids take a beating when we cycle too and that kills the adrenal function (makes you feel tired, fatigued, achey) So maybe even some thyroid support supps too.
 
I am loving your PCT! And you're right need2 is legit, never had a problem using any of his products for PCT. I am going to be watching for sure to see how you recover
 
burnthiscorpse said:
That sucks bro. I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds like TRT time for you.

My Natty Test as I said above was 835 at age 36 (which blew my mind) so a year later I hope I get back close to that. We will see.
Biggest thing for me as I said, Creeping iron levels and bilirubin levels. Just time to make a smart choice and clean up for a year or two.
Seeing how much weight and water and glycogen retention I lost but having the same strength almost and only losing about .5" on my big measurements makes me wonder wtf the test was doing for me? I was eating pretty much perfect and training with super intensity and mind muscle connection.


Rick maybe throw in some TB500 to your situation? It will certainly help any achey sore issues you might have. I know for me when I use TB500 (and I have paid specific attention when adding TB and nothing else) that there is a marked increase in strength. Why this is? I have no idea. But it happens. That might help you too.
Get yourself an adrenal gland support supplement too bro. Our thyroids take a beating when we cycle too and that kills the adrenal function (makes you feel tired, fatigued, achey) So maybe even some thyroid support supps too.
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Thanks for the recommendation man. I have definitely had some issues with soreness, aches, etc ever since I started feeling the crash, and never thought about TB500. Im sure that would help things considerably.
 
Cool2Chris said:
Do you have any recommendations for an adrenal and thyroid supp?

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Stevesmi uses a T3 sup for tren cycle PCT. Hit him up and ask him what that is.

For adrenal fatigue I use gaia adrenal health.

there are many thyroid support supps out there.
 
Thanks for posting this up bro, subbed for sure.

I have been blasting for same amount of time as you if not longer, turning 40 this year and i will probably be on TRT .
I will use your experience as a reference guide when-and-if i ever come off .
People can learn alot from this thread ,keep it going my man.
 
Definitely keep us posted bro, because I will be coming off a similar 13 month+ blast and cruise myself while not yet being officially on any sort of TRT/ HRT. It's definitely intriguing to see a different approach to PCT after a very long cycle, since most include vigorous use of HCG, SERMs, and herbal combos
 
Just found the thread. I'd like to see how this turns out. If you're using DAA, have you considered the new mDAA from mrsupps? My interest is really peaked with that formula.
 
Had my bloods done yesterday. Hopefully my doc will drop them off before Friday.

I am interested mostly to see my RBC, Bilerubin, LDL and total test.

Side note I have been on lipid stabil for at least 2.5 mos also. That shit really works for anyone who still hasn't hear of it. I have multiple before and after Bloods to show what it does.


I have been on Bridge and DAA for a full week now. You will recall if you read the top that I really didn't have much desire to initiate sex. But if it gets initiated by the Mrs for about 30 seconds its good from there. After a week of DAA and Bridge I can say that the last couple days that is definatley changing for the better. My nuts are huge and they work. Loads are much bigger thicker and actually blast allover now. That might be TMI for some but its all part of functions recovering that were suppressed or not working as they should.

Gym wise I have been training as much as I can right now. Every 4 days about. My right arm brachialis is still a bit overly sore with chest or deads. So its needing more time to heal in between but is improving.
 
so I'm one of these idiots that's actually sitting here posting in between sets while I'm working out. but I just realized this is the first chest workout I've done since I have started bridge and daa. all I can say is holy shit. I can say is I feel like I'm on a cycle right now but I definitely feel like I'm cruising on a decent dose. strength is way up and stamina is way up and the pumps are huge. so okay enougho bullshit I'm getting back at it
 
burnthiscorpse said:
so I'm one of these idiots that's actually sitting here posting in between sets while I'm working out. but I just realized this is the first chest workout I've done since I have started bridge and daa. all I can say is holy shit. I can say is I feel like I'm on a cycle right now but I definitely feel like I'm cruising on a decent dose. strength is way up and stamina is way up and the pumps are huge. so okay enougho bullshit I'm getting back at it
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bro you are lucky i am not in that gym right now, i would would kick that fuckin phone right out of your hand...:mad::biggrin:
 
C0LUMB0 said:
bro you are lucky i am not in that gym right now, i would would kick that fuckin phone right out of your hand...:mad::biggrin:
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Yeah and I would kick you right in your vagina :D:D

I was the only person there too. No desk personnel either.



I have 6.5 weeks left of bridge, daa, hcgenerate, unleashed, ect before I let my body try and pick things up on its own. Once I have gotten bloods done to confirm that my own body is producing and I know I'm g2g I am definatley going back on bridge. I will try DAA again too as I don't know how much its contributing to the "feeling". But I'll use bridge for 2 weeks on its own so that when I add DAA I'll be able to know exactly what feels like what.
 
Finally got my fucking bloods a few minutes ago. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

And.....of course....they forgot my LH and FSH. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
I would really like to have seen them but the next bloods when I'm off PCT is what I'm more concerned about. SO anyways what I did get done that's of any relevance is as follows:

*RBC: 5.37 high normal
*Hemoglobin 16.1 middle range
*Hematocrit 48 Mid range

*WBC 4.3 low (range 4.8-10.8 ) up from 4.2 last bloods ** was 6 a year ago (im seeing the average range nationally is 4.0-11)

*Platelet count 126 low (range 150-450) was 137 last bloods
*Mean platelet volume 11 high (range 7.4-10.4)
*Cholesterol 190 (up from 165 cause of my off the wagon diet the last 6 weeks)
*LDL 125 ....yeah I know...garbage food
*HDL 55

Metabolic panel was all completely normal and that year long constantly creeping up 1.9 bilirubin is now 1.1

Liver values are all great.

PSA 0.4 (range 0-4.0)

Now for the money.....

Total test 769ng/dl !!!!!

Free test 21ng-dl (range 9-30)


Now....for those of you motherfuckers who hate and don't believe.....we are talking 13 months of complete suppression. No hcg or hcgenerate during that time. Will my body pick up production after pct?? I hope so. I have confidence it will. But heres proof natty supps work. BTW....i'm 37 so my natural recover from anything 22 yr old body is long gone.
 
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Nice work!!!! Impressive numbers especially the test. I'm subbed can't wait to see how well the numbers hold up when your off the OTC boosters.

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burnthiscorpse said:
Finally got my fucking bloods a few minutes ago. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

And.....of course....they forgot my LH and FSH. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
I would really like to have seen them but the next bloods when I'm off PCT is what I'm more concerned about. SO anyways what I did get done that's of any relevance is as follows:

*RBC: 5.37 high normal
*Hemoglobin 16.1 middle range
*Hematocrit 48 Mid range

*WBC 4.3 low (range 4.8-10.8 ) up from 4.2 last bloods ** was 6 a year ago (im seeing the average range nationally is 4.0-11)

*Platelet count 126 low (range 150-450) was 137 last bloods
*Mean platelet volume 11 high (range 7.4-10.4)
*Cholesterol 190 (up from 165 cause of my off the wagon diet the last 6 weeks)
*LDL 125 ....yeah I know...garbage food
*HDL 55

Metabolic panel was all completely normal and that year long constantly creeping up 1.9 bilirubin is now 1.1

Liver values are all great.

PSA 0.4 (range 0-4.0)

Now for the money.....

Total test 769ng/dl !!!!!

Free test 21ng-dl (range 9-30)


Now....for those of you motherfuckers who hate and don't believe.....we are talking 13 months of complete suppression. No hcg or hcgenerate during that time. Will my body pick up production after pct?? I hope so. I have confidence it will. But heres proof natty supps work. BTW....i'm 37 so my natural recover from anything 22 yr old body is long gone.
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I'd love to see blood work in another 2 months.
 
Awesome thread,man! I wish I had found this earlier, been cruisin & blastig for few years (I'm in TRT) so this is really informative.
Congrats for great PCT & Recovery, Bro!
Keep us updated on progres, looks like it's going really great for you!

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burnthiscorpse said:
Yeah I figured I better go 8 weeks on this one instead of 4. End of next week pct round 2 starts.
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You're a pro! :) rarely do guys go full out with PCT, than they come back suffering from endocrine problems because of poor PCT. I hope more new members read this and learn how to properly run PCT.
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
You're a pro! :) rarely do guys go full out with PCT, than they come back suffering from endocrine problems because of poor PCT. I hope more new members read this and learn how to properly run PCT.
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I base it on what I've done and how long. Had it been an 8 week cycle then I'd run 4 weeks pct. a 12-16 week cycle then It would probably be extended to 6 weeks. Why not? Skimping on recovery is stupid. Anything more...ie: real heavy cycle(which I don't do) or a long blast and cruise then you cant really throw enough PCT at it can you?

The only thing I didn't throw in that I wanted to was HMG. Its so hard to find a legit place for it. I wish we had a sponsor for it. Better yet I wish the "HMGenesis" that BRR was talking about was available now to try with this.

But in any case I figure without the HMG this PCT is a trial for 100% natty. Nothing pharmaceutical involved.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Finally got my fucking bloods a few minutes ago. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

And.....of course....they forgot my LH and FSH. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
I would really like to have seen them but the next bloods when I'm off PCT is what I'm more concerned about. SO anyways what I did get done that's of any relevance is as follows:

*RBC: 5.37 high normal
*Hemoglobin 16.1 middle range
*Hematocrit 48 Mid range

*WBC 4.3 low (range 4.8-10.8 ) up from 4.2 last bloods ** was 6 a year ago (im seeing the average range nationally is 4.0-11)

*Platelet count 126 low (range 150-450) was 137 last bloods
*Mean platelet volume 11 high (range 7.4-10.4)
*Cholesterol 190 (up from 165 cause of my off the wagon diet the last 6 weeks)
*LDL 125 ....yeah I know...garbage food
*HDL 55

Metabolic panel was all completely normal and that year long constantly creeping up 1.9 bilirubin is now 1.1

Liver values are all great.

PSA 0.4 (range 0-4.0)

Now for the money.....

Total test 769ng/dl !!!!!

Free test 21ng-dl (range 9-30)


Now....for those of you motherfuckers who hate and don't believe.....we are talking 13 months of complete suppression. No hcg or hcgenerate during that time. Will my body pick up production after pct?? I hope so. I have confidence it will. But heres proof natty supps work. BTW....i'm 37 so my natural recover from anything 22 yr old body is long gone.
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Wow fuck me in the ass that's insane lol

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burnthiscorpse said:
I base it on what I've done and how long. Had it been an 8 week cycle then I'd run 4 weeks pct. a 12-16 week cycle then It would probably be extended to 6 weeks. Why not? Skimping on recovery is stupid. Anything more...ie: real heavy cycle(which I don't do) or a long blast and cruise then you cant really throw enough PCT at it can you?

The only thing I didn't throw in that I wanted to was HMG. Its so hard to find a legit place for it. I wish we had a sponsor for it. Better yet I wish the "HMGenesis" that BRR was talking about was available now to try with this.

But in any case I figure without the HMG this PCT is a trial for 100% natty. Nothing pharmaceutical involved.
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HCG didn't do wonders for me my friend, I was disappointed so were a few of my clients. I stick with HCG kick-starts instead.
 
Congrats on a sick recovery! I will be trying your identical pct! Hope I respond as well as you have. Thanks for the thread!
 
calabresenj said:
Congrats on a sick recovery! I will be trying your identical pct! Hope I respond as well as you have. Thanks for the thread!
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I hope you do too. I use the shit I use because it works. I'm logging it because I'm sick and tired of people here and there saying guys here are just trying to pimp supplements that don't really do anything.




I have had a few extra days off between starting my split over because I have been sick as shit with a lovely summer cold for over a week.:mad::mad:

I had to pound the Sudafed all day, take a ripped fuel, A bunch of albuterol inhaler hits and a pre workout just to get my system moving enough to go train chest tonight. Everything felt heavy as shit but at least I won't miss a week. Pumps were still huge and vascular thanks to Bridge And DAA.
 
Good to see the bloods back bro, my retarded endo forgot my lh and GH serum on my last blood s too... wanker !

not to hijack but how are injuries healing up ?
 
Next week I will be switching it up a bit. I've decided to Just run bridge at 4 caps ED and DAA at about 6 grams ED. This will take me about 4 more weeks from right now and I'm gonna call it quits for PCT.

Reason being with the numbers I got for bloods I want to see how well my body picks things up. So I can verify this as soon as I can so I can get back on Bridge/DAA and some other Natty stuff asap lol. I already know I'm going to hate being off bridge and DAA.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Next week I will be switching it up a bit. I've decided to Just run bridge at 4 caps ED and DAA at about 6 grams ED. This will take me about 4 more weeks from right now and I'm gonna call it quits for PCT.

Reason being with the numbers I got for bloods I want to see how well my body picks things up. So I can verify this as soon as I can so I can get back on Bridge/DAA and some other Natty stuff asap lol. I already know I'm going to hate being off bridge and DAA.
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You have one of the most amazing PCT runs I've seen my friend :)
 
Referring back to the original post my iron levels were not sky high per the red cross' tests. their equipment was apparently fucked.
also the lower wbc and platelets is apparently a side effect in some from extended periods of elevated TT levels.
we shall see mid august when new bloods are done.


as for pct I feel great. everything is functioning great. training sucks. I have had this cold for 2 weeks + making everything achey and making me quite weak. but ive still drug my ass to the gym just enough to keep some muscle stimulation going.
 
MickB said:
Was your injury a proximal bicep tendon rupture?
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Sorry bro, I missed this before.

No nothing like that. What happened was instead of squatting moderate weight and high reps I decided to start squatting higher weights for singles, doubles, triples, ect. My quads don't really need a lot of stimulation or work as they are already huge. Plus Bodybuilding (high rep and lots of sets) leg work really kills my knee with the torn acl in it.
So as I ventured into higher weights I also dropped the bar down off my traps more powerlifting style (where the bar should be). My gym doesn't have any fucking real 8' squat bars. So My arms are already cramped when squatting to begin with.
So when I loaded 455 onto the bar and gave it a go it all went great. But what I didn't realize til the following days when the pain really came out was that while squatting I should have leaned forward just a touch more than I did. if I had done so the bar would have balanced/rested more so on my back. having not done this I apparently subconsciously felt the need to deathgrip the bar and hold it to my back like my life depended on it. In doing this with this amount of weight for 3 singles I put so much strain on my brachialis (both sides) that it just...well...strained them and the surrounding connective tissue so fucking bad that I couldn't do anything in the following week. So I took a month off. I literally couldn't do anything without aggravating it. Nothing helped. Compression and lidocaine patches were the only thing that made it ease up. Just took time other than that. I'm able to train pretty good now. Chest day doesn't bother it, tris don't bother, I have been using the manta ray cheater squat thing on the bar to make my arms not have to do as much work so that's not bad. heavy deads really aggravate it. But I have sworn off deads for quite a while because Every other time my lower back in the L2-L3 area just gets tweaked. Why? I dunno. My form is fucking perfect. I did pull the low left lumbar muscle a year ago so I think things are still out of balance. Hell its out and tweaked right now. Hurts like a bitch in the morning til it warms up some. I hang upside down a few times a day. It will work itself back in and when it does I'll be doing nothing but massive amount of hypers til the area is strong. But I digress....that's my back now not my arms.
 
RickRock13 said:
Getting over illness sucks, and I know hard it is to keep up the intensity at the gym because of it. Nice to see you pushing through it though
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Yeah...down to just some sinus stuff now. This was an ever mutating cold. I haven't been sick in over two years either.


On a side note...my fucking nuts are huge. Like heavy too. I feel like I have an elephant sack.

Just took the last of my Hcgenerate. Just 4 caps of bridge ED and double servings of DAA now for a few more weeks.
 
I gotta say after reading your thread I tried a similar approach. I don't mean to hijack your thread. I just want to thank you for writing it and agree it totally works.
I have been off since march. I did a full pct for 6 weeks back in march because I was on for 16wks. I didn't recover after my original pct. I don't know if my clomid & hcg were beat or under dosed but for whatever reason mid may I still had raisins. So after this thread I tried a double dose of hcgen for 14 days. I was going to also do 10 but after 10 I still hadn't seen any change. I'm also running post cycle/ unleashed at the prescribed dose and I'm running test infusion at the prescribed dose. I'm also doing a double dose of daa.
Let me say after 2wks my balls are back!!!!!
It is an amazing feeling having balls again! I was so worried I wouldn't recover.
Burn this corpse, thank you for this thread! Need2 thanks for all your tireless research!
 
calabresenj said:
I gotta say after reading your thread I tried a similar approach. I don't mean to hijack your thread. I just want to thank you for writing it and agree it totally works.
I have been off since march. I did a full pct for 6 weeks back in march because I was on for 16wks. I didn't recover after my original pct. I don't know if my clomid & hcg were beat or under dosed but for whatever reason mid may I still had raisins. So after this thread I tried a double dose of hcgen for 14 days. I was going to also do 10 but after 10 I still hadn't seen any change. I'm also running post cycle/ unleashed at the prescribed dose and I'm running test infusion at the prescribed dose. I'm also doing a double dose of daa.
Let me say after 2wks my balls are back!!!!!
It is an amazing feeling having balls again! I was so worried I wouldn't recover.
Burn this corpse, thank you for this thread! Need2 thanks for all your tireless research!
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No hijack here bro. This is why I made this thread. For people to learn from. if someone wants to share experiences here that's fine with me too.
About mid cruise....before I came off....probably 6 mos on, I used up a partial bottle of hcgenerate. Took like 3 a day for 4 days. Didn't have much left. But my balls went from raisins to about 3/4 size. When I did my blast pre pct I had been shut down so long that it did take most of the time on 10 a day for them to come back. Honstly I was starting to get worried. But right at the end, wham... they came back quick. Just a testament to how hard I was shut down. But it works. Bottom line.
BRR was the mastermind behind Hcgenerate....thank him.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
No hijack here bro. This is why I made this thread. For people to learn from. if someone wants to share experiences here that's fine with me too.
About mid cruise....before I came off....probably 6 mos on, I used up a partial bottle of hcgenerate. Took like 3 a day for 4 days. Didn't have much left. But my balls went from raisins to about 3/4 size. When I did my blast pre pct I had been shut down so long that it did take most of the time on 10 a day for them to come back. Honstly I was starting to get worried. But right at the end, wham... they came back quick. Just a testament to how hard I was shut down. But it works. Bottom line.
BRR was the mastermind behind Hcgenerate....thank him.
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HCGenerate is like ball juice to people, it's just some amazing stuff. :)
 
so there hasnt been much to update til now. I stopped bridge about 5 days ago. I have to say training sucks now. after a week taking it I felt "on" again. then after a few weeks I got used to the feeling and didnt notice it working. boy let me tell you I can feel it now that its gone! I was taking 6 caps ed for the final 2 weeks. I definatley see a difference. that slightly swollen look is gone. I look a little flat. I feel flat in more ways than one.
physically im a little run down but sexually everything is working great. feel like I stopped test cold turkey.
 
whats up with your training bro ? lifts down ?...natty is no fun compared to the power of the dark-side ..you knew that,lol.

you still training BB style 5x15 or something similar ? and whens your next bloods getting pulled ????????

i'm gonna sweet talk you into a test/tren/mast cycle before the year is out ..bwahahahaha ..you know it :evil:
 
when i come off my body actually improves, i get more cut and the bloat goes away. nothing you can do about the strength losses though being on hormones vs. being off. i'm not gonna bullshit anyone into thinking otherwise. BUT strength will come back quickly once you go back on at a later date.

the important thing is your balls are back and you are in recovery mode.
 
psych_0ut said:
Really helpful thread here. Do you think there would have been any added benefit if you had used a serm and hcg?
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no benefit from the serm imho. hcg over hcgenerate.....hmmm maybe a touch faster results but I wanted to really put all the shit I used to the test.


steve and columbus, next bloods in about 3.5 weeks or so. cycle this year isnt probable even with good bloods this time(unless you are footing the bill bro!)
lifts are definitely down. I mean thats an obvious effect of no aas. but they went down a surprising amount after dropping bridge. the amount of weight being lifted isnt a real issue. I learned to check my ego and pride at the gym door a long time ago and stay on whatever goal track you're on. just because some douche bag whos face pisses you off is lifting more than you and you know you can lift more than him doesnt mean you ditch your bb'ing chest workout for that day and start powerlifting just to show off and likely strain ancillary muscles that arent used to what your ego wants them to do and thus fuck up your split for the next two weeks.
the issue im having after the bridge is just lack of stamina in the gym. chest pumps hurt like hell (like going to rip off the sternum ) natty stuff really. my joints and connective tissue is kinda getting angry the last week too. what im going tk do for the next month is back way off and do very high reps to get the connective tissue happy again. do lots more core and cardio ect.
I did a very minimal chest workout last week and I was still sore. so I guess I didnt realize how much I need to back off and recondition. but....its also a testament to how fucking great bridge is imho.

on a positive note I want to fuck all the time so not only must my test levels be ok but my fsh and lh must be working.
 
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man have you thought about running SARMS? I know you said drug free PCT, but to be honest I feel Ostarine took my PCT to a whole nother level. Way beyond what anything I had tried before. I would say give it a try now, with some GW. Keep the S4 out of it, so you don't shut yourself down whatsoever. But osta and GW would be totally safe and probably be great for your strength AND your joints.
 
ballslee said:
man have you thought about running SARMS? I know you said drug free PCT, but to be honest I feel Ostarine took my PCT to a whole nother level. Way beyond what anything I had tried before. I would say give it a try now, with some GW. Keep the S4 out of it, so you don't shut yourself down whatsoever. But osta and GW would be totally safe and probably be great for your strength AND your joints.
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Nah, PCT is over bro. Its just my body getting used to being natty for the first time in a very long time.
 
looking forward to your bloods.

if you can recover from a year on then this opens up a whole nother ballgame for a lot of people and gives them hope. i deal with a lot of guys who have been on a year or two who struggle to recover, not because their PCT failed but because they just don't have the patience like you said to check their ego at the door and accept that they aren't gonna be able to bench 4 plates anymore off the juice, or stand in front of the mirror and have a fuller bicep when they do curls to show off to the hottie next to them.
 
Bloods drawn this morning. Made a follow up apt for next Friday. Hopefully all of it will be back by then.
Made sure to get FSH and LH in there this time too. They have to be working well.....my wife is like dude...omfg with you.

I have really backed off the weight. my fucking knees are a train wreck right now. Both patella tendons are killing me 24/7 for some reason. No legs in forever.
Elbows are giving me a lot of grief too. SO I am doing what I call a complete reset. Starting last week i'm only doing two exercises per body part but I am doing 5x20 on everything. My Flat bench last week was 135 for 5x20. I didn't even get 5x20. I got 20, 20, 20, 16, 10. Sad. But 5x20 is a different animal. Then I switch to incline smith and do the same. No increasing in weight until I hit the full 5x20 without fail. Then the following week I raise 10 lb. Re acclimates the shoulders, joints, connective tissue ect... Last chest day I got a full 5x20. Not on incline though. Its a real bitch. I am so fucking sore its not funny and its been two days.

I am taking nothing. No supps, not even any vitamins. Just 25mcg T3 2x a day 3 on 1 off. The T3 isn't for cutting. My T3 was actually in the toilet last bloods so this is an experiment to see what this blood work looks like.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Bloods drawn this morning. Made a follow up apt for next Friday. Hopefully all of it will be back by then.
Made sure to get FSH and LH in there this time too. They have to be working well.....my wife is like dude...omfg with you.

I have really backed off the weight. my fucking knees are a train wreck right now. Both patella tendons are killing me 24/7 for some reason. No legs in forever.
Elbows are giving me a lot of grief too. SO I am doing what I call a complete reset. Starting last week i'm only doing two exercises per body part but I am doing 5x20 on everything. My Flat bench last week was 135 for 5x20. I didn't even get 5x20. I got 20, 20, 20, 16, 10. Sad. But 5x20 is a different animal. Then I switch to incline smith and do the same. No increasing in weight until I hit the full 5x20 without fail. Then the following week I raise 10 lb. Re acclimates the shoulders, joints, connective tissue ect... Last chest day I got a full 5x20. Not on incline though. Its a real bitch. I am so fucking sore its not funny and its been two days.

I am taking nothing. No supps, not even any vitamins. Just 25mcg T3 2x a day 3 on 1 off. The T3 isn't for cutting. My T3 was actually in the toilet last bloods so this is an experiment to see what this blood work looks like.
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i'm gonna try this for a few weeks bro.^^^

supra supiantus-tendonitus is back in town on the left shoulder and i am fresh out of Tb500.

and i dont want another 4 week lay-off .
 
ledhead said:
I personally don't do PCTs but this is a very interesting thread. Nice work, BTC...
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Hey brother. Thanks for dropping in here :cool:

With all the little nagging injuries and blood work things I just decided it was time to take a break. After 13 months of constant suppression there was no way I was getting off easy here recovery wise. Being that I went all natty PCT wise I am super fucking impressed at what has happened. I really only spent about 2 weeks total of the very first stage of pct feeling like shit and being miserable. Its been great after that. Cant wait for my bloods this Friday.
 
Just wondering if u are gonna cycle again in the near future? Or gonna take an extended time off? Regardless ur PCT and natty run has been impressive

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Mazzz said:
Just wondering if u are gonna cycle again in the near future? Or gonna take an extended time off? Regardless ur PCT and natty run has been impressive

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Do I plan on it? Yes. When? Not sure. Definitely not before next March or April. We will see how the blood work goes. My platelet count was low last two times but it only caught my attention this past time. I need to see WTF is up with that first and foremost. I was taking 2 800mg motrin a day almost and also using at least two full doses of voltaren a day for a while prior to last bloods. Those are proven platelet killers(yes I know they aren't good for you) . With my RBC, hemocrit and hemoglobin up near the top 3/4 of the range and ferritin looking good last time I suspect it was the meds. I asked for an ass load of blood work this time. 7 tubes she took out of me!

I also need to stay light for a while and give my body and connective tissue a break. Not that I beat on my connective tissue. but even with moderate weights if your intensity is super high it still takes a toll. Add to that, that I need and have needed for years ACL reconstruction and a meniscus repair I am debating on doing that this winter as well.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Do I plan on it? Yes. When? Not sure. Definitely not before next March or April. We will see how the blood work goes. My platelet count was low last two times but it only caught my attention this past time. I need to see WTF is up with that first and foremost. I was taking 2 800mg motrin a day almost and also using at least two full doses of voltaren a day for a while prior to last bloods. Those are proven platelet killers(yes I know they aren't good for you) . With my RBC, hemocrit and hemoglobin up near the top 3/4 of the range and ferritin looking good last time I suspect it was the meds. I asked for an ass load of blood work this time. 7 tubes she took out of me!

I also need to stay light for a while and give my body and connective tissue a break. Not that I beat on my connective tissue. but even with moderate weights if your intensity is super high it still takes a toll. Add to that, that I need and have needed for years ACL reconstruction and a meniscus repair I am debating on doing that this winter as well.
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would love to see your next cycle bro :)
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
would love to see your next cycle bro :)
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Well I was talking a while back with BRR about running a natty "cycle" so to speak after this blood work comes back. Using some NTBM stuff and logging the results. I really want to give my body a break from actual AAS for a good year. IIRC I am at about 4.5 mos right now. If I were to run AAS again next march or april that would have given me that year off.

I am actually taking my kid to the doctor momentarily and even though I have an apt this Friday for bloods follow up I am going to get whatever blood work is back so far. Probably just my metabolic and CBC.

My proposed cycle next year would be something along the lines of blast, natty cruise, blast, pct.

week 1-4 : Tren ace 50-75mg EOD (yes light)
Week 5-8: Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Week 1-8: Test P 60 mg eod
week 4-8 : 3 caps Hcgenerate ED

week 9-16: 5 caps HCgenerate ED
Week 9-16: 4 caps Bridge ED

Week 17-21: Tren E 200mg wk
week 21-26: Tren E 300mg wk
Week 17-21: EQ 400mg wk
week 21-26: eq 500mg wk (yes kids, EQ for 10 weeks)
week 17-26: 125-150mg test wk (trt base basically)

also considering adding mast E

This is just a rough outline. Nothing set in stone.
 
Ok kids, this is what we all have been waiting for. To my surprise everything was back except my thyroid panel. I was shocked. I will post what I feel to be most pertinent. Remember PCT is long over. No supps, no vitamins, no nothing. This is the definitive result of the PCT I ran.

WBC: 4.7 ( a little low but up from last time)

RBC: 5.28 (5.4 is top range)

Hemoglobin: 15.9 (14-18.0)

Hematocrit: 47 (42-52)

Platelet count: 144 (up from 125 last time. Was falling due to NSAID and Voltaren use. now I have verified this)

Creatinine: 1.3

ALT: 32 (14-54)

AST: 24 (12-42)

Did a complete iron breakdown and all was normal.

Triglycerides 69

Total cholesterol 163

HDL 47

LDL 102

Now for the money ..........

FSH 4.73 (1-20)

LH 3.10 (2-12)

^^^^ They seem on the low side right???

Free Test 15 (9-30)

Total Test 837 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you fucking kidding me???!!!!

It was 835 when I got bloods done a month before I started the whole 13 month cruise/blast shit.
 
^^^^ i would be incredibly pleased with those results bro.

your FSH will never recover to strong levels, i believe this is a permanent damage done by steroid abuse over time.. my FSH ticks down after every cycle myself, and plus you are also aging so that is evolution at work. but your LH is humming and your total T is excellent.. your lipids look good too
 
stevesmi said:
^^^^ i would be incredibly pleased with those results bro.

your FSH will never recover to strong levels, i believe this is a permanent damage done by steroid abuse over time.. my FSH ticks down after every cycle myself, and plus you are also aging so that is evolution at work. but your LH is humming and your total T is excellent.. your lipids look good too
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I was shocked at my total T. I have been eating too much chocolate and peanut butter m&m's, simple sugars, that's why my triglycerides are up a little from their usual almost non existant levels.

I'm pretty impressed overall. Big sigh of relief with the platelets increasing quite a bit after dropping the last two bloods. I was freaking the fuck out about that.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
I was shocked at my total T. I have been eating too much chocolate and peanut butter m&m's, simple sugars, that's why my triglycerides are up a little from their usual almost non existant levels.

I'm pretty impressed overall. Big sigh of relief with the platelets increasing quite a bit after dropping the last two bloods. I was freaking the fuck out about that.
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Wow look at that total T. Great results bro! My T has never been that high even before juice. Funny how everyone reacts differently to things.

Well done sir!
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Add to that, that I need and have needed for years ACL reconstruction and a meniscus repair I am debating on doing that this winter as well.
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The before and after of reconstructive ACL surgery is night and day. I would highly recommend it, I doubt my wobbly knee could have even squatted 3plates without it and I'm only 20.

Btw, great thread. This is really great PCT info and emphasizes the importance of baseline and post cycle blood work.
 
Bump for some of the new people I see posting that really need to read this thread.
Doesn't anyone get fucking blood work done anymore? Especially the guys new to AAS. Fucking poke and hope.....unreal.


There is nothing to update on the topic of the thread itself. I still feel great. Getting back into week 3 now. Had to take a moth off due to a scare involving a possible rear shoulder capsule tear. Whatever I did it is healed now. Then I realized my old ACL injury wasn't going to allow me to compete in something I wanted to do so I got a case of the fuck it's for another two months. SO I was off for 3 months. Yeah...not good.
I got my ACL taken care of 3 weeks ago today. I'm already about 3 weeks ahead of recovery schedule.
 
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