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Pct after 12 months

SinisterUproar

SinisterUproar

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Alright guys, got first cycle syndrome a year ago after doing test / npp and continued blasting and cruising for about a year. So 12 months 3 cycles 20lbs and a pretty considerable drop on body fat later it's time to stop. Defineyly a little frightened but all good things must come to an end. So here's my PCT protocol

1000 iu HCG E3D for 2 weeks
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
2 bottles of phytoserms
DAA
Ostarine 25mg a day for 4 weeks

Last last of HCG is tomorrow (Monday) and also will be starting clomid and everything else

I'll continue to update for anyone who cares and if anyone has suggestions let me know!
 
On a big or or long cycle like this, I've found benefit in clomid and Nolva in pct.

Something like:
Clomid 50/50/25/25/0/0
Nolva 0/0/40/20/20/10

Clomid and Nolva are similar but far from identical. Last time I ran the above, I had a good boost/lh response from the clomid and then a second noticeable boost when I added the Nolva.
 
Hey Sinister, I have followed your posts in the past, but I don't remember how old you are. IMO, you can't go wrong piling on the natty test boosters, and stretching out the PCT with these. Forma Stanzol, Unleashed/Post Cycle, etc. I know it's been a year, but 50 might be a little high for the clomid. But, above all, totally killing your training, even when you don't feel like it, and nailing your diet daily is what will help you maintain the gains. I'm following to see how it goes.
 
El Hefe said:
On a big or or long cycle like this, I've found benefit in clomid and Nolva in pct.

Something like:
Clomid 50/50/25/25/0/0
Nolva 0/0/40/20/20/10

Clomid and Nolva are similar but far from identical. Last time I ran the above, I had a good boost/lh response from the clomid and then a second noticeable boost when I added the Nolva.
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Everyone on this forum says nolva is no good, especially after tren which was the last cycle I did...
 
buddhabuilder said:
Hey Sinister, I have followed your posts in the past, but I don't remember how old you are. IMO, you can't go wrong piling on the natty test boosters, and stretching out the PCT with these. Forma Stanzol, Unleashed/Post Cycle, etc. I know it's been a year, but 50 might be a little high for the clomid. But, above all, totally killing your training, even when you don't feel like it, and nailing your diet daily is what will help you maintain the gains. I'm following to see how it goes.
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Yeah one area I could use help on I how I should be eating, I've actually been doing kind of low carbs cuz I still want to take some fat off, and possibly adding some albuteral in here as we'll. I'm 24. I take in about 250-300 gram of protein everyday carbs I couldn't tell you cuz I'm
Not being that strict about it right now. But I guess I'm just going to keep stuffing my face and eating clean for the most part?
 
El Hefe said:
Yeah, Nolva users on this forum are kinda like outlaws. Lol



Well, that part is debatable. Ultimately it's your decision. But, if you've kept estrogen, prolactin, etc. under control during cycle and goin into PCT, I see no problem.

Just my opinion. Best of luck bro.
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Thanks man, and yeah I've been eating aromasin and caber like candy
 
ive never heard of this "first cycle syndrome" you speak of. Sounds like you just dont want to use responsibly.
 
SinisterUproar said:
Alright guys, got first cycle syndrome a year ago after doing test / npp and continued blasting and cruising for about a year. So 12 months 3 cycles 20lbs and a pretty considerable drop on body fat later it's time to stop. Defineyly a little frightened but all good things must come to an end. So here's my PCT protocol

1000 iu HCG E3D for 2 weeks
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
2 bottles of phytoserms
DAA
Ostarine 25mg a day for 4 weeks

Last last of HCG is tomorrow (Monday) and also will be starting clomid and everything else

I'll continue to update for anyone who cares and if anyone has suggestions let me know!
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your pct is gonna need to be stretched out longer than that if you were on for a year.

you are on the right track with it though.. just stretch it out longer
 
SinisterUproar said:
Everyone on this forum says nolva is no good, especially after tren which was the last cycle I did...
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depending on who you're talking to, Nolva is actually better... Clomid has been shown to decrease response to GNRH, whereas Nolva has not...

i would say for a shorter cycle, it might not matter that much....but for a year long cycle, then it prolly matters a lot.

Pituitary Sensitivity to GnRH
http://www.forbodybuilders.net/2009/05/clomid-clomifene-citrate-vs-nolvadex-tamoxifen-citrate/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/640052


and i wouldn't use a SARM at this point, as they have been shown to cause some suppression....
 
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SinisterUproar said:
What do u suggest Steve?
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do what you are doing bro. but i'm saying 5 weeks isn't long enough if you have been on a year. or you can do 5 week pct... stop for a couple weeks.. then another 5 week pct. stop then do bloods and see where you are at..

it probably will take 2 or 3 of them to recover yourself after being on for a year. but its possible as has been proven to come back.

don't forget to use my link Ruthless Supplements and the discount CYCLENOW gets you a buy 3 get 2 free deal. gotta have 5 products in your cart though before applying discount and you can mix and match RS trans with the phyto to make up the 5.

do that and you will be golden
 
BshMstr said:
depending on who you're talking to, Nolva is actually better... Clomid has been shown to decrease response to GNRH, whereas Nolva has not...

i would say for a shorter cycle, it might not matter that much....but for a year long cycle, then it prolly matters a lot.

Pituitary Sensitivity to GnRH
Clomid (clomifene citrate )vs. Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) | For Bodybuilders-Anabolic Steroids

Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen... [Fertil Steril. 1978] - PubMed - NCBI


and i wouldn't use a SARM at this point, as they have been shown to cause some suppression....
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any SERM will boost LH and total T but its up to the body to bounce back which is why you need phtyo-serms or T stack Rx to give you a natural boost without suppression.

and not all SARM's are suppressive.. LGD is of course, but thats not what was recommended in this instance
 
The most important thing to do is get bloods after being on for so long. A 4 week PCT isn't going to cut it either. I would plan on a good two month OCT if I were you, and use the best possible stack you can for recovery. In this instance, I would recommend a Clmoid and Nolva combo along with Test stack. You need the best booster money can buy in this instance, and test stack is what you want for recovery. If you want a discount on it, send me a PM. I can't give that information out on the open forum. Top it off with some Formastanozol and you will be golden. Just make sure you are getting those bloods done.

Good luck bro. PM me with any questions, and keep us updated on how everything goes with you.
 
So I guess I'll just do everything for 8weeks instead. If I run ostarine for 8 weeks does it have a higher chance of shutting me down?
 
SinisterUproar said:
So I guess I'll just do everything for 8weeks instead. If I run ostarine for 8 weeks does it have a higher chance of shutting me down?
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Yes, it will have a higher chance of shutting you down the longer you run it but it also depends on the dose. Your situation is a little different than the norm because of how long you were on. Because of that, I would probably run the Ostarine at a lower dose for the 8 weeks. I would run it at about 12.5mg per day which is still an effective dose, but with minimal to no effect on suppression.
 
stevesmi said:
any SERM will boost LH and total T but its up to the body to bounce back which is why you need phtyo-serms or T stack Rx to give you a natural boost without suppression.

and not all SARM's are suppressive.. LGD is of course, but thats not what was recommended in this instance
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the original Ostarine study showed that it was slightly suppressive at 3mg/day...

and there have since been many users with the bloodwork to show that 25mg/day is also suppressive, although not as bad as heavy AAS use...


if a guy is trying to do PCT right, seems like you'd want him to avoid anything that could cause suppression...
 
buddhabuilder said:
Back to the diet. Give me a little more to work with, body weight, over all calories, etc.
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I'm 5'5 was 170... Now around 162. 24 10%Bf. diet is usually just clean food. I'm usually on the run or at work so I cook some chicken and potatoes and go. Anyway this is a typical day

Meal 1 - 1 cup brown rice 10oz chic
Meal 2 - turkey sandwich on wheat bread no mayo
Meal 3 - 5oz Idaho potatoe 5oz chick
Meal 4 - 50g beef protein in water
Meal 5 - 10oz chic
Meal 6 - 10 oz chicken veg if I'm lucky
Meal - 7 ( if it happens it's more chicken)
 
SinisterUproar said:
I'm 5'5 was 170... Now around 162. 24 10%Bf. diet is usually just clean food. I'm usually on the run or at work so I cook some chicken and potatoes and go. Anyway this is a typical day

Meal 1 - 1 cup brown rice 10oz chic
Meal 2 - turkey sandwich on wheat bread no mayo
Meal 3 - 5oz Idaho potatoe 5oz chick
Meal 4 - 50g beef protein in water
Meal 5 - 10oz chic
Meal 6 - 10 oz chicken veg if I'm lucky
Meal - 7 ( if it happens it's more chicken)
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Protein looks more than plenty for your weight. I would drop that protein down to about 250g per day and increase carbs. Carbs look too low to me
 
500 iu's of HCG EOD plus 1/4 tab of a-dex EOD for 2 weeks, followed by double does of UNLEASHED and POST-CYCLE for 2 months.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Why don't you read the thread in my sig then come back and tell me know how you make out. 13 months blast and cruise. Blood work during PCT and after PCT. No drugs all natty PCT. I laid the blueprint out for you as I just went through exactly what you're asking about.
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Yeah bro I actually remember reading your thread but I could find it. I use the forum app on my phone and the search button doesn't work very well
 
Just a quick update, I've been off for 2.5 weeks now and finished with HCG and been on my pct protocol for 3 days. Honestly I feel great. Kind of worried it's not going to last. I lost about 6 pounds but I'm still the same size besides for a little swelling. On a side note, how do I know if my clomid is working? It's from genesis labs and looks legit but I thought it was supposed to have sides and I don't feel any?
 
SinisterUproar said:
Just a quick update, I've been off for 2.5 weeks now and finished with HCG and been on my pct protocol for 3 days. Honestly I feel great. Kind of worried it's not going to last. I lost about 6 pounds but I'm still the same size besides for a little swelling. On a side note, how do I know if my clomid is working? It's from genesis labs and looks legit but I thought it was supposed to have sides and I don't feel any?
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Yeh you haven't even hit the wall yet bro. In another couple weeks when everything had cleared out is where the real comeback starts.
 
Another quick update guys, still feeling good. Know my clomid is working because my libido is completly killed which sucks but I can deal with it. Ostarine seems good so far but it's too soon to tell. So far so good
 
Update: defineyly losing some gains. Dunno if it's all water and swelling but I'm defineyly smaller. Don't think the ostarine has kicked in yet but I'm still feeling good. Hoping I don't lose a lot more :-/
 
You've got to lose something. No need feeling bad about it, your body has been on for a long time.

So far feeling good atleast, im exited to hear your results and bloodwork.
Your strength dropped compared to size? Sure a good layer of water is coming off,

Best of luck!
 
SinisterUproar said:
Update: defineyly losing some gains. Dunno if it's all water and swelling but I'm defineyly smaller. Don't think the ostarine has kicked in yet but I'm still feeling good. Hoping I don't lose a lot more :-/
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Yeah, that's going to happen to some degree but you just have to do your best to recover and make the best of it. Thanks for keeping us updated
 
The things I have noticed most is I've gone bAck to the "normal" look. I'm not super swelled up anymore, my skin isn't super tight like it was, I still have veins but like I said I guess I've gone back to a more "normal" look. If anyone understand that. I'm already itching to jump back on lol
 
SinisterUproar said:
The things I have noticed most is I've gone bAck to the "normal" look. I'm not super swelled up anymore, my skin isn't super tight like it was, I still have veins but like I said I guess I've gone back to a more "normal" look. If anyone understand that. I'm already itching to jump back on lol
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As much as you want to run your pct out and recover. Take the time off dial in your training and diet. Of course you want to be on it is addictive.
 
Thinking about running a sarms triple stack as a bridge. Gonna do plenty of research on it but if anyone wants to add there 2 cents here I'm open too it. I've got no experience with sarms
 
Another update. 5 weeks off cycle now. Still feeling fine and actually seem to have stopped shrinking and seem too have kept a good amount of gains. Strength is down, and I'm definetly starting to put some fat on. Not sure if I should start doing somthing about that or if I should just let it keep coming so I don't lose any size. All in all besides a small amount of depression and not wanting to work out (especially legs) everything's going smooth
 
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