Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below If any ergopharm reps or PA himself check this board, I (and others, i assume) would appreciate a response to the side effects that people have been reporting with 1-AD usage. I understand and recognize that putting foreign bodies into the body will have some effects, even tylenol has side effects. However, the idea of individuals passing solid substances during urination is of some concern. I have read that these painful urinations completely ceased when the version was switched to the DIOL. However, unless all of these users have been using the old version then this is not the case. I have seen the results of 1-AD first hand on a friend and i am impressed. However, i would really like to have this problem addressed. Problems while urinating can be a very serious issue..........................thanks
Pat Arnold and 1-AD
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Fart Barker
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bump me.............PA not trying to imlpy that 1AD causes stones but jusst wanted your input on what it might be. Could 1 AD not be completely breaking down thus some is being passed in urine. I would think that it would be more likely to be passed in feces. If it is the case that 1AD is passing thru kidneys , could this not be rectified by grinding the 1AD into a finer powder thus making it more esily processed?
sleepy said:
I do not understand what this phenomenon is and cannot see why the 1-AD would have this property. Nor have i heard of this happening anywhere but with this one guy and the guy who responded to him. And I don't know who these guys are - if they are bullshitters, or whatever.
1-AD would not be absorbed through the GI tract in a solid form in the first place. It has to be solublized to pass through the intestine wall. Then the hormone gets metabolized and most of it is linked to a water soluble functional group such as sulfate or glucorinide before it is excreted in the urine.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the stuff is resistant to this conjugation step and therefore gets peed out in a water insoluble free form, which would indeed end up as cloudiness in the urine. But I have never heard of such a phenomenon with 1-AD, its derivatives, or any other steroids for that matter, so I doubt that this explanation is valid.
What i think is most likely is this solid pee thing is not legit in the first place, cuz if it was, I surely would have heard about it by now. Either that or this guy(s) has a unique problem with his physiology
1AD Side Effects
1AD may be causing stomach pains. I have done a total of 7 bottles of 1AD and have only 1 bottle left. During the past 4 weeks i have had some stomach problems. The first pain in the stomach was very intense and hurt like hell but went away after only 3 or 4 minutes. The second time last for over 2 hrs, i had to lay down while my lower right side may it imposible to move, could not even get to a phone to call a doctor. The next day my side was still hurting from the severe pain the day before. Went to the doctors office and she checked my urine and did a blood test. She found only a few red blood cells in my urine, not enought to worry about. Still waiting on the results from the blood test. Doctor thinks that it could have been kidney stones which makes me wonder if its was related to 1AD that i have been taking. Pat Arnold is our best hope for finding a supplement that will work, but he still is not doing enought research to make sure his products are safe. Remember how he made fun of the guy who first posted about burning urine before changing from a dione to a doil. I also had the burning urine along with my workout parner. That problem went away after making the conversion. My point is Pat always seems to denied any side effects, like its a personal problem and not supplement related. So after numerious people on the board posted comments about burning urine, Pat changed his formula. It also seem like only a few weeks before the new version was on the market, not enought time to do any research. A question for Pat , are these stomach pains related to your supplement or is it still a personal thing. I always consumed food before taking the supplement as the bottle indicates. Considering how dispointing my gains were while on 1AD and that painfull side effects, i will no longer be taking 1AD. The only other side effect has been some hair lost, no zits, no bitch tits.
1AD may be causing stomach pains. I have done a total of 7 bottles of 1AD and have only 1 bottle left. During the past 4 weeks i have had some stomach problems. The first pain in the stomach was very intense and hurt like hell but went away after only 3 or 4 minutes. The second time last for over 2 hrs, i had to lay down while my lower right side may it imposible to move, could not even get to a phone to call a doctor. The next day my side was still hurting from the severe pain the day before. Went to the doctors office and she checked my urine and did a blood test. She found only a few red blood cells in my urine, not enought to worry about. Still waiting on the results from the blood test. Doctor thinks that it could have been kidney stones which makes me wonder if its was related to 1AD that i have been taking. Pat Arnold is our best hope for finding a supplement that will work, but he still is not doing enought research to make sure his products are safe. Remember how he made fun of the guy who first posted about burning urine before changing from a dione to a doil. I also had the burning urine along with my workout parner. That problem went away after making the conversion. My point is Pat always seems to denied any side effects, like its a personal problem and not supplement related. So after numerious people on the board posted comments about burning urine, Pat changed his formula. It also seem like only a few weeks before the new version was on the market, not enought time to do any research. A question for Pat , are these stomach pains related to your supplement or is it still a personal thing. I always consumed food before taking the supplement as the bottle indicates. Considering how dispointing my gains were while on 1AD and that painfull side effects, i will no longer be taking 1AD. The only other side effect has been some hair lost, no zits, no bitch tits.
riskybizz007
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what's scaring me is a lot of people reporting hair loss...
riskybizz007 said:
Androgens cause hair loss in some people.
It is an androgen. I am not exactly sure how people expect it to bind to the AR in muscle tissue but not in the scalp. And, from the majority of feedback, it seems as though it does an excellent job of bypassing the liver, converting to 1-test, and binding to the AR.
Is it because it is a supplement and not an illegal drug??
If testosterone were legal, there would be people taking doses that give less results than 1-AD commenting about hair loss, too.
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PA,
I was the other "bullshitter" that you referred to in your reply to this post. Let me just say this, I'm still on the 1-ad (starting week 2 of my first cycle, 100 mg per day still), and havne't experienced the same problems with urination that I did in day 2. You'll notice that I haven't been on the board bitching about sides since then. The only sides I've experienced since day two are increased acne, and a sore throat/chest congestion condition. Now, I'm smart enough to know that either of those could be completely unrelated to the 1-ad supplmentation, so you haven't seen me on her bitching about how 1-ad is fucking my shit up royally. Hell, I can't even be sure that the urination problem I experienced in day 2 was due to the 1-ad, but it does seem a little odd that I had that problem (something I've never experienced before) 2 days after I starting introducing a new substance into my body. So yeah, I chalked that one up to 1-ad, but either my body has learned to deal with it, I got a bad pill that day, or something about my diet has compensated for the problem. Whatever the case, I haven't experienced any of that problem since then. At the same time, I haven't experienced any of the phenomenal growth that some of the other users on this site have reported. In fact, my weight and BF have pretty much stayed the same since I started. Granted, I'm just now into week 2, so I'm not worrying about it too much....this week in the gym will be interesting, as most people report that they started realizing their gains in the 2nd and 3rd weeks of their cycle. We'll see how it goes.
Just wanted to let you know that I'm not a bullshitter, or hater of Ergopharm, or employee of another supp. company. I'm just a newcomer to the iron game, in my early 30's trying to get an edge, who has read rave reviews about your supp. and is giving it a shot. And since their is so much hype and interest about this product, I'm damn sure gonna share my experiences with it with my bros on the board, just as I'm glad they are doing the same with me. As you said, there has been no empirical research on this product, so folks like us that are trying it or thinking about trying it, have to rely on the anecdotal evidence of other users to decide whether or not we are going to lay down our hard earned dinero for it.
Hey, I more than anybody else on this board, want this shit to work for me....and I'm going to give it the full 6 weeks to see how it goes. If I grow, and get stronger with minimal sides, I'll keep buying. If not, I won't. That simple.
I was the other "bullshitter" that you referred to in your reply to this post. Let me just say this, I'm still on the 1-ad (starting week 2 of my first cycle, 100 mg per day still), and havne't experienced the same problems with urination that I did in day 2. You'll notice that I haven't been on the board bitching about sides since then. The only sides I've experienced since day two are increased acne, and a sore throat/chest congestion condition. Now, I'm smart enough to know that either of those could be completely unrelated to the 1-ad supplmentation, so you haven't seen me on her bitching about how 1-ad is fucking my shit up royally. Hell, I can't even be sure that the urination problem I experienced in day 2 was due to the 1-ad, but it does seem a little odd that I had that problem (something I've never experienced before) 2 days after I starting introducing a new substance into my body. So yeah, I chalked that one up to 1-ad, but either my body has learned to deal with it, I got a bad pill that day, or something about my diet has compensated for the problem. Whatever the case, I haven't experienced any of that problem since then. At the same time, I haven't experienced any of the phenomenal growth that some of the other users on this site have reported. In fact, my weight and BF have pretty much stayed the same since I started. Granted, I'm just now into week 2, so I'm not worrying about it too much....this week in the gym will be interesting, as most people report that they started realizing their gains in the 2nd and 3rd weeks of their cycle. We'll see how it goes.
Just wanted to let you know that I'm not a bullshitter, or hater of Ergopharm, or employee of another supp. company. I'm just a newcomer to the iron game, in my early 30's trying to get an edge, who has read rave reviews about your supp. and is giving it a shot. And since their is so much hype and interest about this product, I'm damn sure gonna share my experiences with it with my bros on the board, just as I'm glad they are doing the same with me. As you said, there has been no empirical research on this product, so folks like us that are trying it or thinking about trying it, have to rely on the anecdotal evidence of other users to decide whether or not we are going to lay down our hard earned dinero for it.
Hey, I more than anybody else on this board, want this shit to work for me....and I'm going to give it the full 6 weeks to see how it goes. If I grow, and get stronger with minimal sides, I'll keep buying. If not, I won't. That simple.
