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Just a few brief notes on the over-the-counter (OTC) hormones I've personally used to build muscle.



Both were transdermal (topically applied) products. The first was Dermacrine, of which I used a total of 3 bottles, 2 of which were run back-to-back over a 10 week period. This is topically absorbed DHEA, which is said to effectively deliver more of this hormone to the bloodstream as it bypasses the liver. The liver ordinarily destroys a large portion of the hormone when taken orally. Below is a link to the product I used

Dermacrine - Boosting Testosterone with Topical DHEA and Pregnenolone

DHEA in my experience appears to be more androgenic than anabolic, but as it's pretty mild stuff I'm not suggesting it's very much of either. In this case I'm using the term androgenic to refer primarily to strength promoting effects and anabolic to refer to muscle building effects. DHEA is not a "pro-hormone". It is a hormone. In the doses that can be delivered transdermally by this product though, it's effects are nothing like what one might expect from a drug like Anavar.

When I used Dermacrine I noticed a prominent, sustained energy and motivation boost in the gym. I'm not talking about the kind of spike and droop you get from stuff like NoExplode and the like. I just felt very stoked during workouts, which as you might expect can lead indirectly to gains. I also documented a very substantial strength increase while using the first bottle, but that strength boost plateaued after only 5 weeks. I did not observe any gains in lean body mass.



The other product I've used is 1-T Tren, which due to tightening DEA regs is now no longer available. A similar product though is now available from the manufacturer.

1-T Liqua-Vade

1-T Tren I believe was advertised as a "pro-steroid". Can't speak to this new product, but 1-T Tren wasn't a "pro-steroid". It was a steroid. The real deal Holyfield.

I used it as recommended (for a man) on the label. I got crazy pumps and I gained about 8 pounds of lean body mass over a 10 week period. I didn't gain a huge amount of strength though, which suggests to me 1-T Tren is a far more anabolic product than Dermacrine. The bicep pumps I got were actually painful. I didn't recognize my own arms they blew up so huge. Massive pumps like that are textbook hallmarks of steroid use. The vascularity increase across my quads, delts, and upper arms was stunning.

It also appears to have permanently lowered my voice a bit. This is a real steroid. If you find any examples of this product still around on foreign sites, or choose to use any OTC legal alternatives of this caliber, beware. These products are real. They carry the same potential gains and consequences of Anavar, Winstrol, Primo, etc.


As for the new Primordial Performance alternative I linked, if it even approaches the effectiveness of 1-T Tren, it's a great, legal resource for muscle building.
 
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Nice post Willow. It is so difficult to find any information about women and prohormones. I used the dercamine as well and had about the same results as you. I got a little more daring this summer and used Beastdrol (1/2 cap twice a day for 6 weeks). The results were 8lbs of lean muscle, decent strength gains, and a slightly lower voice. I loved the gains but will probably not try beastdrol in the future.


One product that I am curious about is epistrong (epistane). Have any of the ladies out there tried it? Any information would be appreciated.

I'm just a "part-timer" here but a forum for women to post results from these "legal" steroids anonomously might receive more input. Would this be possible???

Rebecca D
 
I would be curious about the use of epistane for women too I had a female friend that without my knoledge started taking M1T after about 3 weeks quit due t othe amount of bloating and did not feel well in general while on it. once I found out I advised her to drop it alltogether, not sure how a full cycle of M1T would affect a women I don't like it at all.
 
I got blood work done and have extremely low testosterone. Any ideas of what I could use to get a boost? Thanks.


If you mean how to increase your own natural production, the only thing I know for sure that has demonstrated efficacy in increasing T production is garlic. Garlic has been shown to increase LH, which is the hormonal signal for your gonads (in our case the ovaries) to make more testosterone.

Raw garlic is the cheap way to do it, but your breath will be pretty heinous. About 5 gloves (half a bulb) eaten in divided doses throughout the day. It does work. Consistently.

The far less stinky, but equally effective way is to use freeze dried garlic. That is the only way to prepare garlic in a capsule or tablet form and totally preserve it I cannot vouch for the cheapo tablets they sell in supermarkets. I have used freeze dried garlic (Pharmax brand) I bought off the internet and it works every bit as well as the fresh kind. I still use it. I take 6-7 of the 700mg capsules a day. You can use sugar free peppermint candies to get rid of most of the residual garlic stinky breath.
 
Great post rotten, its good to hear from the women and how you like the supps out.
 
Nice post Willow. It is so difficult to find any information about women and prohormones. I used the dercamine as well and had about the same results as you. I got a little more daring this summer and used Beastdrol (1/2 cap twice a day for 6 weeks). The results were 8lbs of lean muscle, decent strength gains, and a slightly lower voice. I loved the gains but will probably not try beastdrol in the future.


One product that I am curious about is epistrong (epistane). Have any of the ladies out there tried it? Any information would be appreciated.

I'm just a "part-timer" here but a forum for women to post results from these "legal" steroids anonomously might receive more input. Would this be possible???

Rebecca D

I never advice the use of these products to woman (of course you already knew this bec) however I do talk with many woman who have used these products and the common feed back I have gotten from many woman is that epi is the product hormone of choice now. Seems to give the best results with the least sides for woman. Again this is purely going on feed back alone.

Of course I have offered to let little mis willow be a test subject lolol.. So we can all watch her log on the product.
 
Nice post Willow. It is so difficult to find any information about women and prohormones. I used the dercamine as well and had about the same results as you. I got a little more daring this summer and used Beastdrol (1/2 cap twice a day for 6 weeks). The results were 8lbs of lean muscle, decent strength gains, and a slightly lower voice. I loved the gains but will probably not try beastdrol in the future.


One product that I am curious about is epistrong (epistane). Have any of the ladies out there tried it? Any information would be appreciated.

I'm just a "part-timer" here but a forum for women to post results from these "legal" steroids anonomously might receive more input. Would this be possible???

Rebecca D


Rebecca, it does appear that I'll be running an Epi cycle soon thanks to Needto. Look for a log on it starting sometime within the next few months.

Regarding anonymous questions and comments, we did launch such a functionality a few months ago. Any lady who wishes to pose questions or report results that she would rather not have associated with her screen name can PM them to any Women's forum mod and it will be posted on the board by that mod, without any reference to the original poster. We'll just cut and past verbatim into a thread of our own creation, with the qualification that this is an anon question/comment.
 
Keep me updated on the epi. What dose do you plan on using. I plan on starting as well but I am cautious and will use 1 cap/day (1/2 morning and 1/2 in afternoon) for 3-4 weeks.

Rebecca D
 
Keep me updated on the epi. What dose do you plan on using. I plan on starting as well but I am cautious and will use 1 cap/day (1/2 morning and 1/2 in afternoon) for 3-4 weeks.

Rebecca D

Not sure yet. I'll confer with Needto a bit. He hasn't shipped it yet so I expect I'll have a week or so to sort that out. I'm guessing though I'll probably titrate up to the full recommended dose at some point given that I've run two bottles of 1-T Tren and I don't see my body responding a lot to a smaller dose.
 
Hey ladies! Great topic! I have done a fair bit of research on OTC PH/DS specifically for women (for my wife). She is one who likes me to do the research, which I like to do anyway, and then has me fill her in on all of it. Rebecca D you actually helped me out a while back about you experience with Bold and Furazadrol. Anyway, I have been on a lot of forums and accumulated some HARD TO FIND info based on experiences women have had with these compounds. A lot of these are hard to find and two are gone for good as they were just banned by the FDA (Bold, Tren Xtreme and their clones). I got some before they were gone

Here are the compounds that I know of that are still available and some of the feed back from women I found. I am not recommending anything just providing the feedback I have accumulated.

Orastan-E (Gaspari Nutrition)
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).
Clones were:
Prostanozol (Anabolic Xtreme), WinZtrol (Juggernaut Nutrition), Mega ZOL (Generic Labz), Winistan-V (Muscle Fortress)
Still available:
I think the only one still available is P-Stanz (CEL)
This is a very mild compound! Maybe the mildest out of the OTCs.
One lady loved this at 50mg pre workout. My wife ran this as her first run for 10 weeks starting at 50mg ED ramping it up all the way to 200mg ED before ramping back down and tapering off. She had no side effects what so ever. All of her lifts went up and she leaned out as well.


Orastan-A (Gaspari Nutrition)
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Furazabol (Miotolan).
Clones were:
Winadrol (CTD Labs), Furazavol (Black Dragon Labs)
Still available:
Furuza-A (CEL), Furaguno (Spectra Force Research), Furazadrol (Axis Labs) - Primordial Performance...MIGHT be coming out with a liquid version of this.
This is a very mild compound as well. Maybe a little bit better than the Orastan-E clones.
Most women say that it is weak and that you would have to run it at 100mg - 150mg at the least 200mg if no sides occur.


Halodrol-50 (Gaspari Nutrition)
This is methylated so support supplements would be recommended and with a run of about 6 weeks. Most say that it is active on it's own but also partially converts to Turinabol.
Clones were:
Halo-MASS (Anabolic Formulations), Hemadrol (EST), Super Halo (Black China Labs) and many more!
Still available:
H-Drol (CEL) maybe a few more
I have seen this run by women at 25 - 50mg day. All the reviews I have read say that they loved it, had little to no sides, good lean gains, fat loss, incredible pumps. Some reported an increase in libido. I only found one lady who stated that at 50mg, she had some tingling and slight swelling of her clit but it was very mild and did not concerned her.


Havoc (RPN)/Epistane (IBE)
This is methylated so support supplements would be recommended and with a run of about 6 weeks. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' and many say that it reduces estrogen. It is a methylated version of Epitiostanol which was created in the 1960's and used as a treatment for breast cancer in Japan.
I think most of the clones are still available: Might need to do a little searching.
E-Stane (CEL), Epistane (IBE), Hemaguno (Spectra Force Research), Methyl E (EST) and it sounds like needtogetaas has a clone as well.
The most common dosing for women is 10mg ED but it seemed to get better reviews at 20mg per day for 5-6 weeks. One woman ran Epi at 10mg ED for 3 months (NOT RECOMENDED AT ALL!!!) and stated that the gains were modest. One lady reported at 20mg a reduction in fat occurred while maintaining or increasing muscle mass. She did state that she also went down one bra size possibly due to estrogen suppression as it was more radical compared to the fat loss she experienced. Also, some reported an increase in libido.


Superdrol (Anabolic Xtreme)
This is the strongest PH/DS available! It should not be run longer than 4 weeks. Support supplements are a must! This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron).
Clones include but not limited to:
Methyl-VOL (EST), MethaDROL (iForce), Straight-DROL (Black China Labs), S-Drol (Fast Action Pharma) this one was the most recomended by women as it was in Tab form not capsule and could be cut in half or quarters for lower dosing.
Still available: There may be more than just these.
M-Drol (CEL), Microdrol (Advanced Muscle Science) - This is a liquid version and dosing can be controled by the user.
Most clones are dosed at 10mg caps which makes this difficult for a woman. Some ladies were splitting the caps open a deviding the contents in half or even quarters. The problem with this is that it is impossible to know if your doses are even at that point (one half could be filler and the other contain 10mg of superdrol). It seems like 2.5mg taken 2xs ED for a total of 5mg ED had the best results (she was taking S-Drol tabs that were quartered in a pill cutter) with no sides. Some ladies have dosed this at 10mg without sides. Although, one woman told me she was only on for 3 weeks at 10mg ED and she stopped because her clit started to protrude out.

I hope this is informative and helps you make educated decisions!
 
what an excellent post! I will be sure to follow this post for a bit and I am curious to see in the near future how willow fairs out. also nice update retroshaper
 
hey there...

thought id try and resurrect this thread, as i just started an epi cycle myself, and am also using dermacrine...only been 3 days so far, but i have been curious how other females responded to this...not alot of info out there re: females + epi!
 
hey there...

thought id try and resurrect this thread, as i just started an epi cycle myself, and am also using dermacrine...only been 3 days so far, but i have been curious how other females responded to this...not alot of info out there re: females + epi!

Haven't run an Epi cycle personally, but I've run Dermacrine and have an old log on it. Generally its quite tame. Nothing at all for muscle gains but good for strength gains.

I've run 2 bottles of 1-T Tren (12 weeks total) and that was a powerful cycle.
 
cool, thanks for your reply :) where might i find this dermacrine log?

also...any suggestions where i might find some good info/logs on females using epi?

my husband is considering 1-t tren...
 
Keep me updated on the epi. What dose do you plan on using. I plan on starting as well but I am cautious and will use 1 cap/day (1/2 morning and 1/2 in afternoon) for 3-4 weeks.

Rebecca D

I know you have run this cycle and its over now. Any feed back on the subject. I was going to give a free bottle of epi to willow but she opted out because epi is slightly hard on the liver. She can not have this.
 
cool, thanks for your reply :) where might i find this dermacrine log?

also...any suggestions where i might find some good info/logs on females using epi?

my husband is considering 1-t tren...

Sorry, our search function seems to be unable to find it. It's in this forum and dates to about this time of the year in '07. The summary though is I used it as directed on the label, didn't gain any lean body mass at all, but made nice strength gains.

Regarding, 1-T Tren, Need2 would know better than me, but I believe it was banned as of 1/1/10.
 
I did 1 capsule of Spawn ed last summer for a few weeks and got some crazy pumps in my upper body. I thought that it was a little too much and looked like that I was definitely taking something but it was fun while it lasted. Good strength gains. I took a liver support while on it also. My skin was breaking out like crazy last year before I started the Spawn so I can't really tell if it caused me to break out more than I already was.
 
I know you have run this cycle and its over now. Any feed back on the subject. I was going to give a free bottle of epi to willow but she opted out because epi is slightly hard on the liver. She can not have this.


I ran a cycle during February. I loved the results but there were some sides (voice in particular) to be wary of. I'll try and put together a good summary, busy putting the kids to bed right now. (I could take that bottle off your hands if Willow can't use it). :verygood:

Rebecca D
 
I ran a cycle during February. I loved the results but there were some sides (voice in particular) to be wary of. I'll try and put together a good summary, busy putting the kids to bed right now. (I could take that bottle off your hands if Willow can't use it). :verygood:

Rebecca D

Sure why not. Send me a pm with the shipping info. I will hit you up with a bottle. Pretty sure i owe you something anyway :biggrin:
 
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