OTC anti-estrogens

[CremasterBlaster]

Actually, prescription AIs and SERMs have a far better track record than any OTC/supp that you could bring to the table as they have had clinical trials dating in some cases over 20 years, as they were originally introduced to suppress estrogen production in females with breast cancer.....plus exemestane and letro especially have some unique testosterone raising qualities.....my two cents anyway

 

[Ralph_Wiggum]

Actually, prescription AIs and SERMs have a far better track record than any OTC/supp that you could bring to the table as they have had clinical trials dating in some cases over 20 years, as they were originally introduced to suppress estrogen production in females with breast cancer.....plus exemestane and letro especially have some unique testosterone raising qualities.....my two cents anyway

I'm not saying the prescription AI's aren't the best, but, I was saying that I wouldn't be so quick to say the OTC hormone based ones are "bunk".

IMO, if you can get your hands on the prescrpition stuff, go for it. Some people just want to stay legal. It isn't an issue for me at this point b/c I don't have to worry about needing an AI. I am not juicing, and have never juiced yet.

 

[ekbenzo]

How can you be sure it worked? How do you what would have happened had you taken nothing? Did you have blood drawn pre and post?

Drugs, herbs and nutrients have been tested for effectiveness. Prohormones are not. All claims are from the company that makes them.

do you have pre/post blood test for post cycle or your free-test product unleashed?

 

[Nelson Montana]

do you have pre/post blood test for post cycle or your free-test product unleashed?

Several, actually.

 

[muscleup]

Nelson that is Bullshit and you know it !!! You again are putting down another product to plug your own.

I have also used gaspari's Novedex with great results. Formadrol is another great OTC anti-e. Right now I just started Inhibit-e Anti-e which is a 146 ATD compound.

The prohormone ones are. Supps like POST CYCLE and Sustain and increase the effectiveness of anti aromatases so you can use less. For mild cycles, HRT or all around e management they're fine alone. AG makes chemical recreations of anti e drugs -- not intended for human use.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson that is Bullshit and you know it !!! You again are putting down another product to plug your own.

I have also used gaspari's Novedex with great results. Formadrol is another great OTC anti-e. Right now I just started Inhibit-e Anti-e which is a 146 ATD compound.

Not true. I answered the original post to the best of my belief. I've advocated using the ingredients in my products long before they were even on the market so please don't confuse me with some others who simply "sell" whatever they purchase in bulk. I designed my products with a specific purpose in mind and based on real world results. Most other companies come up with something, then hire some "independent study group" to give them the answers they want.

I'd rather someone use real drugs than prohormones and I don't make a dime off of that advice.

If the Gaspari stuff worked for you, great. But the research is not peer reviewed nor unbiased. That's all I'm saying. And no one knows the sides effects of these products but since they are hormonal they impose a certain risk.

I am unfamiliar with Formadrol but I see it's been discountinued so I'd guess it didn't work all that great.

 

[muscleup]

Really...How is this any different than what you do ? In both cases it's two companies plugging two diffeent products. Correct ?

I'm a lifer as far as HRT is concerned and I was getting a hint of gyno. I like to stay legal so I tried novedex to see if it would make the small mass go down and yes it did.

In all honesty it shocked me that it worked so well. Now I'm a third party here... I own no stock in ANY company...So what I am telling the members is based off real life experience. Not the fact that I'm pushing a product, or my preconcieved ideas on a particular compound.

I have been around long enough to know when something is or is not working for me...and This product worked great for me. Nelson I value your opinions and I love the fact that you are passionate about your products. However we must keep an open mind to ALL supps IMO...Herbal,PH, or Pharm grade. They ALL have thier place.

Now there's a surprise.

 

[muscleup]

Formadrol has not been discountinued at present time....It's just been harder to get. As far as the PH vs "Real Drugs" debate....Thats nothing more than a classification by the DEA/FDA and you know it.

Early PH's are now considered "Drugs" Why ? Because obviously they had to be effective to some extent.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Formadrol has not been discountinued at present time....It's just been harder to get. As far as the PH vs "Real Drugs" debate....Thats nothing more than a classification by the DEA/FDA and you know it.

Early PH's are now considered "Drugs" Why ? Because obviously they had to be effective to some extent.

Not really. Something can a drug but not a particularly effective one.


And I'll expalin again, what I do is FAR different than what most companies do. Most companies buy bulk ingredients -- most of which are already selling well -- then they put together a few ingredients and off it goes. I spent years testing different substances and found what worked. Some of those substances weren't even in any existing bodybuilding supplements at the time.

Now maybe the Gaspari people did the same thing and hit upon something. So many claims have been made over the years and one after the other, the stuff was garbage. So I'll concede that it worked for you, but it's still a chemical and I'd rather go natural and/or use a real drug. I guess if you're stuck and can't get dex it beats using some junk like 6 oxo. But for long term use and/or PCT, I'd still have to say POST CYCLE and aromasin would be safer and more effective.

 

[ekbenzo]

Several, actually.

please post said blood test