oral steroids

[nickb86]

hi guys am thinking of doing a cycle of 500mg/wk sustanon and kick starting it with 4 wks of some oral helpers maybe anadrol or dbol

I hear Anadrol is raw and very strong ? is this right ?

Also from what ive read Anadrol is very toxic and potentially more damaging ?

Just wondered what the differences are in effects, side effects and gains etc ?

this will be my 1st cycle when i eventully start it, so info on dosages (will be low 4 me) would be nice ?

whether i actually need the orals ?

and other users personal experiances are appreciated ?
(got my PCT sorted now just deciding on the money makers lol)

cheers guys any opinions appreciated....

 

[kiai]

stats first. you may also need to layout your cycle and pct here for us to check as well.

 

[nickb86]

stats: height 6ft 4
weight when i begin cycle will be about 220lbs
age 24
cycle 10-12 weeks long 5oo mg/wk sustanon and pos wks 1-4 orals
PCT- unleased, post cycle, HCGenerate maybe get somebridge for laters on (all N2BM)
this will be my 1st cycle when i eventually get sorted 4 it cheers.

 

[stevesmi]

it really depends on the individual how 'damaging' AAS can be.

I had a scare myself when i honestly felt like i was having a heart attack running AAS and thermogenics together. never again!! scared the crap out of me.. just don't mix AAS with a bunch of other things and be safe and you will be fine. less is better. lay off alcohol too.

 

[nickb86]

ok thats a good point wont be drinking to much then lol doubt il do anythig but eat and lift anyway when im cycling wana get the max from my efforts
thanks..

 

[nickb86]

i was originally thinking about doing deca and sust but thought it would be simpler and more beneficial as its my 1st cycle to just run sustanon and maybe stack with an oral.
any opinions on the deca/sustanon stack ?
does anybody think its stupid 4 a 1st cycle ?
any other orals that might be better ?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^deca for a first cycle is risky.

recovery takes a while. a lot of guys on here have posted they recovered fine with deca.. the funny thing is they were never recovered, they merely ran another cycle directly after. takes 3 months to recover from deca even with a great PCT. since deca lingers around for weeks after your last inject, recovery takes longer than people think.. when i ran deca i was still growing 5 weeks after my last injection, then the crash hit.

 

[nickb86]

ok i think il leave it 4 now no point in jumping in the deep end if i cant swim lol i had read deca was abit more complicated, dont think its 4 me at the minute always try at a later date.
You spoke about thermogenics-meaning anabol and dianabol right would you not reccomend mixing the orals with the AAS supplements then ? do you think it would be better to just run the cycle with just the sust so i can find my feet and decide if i get any sides what caused them ?
cheers

 

[EarthRider]

thermos are fat burners.

 

[nickb86]

i know they are fatburners and dianabol and anabol are bulking steroids so wasnt entirely sure about the post, maybe not relevant to me then lol
i think i will try one of the two orals i listed with the sustanon. thinking approx 10-12 wks 4 the sust and 1st 1-4wks 4 the orals

I read some people advocate the use of the orals near the end of the cycle aswell, is this beneficial ?
does anybody have any opinions on this method ?
thanks 4 all the advice so far, hopefully more to come

 

[stevesmi]

I am not a fan of thermogenics, like i said above.. i almost died on one... well maybe not died but i felt like such shit i had to take several days off from the gym which i HATE to do...... basically they made me feel naseous and gave me chest pains when i would lay down so will NEVER run them again... i mean whats the point of running them when you cannot even workout from feeling like shit?

diet and cardio if you need to shed a few pounds trumps thermogenics and is much healthier for the body. i remember when i was a powerlifter we would shed a few pounds before weigh ins the old fashioned way.. a sweater and several laps around the gym. now everyone wants to take something to lose the weight that is harsh on the heart.

your best bet is trim down then run a bulker. and then trim down.. then bulk.. that is the way to do it. not try to do both at the same time which is very difficult and can be dangerous. baby steps, you better understand 1 cycle isn't gonna make you into mr olympia.. it takes years and years to achieve a body you will be proud of.

running AAS is safe as long as you use moderation.. not just in dosage but also in length of time on. monitoring your vitals and blood work. you can cycle safely for years to come.

 

[nickb86]

ok cool man thanks 4 the heads up gonna run a low dose of Dbol i think at the start rather than the anabol, probly do 1st 4 weeks of dbol and continue the sust through 4 10 weeks should be good 4 me to find my feet not gunna start till next year any way probably around april time, hopefully shoulder will be sorted soon and i can bulk up naturally before starting my cycle i stil lift but am trying to avoid any bench and over head lifts (my favourites) so i can strengthen my back up, i sit here every night with a bag of frozen brocoli on my shouder lol and am seeing an ostiopath so hopefully soon i can return to it properly.

Does any one advocate the usage of orals at the end of a cycle ? Aswell or instead of at the beginning ?

Thanks Stevesmi and others for your imput....

 

[zedhed]

The dbol and sust will be fine together. Your pct sounds g2g too, and good for you bro.
I have never run an oral at the end of a cycle but there a lot of bros that do and would not do it any other way. I guess IMO it boils down to personnal preferance. Do you want the boost at the beginning of your cycle or at the end.
With running sust you really go either way. Sust has the fast acting esters in it and the longer acting esters too, so to me that would mean 6 of one and a half dozen of the other.
You could do it at the front end this time and then do the same cycle for your next round but put it at the back end and see which way you like it better too.

 

[nickb86]

yeh that makes sense il try at the beginnig 4 now and like you say can always switch it round later and see what works. cheers evrybody 4 the help