Oral Only

[Bazinio]

Hi,

I'm 25 yrs, 6'2 and weigh 13st 9. Been training for a good year.

I've been reading up on oral steriods but there's so many different types out there it's confusing. Can anyone recommend a cycle which will help me gain muscle but not retain water. I obviously want the gains but without the questions!! Oral only ... got an extreme needle phobia.

cheers

 

[MichaelScott]

week 1-26 protein 200mg day
week 1-26 milk 1 /2 gal eod

 

[jnef]

week 1-26 protein 200mg day
week 1-26 milk 1 /2 gal eod

lol ^^^ funny but, even more so because its good advice

you need a lot more then a good year bro before you start putting hormones in your body and lol at orals only. your in the wrong game if you want orals only. we use those as kickstarts and finishers around these parts.

btw dont mistake my advice as being rude - im just trying to help you out here

 

[mr.nitro]

anavar is good

 

[jimmy04]

just jab oral only tend to be shit if you seriouse about gear then take the jab

 

[Bazinio]

lol love the protein advive.. thanks. I use that already, it's a must. Just wandered if there was a little something extra!

Mate.. seriously, I can't do the jab. My ass is no pin cushion.

 

[dabuffguy]

Oral onlys aren't that bad/ c'mon bros. Although, for a first cycle, injecting test is the #1 way to go.


What is 13 stone 9 translated into lbs?

 

[dabuffguy]

lol love the protein advive.. thanks. I use that already, it's a must. Just wandered if there was a little something extra!

Mate.. seriously, I can't do the jab. My ass is no pin cushion.

If you're scared of a needle, you need to grow some balls. I have a bad needle phoiba even after jabbing 2 cycles worth, or 25 times (test E). I still hate needles even after that, but I still do it. Don't be a pansy, seriously.

 

[jnef]

If you're scared of a needle, you need to grow some balls. I have a bad needle phoiba even after jabbing 2 cycles worth, or 25 times (test E). I still hate needles even after that, but I still do it. Don't be a pansy, seriously.

c'mon dabuffguy did you overlook the only 1 year of good training - thats what im most concerned with over the just orals statement. your not ready - plain and simple

 

[drsketch]

What is 13 stone 9 translated into lbs?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=convert+13+stones+into+lb

plus add 9 lb.

 

[dabuffguy]

c'mon dabuffguy did you overlook the only 1 year of good training - thats what im most concerned with over the just orals statement. your not ready - plain and simple

No, I didn't overlook it. You already said it, so I didn't feel like echoing it.

 

[Bazinio]

bout 190 lbs. All of which is pussy when it comes to needles.

So 1 yr too short.. what timescale we looking at?

 

[mr.nitro]

I have known a guy who would faint when he got shots from a doctor. im talking out cold. so I guess in some instances its just not posible to inject.

theirs not much I fear really. even if i know its going to suck I just man up. Im stubborn like that.

 

[dabuffguy]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=convert+13+stones+into+lb

plus add 9 lb.

Thanks. What kind of measuring system is that anyway? A retarded one.

so he's 190 basically.

at 6'2" 190 you got plenty of training to go my friend. Just eat eat eat. That's all you gotta do. You want to be big? You have to eat big.

 

[dabuffguy]

bout 190 lbs. All of which is pussy when it comes to needles.

So 1 yr too short.. what timescale we looking at?

At least, at very least, 2 years no breaks, consistent, maybe taking a break once in a while, but no longer than a week break, and staying consistent with your diet. I trained for 2 years weight lifting before taking the jump, and played pro baseball before that(which encompassed some weight training), So I was already in good shape.

 

[drsketch]

Thanks. What kind of measuring system is that anyway?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_(weight)

 

[jnef]

No, I didn't overlook it. You already said it, so I didn't feel like echoing it.

lol wasnt trying to be rude btw , you give solid advice and thought u overlooked it

 

[dabuffguy]

lol wasnt trying to be rude btw , you give solid advice and thought u overlooked it

I didn't think you were being rude. no probs here bro.

 

[jnef]

bout 190 lbs. All of which is pussy when it comes to needles.

So 1 yr too short.. what timescale we looking at?

hmm i started aas too light imo and i was 185 at 5'8 so your 5 lbs heavier then i was with what 6" of height over me....

 

[Bazinio]

At least, at very least, 2 years no breaks, consistent, maybe taking a break once in a while, but no longer than a week break, and staying consistent with your diet. I trained for 2 years weight lifting before taking the jump, and played pro baseball before that(which encompassed some weight training), So I was already in good shape.

Pro baseball.. cool.

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm recognising it's a NO to orals then - Can anyone recommend any thing other than creatine and protein for an added xtra?

 

[jnef]

Pro baseball.. cool.

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm recognising it's a NO to orals then - Can anyone recommend any thing other than creatine and protein for an added xtra?

okay flat out you dont need anything extra but foood..all you need to do is feed your muscles at 190

tell us what an average day of food looks like to you....show meal by meal

 

[jnef]

okay flat out you dont need anything extra but foood..all you need to do is feed your muscles at 190

tell us what an average day of food looks like to you....show meal by meal

i thought i was eating a ton and "thought" i had a propper diet when i started lifting btw i was WRONG....once i started eating the right foods and the right amount, i started growing like a weed without aas

we'll help you out here just show us what ur daily diet looks like

 

[Bazinio]

okay flat out you dont need anything extra but foood..all you need to do is feed your muscles at 190

tell us what an average day of food looks like to you....show meal by meal

Breakfast - Toast, Cereal (sometimes porridge) bananna
lunch - pasta meal, or sandwiches, + fruit. (Good size lunch)
dinner - v good sized meal e.g chicken with lots of carbs (I just love mash spuds)
late evening - yoghurt, fruit (or scrambled eggs on toast)

 

[dabuffguy]

Pro baseball.. cool.

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm recognising it's a NO to orals then - Can anyone recommend any thing other than creatine and protein for an added xtra?

well, i would say it's a NO to orals only for a first time. I ran an all oral cycle, and was very pleased with the results.


I fyou want, for a first time, run an oral with injectable testosterone. That's what I did.

 

[jnef]

Breakfast - Toast, Cereal (sometimes porridge) bananna
lunch - pasta meal, or sandwiches, + fruit. (Good size lunch)
dinner - v good sized meal e.g chicken with lots of carbs (I just love mash spuds)
late evening - yoghurt, fruit (or scrambled eggs on toast)

ahh theres the problem... what do you think your getting in here maybe 2000 cals, i f that? not enough protein it seems as well - ill give you an example of what one of my days looks like

 

[JLowe02]

i used to have a needle phobia, but i overcame it by injecting myself for the first time while drunk, lol. ever since then it hasn't bothered me at all, i can jab all day every day.

more on topic, oral-only cycles are underestimated by a lot of peeps. Turanibol is a great oral only cycle, as well as anavar. and anadrol is good for strength, hell even dbol. i gained about 15 pounds from a six week OT cycle, and increased my bench by about 25-30 pounds. and kept ALL the gains...

 

[jnef]

ahh theres the problem... what do you think your getting in here maybe 2000 cals, i f that? not enough protein it seems as well - ill give you an example of what one of my days looks like

meal 1 -

protein shake
1 fruit
1 probiotic
1 cup toasted oats
6 eggs whites


meal 2 -
3 oz chicken breast
3 oz steak
1/2 baked potatoe
1/2 cup veggies

meal 3-
protein shake
1 fruit
1 probiotic

meal 4 -
3oz chicken breast
3 oz steak
1/2 bake potatoe

meal 5 -

cottege cheese (slow digesting proteins b4 bed)
3 hard boiled eggs (no egg yolks)

btw i'll usually snack inbetween meals with some beef jerky with low sodium or sliced turkey from the deli

 

[jnef]

meal 1 -

protein shake
1 fruit
1 probiotic
i cup toasted oats
6 eggs whites


meal 2 -
3 oz chicken breast
3 oz steak
1/2 baked potatoe
1/2 cup veggies

meal 3-
protein shake
1 fruit
1 probiotic

meal 4 -
3oz chicken breast
3 oz steak
1/2 bake potatoe

meal 5 -

cottege cheese (slow digesting proteins b4 bed)
3 hard boiled eggs (no egg yolks)

btw i'll usually snack inbetween meals with some beef jerky with low sodium or sliced turkey from the deli

^^ btw i eat a lot more when im bulking

 

[GUARDIAN]

Breakfast - Toast, Cereal (sometimes porridge) bananna
lunch - pasta meal, or sandwiches, + fruit. (Good size lunch)
dinner - v good sized meal e.g chicken with lots of carbs (I just love mash spuds)
late evening - yoghurt, fruit (or scrambled eggs on toast)

here lies the problem!!!

we are sending u to the diet forum for nutritional guidance. please post a new thread there.

 

[jnef]

i used to have a needle phobia, but i overcame it by injecting myself for the first time while drunk, lol. ever since then it hasn't bothered me at all, i can jab all day every day.

more on topic, oral-only cycles are underestimated by a lot of peeps. Turanibol is a great oral only cycle, as well as anavar. and anadrol is good for strength, hell even dbol. i gained about 15 pounds from a six week OT cycle, and increased my bench by about 25-30 pounds. and kept ALL the gains...

yes but he obviously needs to bulk and test is something that is just irreplaceable in a bulking cycle with an oral

 

[Bazinio]

thanks. Seems you spotted the probelm. I thought I had good appetite. Crikey.. ur food bill must be huge. I better go to the shops

 

[jnef]

thanks. Seems you spotted the probelm. I thought I had good appetite. Crikey.. ur food bill must be huge. I better go to the shops

one word COSTCO

 

[JLowe02]

yes but he obviously needs to bulk and test is something that is just irreplaceable in a bulking cycle with an oral

agreed, but im just defending oral-only cycles to a certain extent. they are short, sweet and usually offer clean keepable gains.

 

[jnef]

agreed, but im just defending oral-only cycles to a certain extent. they are short, sweet and usually offer clean keepable gains.

i agree they can be beneficial, but i was just speaking for this fella

 

[digit0x]

Since everyone else has given most of the good stuff, when you're ready:

1-4 dbol 25mg/day
2-8 50mg var/day
6-10 sustain

 

[dabuffguy]

Breakfast - Toast, Cereal (sometimes porridge) bananna
lunch - pasta meal, or sandwiches, + fruit. (Good size lunch)
dinner - v good sized meal e.g chicken with lots of carbs (I just love mash spuds)
late evening - yoghurt, fruit (or scrambled eggs on toast)

breakfast, you have 0 protein. a huge problem.
lunch, not much protein.

from the looks of it you're getting about 80 grams of protein daily, which for putting on muscle will never get you any results ever.

you need 50 grams of protein at breakfast, lunch and dinner, with high protein snacks in between each meal, and a protein shake after workouts. That should get you to 200 grams + which is bare minimum for putting on muscle at your weight. When I bulk, I take in 4000 calories a day. 1600 of which come from protein.

Proetein is lacking huge, and I know I sound like a broken record, but you will never get big or strong eating like that. Even with steroids, that won't even be subpar for putting on quality mass.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thanks. What kind of measuring system is that anyway? A retarded one.

so he's 190 basically.

at 6'2" 190 you got plenty of training to go my friend. Just eat eat eat. That's all you gotta do. You want to be big? You have to eat big.

You sure do throw around a lot of insults to people asking for advice? You call lot of things retarded.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

At least, at very least, 2 years no breaks, consistent, maybe taking a break once in a while, but no longer than a week break, and staying consistent with your diet. I trained for 2 years weight lifting before taking the jump, and played pro baseball before that(which encompassed some weight training), So I was already in good shape.

HMMMMM for who? Thats cool

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Did you start a year ago or you came back and hitting hard for a year?

 

[cw3383]

Bro... take my advise from somebody who has been in a similar situation... WAIT!!

It sounds like you are trying to take bodybuilding more serious which is great. But let me tell you... its much better to wait until you got your routine down before you start juicing. It looks like you don't even have your diet down or even understand the importance of protein.

It's not worth the money, effort, legal risk, acne unless you can take full advantage of it.

My $.02

With that being said... just go with some anavar

I have tried oral only and the only thing that didn't seem to mess me up much was anavar, and winny for less than 6 weeks. After that, my test levels started to die. Orals are always good for a few weeks then you need some test.

Good luck.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

agreed, but im just defending oral-only cycles to a certain extent. they are short, sweet and usually offer clean keepable gains.

A 6-8 week dbol only cycle is good. Sure you ge a lot of bloat and water but if you can keep even half of your or even 25% o what you gained that is still a nice gain in 6-8 weeks.

But the Op as yall have said needs to learn to eat.

 

[GUARDIAN]

one word COSTCO

or SAM's club

 

[safe999]

week 1-26 protein 200mg day
week 1-26 milk 1 /2 gal eod

dont yu mean 200g lol

J.

 

[KD1]

If you're scared of a needle, you need to grow some balls.

Thats an odd expression to use considering most people on this forum have very small balls!

 

[safe999]

Hmm +1 with Pat McCrotch, yu do throw quite a lot of insults around, yur pretty arrogant really! as for the 0 protein at breakfast. . what do yu think a banana is made up of. . . air. . like your head. . haha IMO. . jokes, seroius tho, yu have lots of good advice, just take out the arrogange

breakfast, you have 0 protein. a huge problem.
lunch, not much protein.

from the looks of it you're getting about 80 grams of protein daily, which for putting on muscle will never get you any results ever.

you need 50 grams of protein at breakfast, lunch and dinner, with high protein snacks in between each meal, and a protein shake after workouts. That should get you to 200 grams + which is bare minimum for putting on muscle at your weight. When I bulk, I take in 4000 calories a day. 1600 of which come from protein.

Proetein is lacking huge, and I know I sound like a broken record, but you will never get big or strong eating like that. Even with steroids, that won't even be subpar for putting on quality mass.

 

[MichaelScott]

I have known a guy who would faint when he got shots from a doctor. im talking out cold. so I guess in some instances its just not posible to inject.

theirs not much I fear really. even if i know its going to suck I just man up. Im stubborn like that.

i was that way also, i get light headed from the dr shot but i can give myself jabs without any ill effects, go with the glute man, its hard to reach around and inject, but it is zero pain

 

[perryscoon]

If you're too pussy to use a needle you have no business fooling with gear.

 

[dabuffguy]

You sure do throw around a lot of insults to people asking for advice? You call lot of things retarded.

You've got some sort of a thing for me, don't you?

You like to press my buttons to see if you can piss me off?

Every post of yours that you reply to me in one way or another has been to push my buttons or be borderline dickheaded, and you know it. Not even here, even in the chat secton. Your sarcasm is rude, with that intention in mind, so knock it off. You want to be sarcastic and rude, do it in the chat section, I don't give a damn, but not here.

I didn't insult anyone. I expressed my opinion on the stone weight measuring system. Did I say anyone was retarded for using it? no. For all I know, I'm the retarded one for noy knowing what stones= lbs

 

[dabuffguy]

HMMMMM for who? Thats cool

 

[dabuffguy]

Thats an odd expression to use considering most people on this forum have very small balls!

lol.

 

[dabuffguy]

Hmm +1 with Pat McCrotch, yu do throw quite a lot of insults around, yur pretty arrogant really! as for the 0 protein at breakfast. . what do yu think a banana is made up of. . . air. . like your head. . haha IMO. . jokes, seroius tho, yu have lots of good advice, just take out the arrogange

sure thing.

never tried to be arrogant. I'm sory some people take offense. Has never been my intention to be a jerk. Maybe some of my comments have less than uplifting tone, but I've never called someone out, or directly told someone to get screwed or anything of the sort. In a subjunctive form, I have told someone they need to grow a pair, but I'm not being rude.

 

[MichaelScott]

psst...dabuffguy....just say your "on" and all will be forgiven lol

 

[dabuffguy]

psst...dabuffguy....just say your "on" and all will be forgiven lol

I'm roid raging like a son of a bitch!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

You've got some sort of a thing for me, don't you?

You like to press my buttons to see if you can piss me off?

Every post of yours that you reply to me in one way or another has been to push my buttons or be borderline dickheaded, and you know it. Not even here, even in the chat secton. Your sarcasm is rude, with that intention in mind, so knock it off. You want to be sarcastic and rude, do it in the chat section, I don't give a damn, but not here.

I didn't insult anyone. I expressed my opinion on the stone weight measuring system. Did I say anyone was retarded for using it? no. For all I know, I'm the retarded one for noy knowing what stones= lbs

You calla lot of people retarded. You ive put qustinable advice well atlast from what I have read. I have not read all of your posts but they opnes I do read you seem a lil arogant for a noob.

I have not been here that long or as long as others or have near the experience as most but I come here for help as do a lot of other peole. When I first came here it was the heading towards the end of the flame fest. There have been a lot of changes in just the past 6 months. When I see someone comng off as pompous and an ass It rubs me the wrong way.