oral only cycles

[Gesebastian]

what is the scoop these days with oral only cycles? I remember in the 90’s everyone ran them. We used to run dbol solo for 5-6 weeks and had good results. Now everyone says they are no good. What is the science and reasoning behind them suddenly not being good in 2021 when they were fine 30 years ago? I’m confused

 

[the_alcatraz]

I like oral only cycles. Dbol only for 10 weeks with n2guard for liver support you'll get great results, get some aromasin eoD and you good

 

[charger69mx]

what is the scoop these days with oral only cycles? I remember in the 90’s everyone ran them. We used to run dbol solo for 5-6 weeks and had good results. Now everyone says they are no good. What is the science and reasoning behind them suddenly not being good in 2021 when they were fine 30 years ago? I’m confused

You shut down your system with no exogenous test. That is why .


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[stevesmi]

you get shut down on any anabolic steroid, including testosterone. it boils down to your goals, some guys just cannot handle low androgens in their cycles. and guys in the 70's and 80's never ran test with their cycles so that theory is out the door.

i personally don't run test in my cycles anymore. i much prefer milder cycles and low water retention.

other guys love to run lots of test and get tons of androgens and water.

if i had to pick an oral only cycle i would do Tbol for 6 weeks or so cause it is super cheap

 

[SteveMobsterG]

I've done it a bunch of times. Of course using orals comes with risks

 

[dylangemelli]

its up to you... ive never been the biggest fan of it but ive seen some done with success, but ive seen people struggle without using test as well... i would you much rather run a sarms stack as opposed to an oral only

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro some guys use oral only. some guys use injectables. at end of day steroids are steroids

 

[charger69mx]

It’s a known fact that AAS shuts down your natural test production however since it isn’t test and shuts it down through the feedback mechanism, I have heard that it may take extended period of time- up to 7 weeks.
If that is the case, no test nor PCT is required for a short cycle.
Does anyone have additional information?


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[RickRock13]

No test base generally leads to side effects of low test, extreme lethargy, reduced libido and sexual function, depression, etc.

Its really common sense

 

[charger69mx]

No test base generally leads to side effects of low test, extreme lethargy, reduced libido and sexual function, depression, etc.

Its really common sense

So you are saying that all AAS shuts you down at the same rate?


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[RickRock13]

So you are saying that all AAS shuts you down at the same rate?


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Yes, all AAS shuts you down, which is why you want to replace your natural test thats shutdown with exogenous test so you don't have low test side effects. When I first started cycling I ran a couple oral only cycles. Adding test can make a world of difference

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

It depends on the person. I am not a huge fan of oral only cycles but you can certainly try and see how you like it. I would rather run test with my cycles or use SARMs instead.

 

[RickV]

what is the scoop these days with oral only cycles? I remember in the 90’s everyone ran them. We used to run dbol solo for 5-6 weeks and had good results. Now everyone says they are no good. What is the science and reasoning behind them suddenly not being good in 2021 when they were fine 30 years ago? I’m confused

Oral only cycles are still good and the gains are worth it. It is just that with time we have learned that injectables are a much better way to go for most people or that stacking orals with injectables yield better results. It is something we have learned over the years that has now become common practice.

It is just part of human nature to learn better ways of doing things and adopt the new ways and abandon the old outdated ways.

 

[stevesmi]

the whole you have to run test in your cycle was invented in the early 2000's as a way to sell you more gear.

to think you get less sides from adding more steroids has zero scientific backing. the ONLy situation where that is possible is adding in proviron to a nandrolone. and even in that situation expect the possibility of increased prostate issues and even some hair loss etc. so it is ridiculous to think MORE STEROIDS= less sides.

i fucking guarantee if you run tbol alone for 6 weeks at 30mg a day you will get barely any sides and will rebound way faster then running 500mg of test a week added in there, plus you won't have to worry about DHT problems or estrogen problems.

also it isn't true that test doesn't shut you down. again that is a lie. you run 500mg of test a week i guarantee you by week 3 your HPTA will be dead and shut down hard. if you don't believe me run bloods and prove me wrong.

 

[Tazz]

i never recommend that

 

[charger69mx]

Yes, all AAS shuts you down, which is why you want to replace your natural test thats shutdown with exogenous test so you don't have low test side effects. When I first started cycling I ran a couple oral only cycles. Adding test can make a world of difference

BRoderick Chavez has data on the contrary to this. He has trained Olympic competitors as well as Mr O competitions.
His basis is that if you have exogenous test, your body senses this and shuts down. With non test base, it does not sense the test so it does not immediately shut down. The eventual shut down occurs through feedback mechanisms and this can take up to 7-9 weeks to shut down. This allows Olympian competitors to take short cycles and not needing PCT to start the test because it never shut down. PCT drugs will cause a positive test result.
He has “studies” based on a limited population that he did.
When you think about it, it sounds reasonable. I used to be under the thinking that there was no significant difference until I ran across this.


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[RickRock13]

BRoderick Chavez has data on the contrary to this. He has trained Olympic competitors as well as Mr O competitions.
His basis is that if you have exogenous test, your body senses this and shuts down. With non test base, it does not sense the test so it does not immediately shut down. The eventual shut down occurs through feedback mechanisms and this can take up to 7-9 weeks to shut down. This allows Olympian competitors to take short cycles and not needing PCT to start the test because it never shut down. PCT drugs will cause a positive test result.
He has “studies” based on a limited population that he did.
When you think about it, it sounds reasonable. I used to be under the thinking that there was no significant difference until I ran across this.


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Well, all the bloodwork out there of people running oral only cycles for 4 to 6 weeks would contradict that when it clearly shows natural test completely shut down, with both LH and FSH at or near zero.

I also can confirm from my own experience with oral only cycles in the past and the sides and symptoms of shutdown I experienced without a test base

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Comparing freaks (Olympians) to average Joes... lol

 

[charger69mx]

Comparing freaks (Olympians) to average Joes... lol

The comment is rather amusing. Olympians do not have the same endocrine system? Dedication has an impact of the effect of PED’s?

Oh by the way, you should have read the statement rather than jumping to conclusions and making silly statements. The tests included average Joe’s.
I guess I am
Expecting too much from the “expert”.

This forum is called “elite fitness” isn’t it? I guess you are recommending to call it average Joe fitness.


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[charger69mx]

Well, all the bloodwork out there of people running oral only cycles for 4 to 6 weeks would contradict that when it clearly shows natural test completely shut down, with both LH and FSH at or near zero.

I also can confirm from my own experience with oral only cycles in the past and the sides and symptoms of shutdown I experienced without a test base

Do you know which orals had the blood tests and the tanked values? I think it’s time for the lab rat to come out. LOL
Actually with deca you will not see a lowering of LH but it does stop test production.


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[SteveMobsterG]

So you are saying that all AAS shuts you down at the same rate?


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No. But that's like debating just how closed a door is. Shutdown is shutdown. Your balls wont care which roid it was and what the rate was.

 

[sean501]

If you have any intention of keeping any of your gains then don’t do an oral only cycle.


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[charger69mx]

No. But that's like debating just how closed a door is. Shutdown is shutdown. Your balls wont care which roid it was and what the rate was.

I guess my explanation was lacking. It’s not how closed it is, it’s how fast it shuts. If you have time to get through, you don’t need To open it back up- no PCT.


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[RickRock13]

Do you know which orals had the blood tests and the tanked values? I think it’s time for the lab rat to come out. LOL
Actually with deca you will not see a lowering of LH but it does stop test production.


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I've seen thousands of bloodwork results over the years so I can safely say ive seen that result from pretty much every oral except proviron. I can also safely say other than proviron ive seen more than enough to show that every steroid shuts you down.

And you can always go without pct. Your body will likely recover eventually. But doesn't mean you weren't shutdown and doesn't make it a good idea either

 

[charger69mx]

I've seen thousands of bloodwork results over the years so I can safely say ive seen that result from pretty much every oral except proviron. I can also safely say other than proviron ive seen more than enough to show that every steroid shuts you down.

And you can always go without pct. Your body will likely recover eventually. But doesn't mean you weren't shutdown and doesn't make it a good idea either

Thank you. I have some additional research required.
Once again, I don’t think anyone says that it won’t shut you down, it’s the timing of when it shuts you down that I was commenting on. This is just recently received information so I have not fully researched it.


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[RickV]

BRoderick Chavez has data on the contrary to this. He has trained Olympic competitors as well as Mr O competitions.
His basis is that if you have exogenous test, your body senses this and shuts down. With non test base, it does not sense the test so it does not immediately shut down. The eventual shut down occurs through feedback mechanisms and this can take up to 7-9 weeks to shut down. This allows Olympian competitors to take short cycles and not needing PCT to start the test because it never shut down. PCT drugs will cause a positive test result.
He has “studies” based on a limited population that he did.
When you think about it, it sounds reasonable. I used to be under the thinking that there was no significant difference until I ran across this.


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There are different ways steroids other than Tetosterone can shut you down. Even if you what you are proposing was correct and your body could not "sense" these other steroids, the fact that this androgen would compete with your natural testosterone for androgen receptors would in turn make your body sense the additional free testosterone and estrogen thus causing suppresion. This is the way SARMS cause suppresion as well.

If only testosterone was suppressive then everyone would juts not use it and there would be no need for PCT, but every steroid out there is suppressive if taken in hgih enohgh amounts and for long enough.

 

[RickRock13]

Thank you. I have some additional research required.
Once again, I don’t think anyone says that it won’t shut you down, it’s the timing of when it shuts you down that I was commenting on. This is just recently received information so I have not fully researched it.


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Id be curious to see these kind of things too. Like I was saying from what I've seen pretty much every steroid will shut you down within about 4 weeks. Some do shut you down faster but by a month in it doesn't seem to matter what you're running. Youre shut down regardless. If someone showed bloodwkrk showing the contrary id question if they had real shit