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Omnibolic Androgenerator Stack = Serious PCT Must try!

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Yo this ANDROGENERATOR/OMNIBOLIC Stack has got me morning wood every morning after less than a week!!! Last time that happened, I was....uh when I was ALOT younger. Like a 15 yr. old horny kid whose cock gets hard when the wind blows it lol. I'm taking HALF of what the recommended dose on each of the products and this shit feels good. Horny, pumps are insane in AND out of the gym obviously. Vascular action going on. I've been off for 6 weeks, started taking this stuff a week ago and in six days I have morning wood. How the hell is that for recovery? Yea I took clomid and Hcg for standard post cycle and then decided to try this and it just happened to be immediately after that. Damn if I could have had this with the clomid --ahh--I really haven't had a feeling like this that isn't from an anabolic compound. No shit. Appetite has increased too, wtf? Mad props to Supreme Sports and these products.
 
Awesome DBBT! Glad you are loving it bro, and you have only been on for 7 days! In 4-6 weeks you are going to be AMAZED! :)
 
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small but working on it said:
Tigers suck !!! Jk

Sounds good, I have my pct already but may pick this up. How fast is shipping ?

Shipping is 2-4 days ANYWHERE in the USA! :)

We ship ONLY via UPS.
 
small but working on it said:
Tigers suck !!! Jk

Sounds good, I have my pct already but may pick this up. How fast is shipping ?

lol, yes they do, yes they do.

But yea man this IS worth trying you'll be back posting results just like I am. Shipping was 4 days I think :)
 
Its early and they are showing signs of coming around.

What would pct look like for me with this product, meaning what else would I use. I am in week 4 (just now starting to get strength gains) of 500mg sustanon, no kickstart, no hcg. I have my other pct stuff but was wondering when I should start this product and what should be used with it. I am all for the least amount of shit in me as possible to help recovery.
 
small but working on it said:
Its early and they are showing signs of coming around.

What would pct look like for me with this product, meaning what else would I use. I am in week 4 (just now starting to get strength gains) of 500mg sustanon, no kickstart, no hcg. I have my other pct stuff but was wondering when I should start this product and what should be used with it. I am all for the least amount of shit in me as possible to help recovery.

Great question, I am glad you asked. :)

AndroGenerator and Omnibolic can be used either ON cycle or for PCT. Let me explain each product in more detail, but if you have any additional questions, please visit www.AndroGenerator.com & www.Omnibolic.com


AndroGenerator Frequently Asked Questions

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1.) Can I use AndroGenerator INSTEAD of Anabolic steroids?

Answer: YES! AndroGenerator is designed to maximally increase your body's natural total and FREE testosterone levels, decrease cortisol, estrogen, and prolactin, and increase HGH and IGF-1 levels, while simultaneously saturating the muscle cells with a matrix of highly anabolic ingredients. AndroGenerator will ENHANCE testicular function, as opposed to steroids which INHIBIT testicular function. The natural bodybuilder will definitely appreciate the increase in strength and muscle mass that AndroGenerator will produce. Even steroid users will appreciate the pro-androgenic, muscle building effects of AndroGenerator. There is no other natural product that is capable of what AndroGenerator can do. There is nothing as POWERUL as AndroGenerator for producing lean muscle mass, raw strength, sustained endurance, freaky vascularity, and incredible muscle hardness and definition. The AndroGenerator creates the most ANABOLIC environment possible, by using multiple mechanisms of action and multiple pathways to trigger the greatest gains in lean muscle-mass and strength that can be achieved. There is truly NOTHING on the market that can compare to AndroGenerator's incredible MASS-BUILDING, STRENGTH INDUCING effect. Users can easily expect to put on 5-10 pounds within 4 weeks, and continued gains thereafter. The gains experienced on AndroGenerator are dry and hard, as the user will not experience any water-retention at all. The user can expect a general feeling of well-being, a huge increase in libido, and a healthy increase in aggression.

2.) Can AndroGenerator be used instead of Nolvadex and Clomid?

Answer: AndroGenerator will restore HPTA function quickly, safely, and effectively. AndroGenerator stimulates the HPTA from every angle possible. Not only does AndroGenerator drastically increase TOTAL AND FREE TESTOSTERONE, it also decreases CORTISOL, ESTROGEN. and PROLACTIN, the three primary enemies of HPTA recovery in a post-cycle environment! It is imperative to increase testosterone levels, decrease estrogen, prolactin, and cortisol, and to restore your hormonal balance as swiftly and effectively as possible. AndroGenerator features a unique combination of highly anabolic, pro-androgenic agents that drastically increase endogenous ANDROGEN concentrations while simultaneously reducing prolactin and balancing progesterone and Estrogen. You will NEVER use Clomid or Nolvadex again! Nothing else can do this. To FURTHER support an enhanced anabolic state, AndroGenerator supports strength and muscle mass by increasing HGH and IGF-1 levels, while simultaneously saturating the muscle cells with a matrix of highly anabolic ingredients. Clomid and Nolvadex can be used in conjunction with AndroGenerator, and of course, an Aromatase Inhibitor.

3.) Can AndroGenerator prevent HPTA SHUTDOWN & INCREASE GAINS ON CYCLE?

Answer: YES, AndroGenerator will minimize HPTA inhibition and increase your gains on cycle. AndroGenerator will MINIMIZE HPTA INHIBITION, through several different mechanisms. During a steroid cycle, the testicles SHRINK. This is known as testicular atrophy. The testicles shrink as a result of being "SHUTDOWN". They are not functioning to produce testosterone, because the body has ceased all endogenous androgen production as a result of detecting exogenous hormones. AndroGenerator is so powerful and effective, it will actually PREVENT HPTA SHUTDOWN from ocurring while ON CYCLE! While on cycle, the body's natural production of testosterone(and LH) becomes suppressed. Just like HCG, AndroGenerator signals the Pituitary to secrete LH, which subsequently causes the testicles to produce more testosterone. This increase in LH and subsequently testosterone, maintains testicular mass and function while on anabolic steroids. AndroGenerator also decreases PROLACTIN, which is the primary sex hormone responsible for "HPTA sensitivity". Prolactin is a nasty hormone that will cause the HPTA to SHUTDOWN almost immediately, which is why steroids such as Deca and Tren are so suppressive to HPTA function. By decreasing prolactin, we can decrease HPTA sensitivity and further minimize total HPTA inhibition experienced while on cycle. Running AndroGenerator with a mild steroid such as Anavar, Dianabol, or Epistane, will result in virtually no HPTA inhibition at all. Including Androgenerator in your full cycle will result in much less HPTA inhibition and of course, much GREATER GAINS while on cycle, due to the pro-androgenic, muscle-building effect of AndroGenerator.

4.) Does AndroGenerator increase sexual performance?

Answer: Many users have reported substantial increases is penile length and girth, as well as a large increase in libido, erection strength, ejaculatory volume, and genital sensitivity, from the main ingredients in AndroGenerator, "LJ100" and "Protodioscin". Many of these aphrodisiac effects have been documented with the active ingredients in Androgenerator and over a dozen clinical trials in Malaysia have demonstrated the pro-androgenic, pro-sexual effect of LJ100. AndroGenerator contains the ONLY natural ingredients shown to increase PENIS SIZE! LJ100 and Protodiocin function mutually to increase blood flow and oxygen to the penis, while simultaneously increasing Testosterone(the male hormone) production at the testicular level. As the male hormone, it is directly responsible for a myriad of cognitive, physical, and psycholgical characteristics that we as males possess. Testosterone increases sexual appetite, vigor, stamina, potency, and fertility. Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength, and restores youthfulness and well-being. Increased testosterone levels translates into an increase in "masculine" characterstics and behavior. AndroGenerator contains the potent ingredients LJ100 and Protodiocin, which not only increase total testosterone production, total free testosterone, and enhance the testosterone to estrogen ratio, but they also directly stimulate the testicles, increase oxygen and bloodflow to the penis, and strengthen the penile muscles responsible for ejaculation and genital control. Sustained penis size increases have been reported, and have been confirmed anecdotally by thousands. AndroGenerator will definitely give you the EDGE in the bedroom that you are looking for.
 
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The active anabolic ingredient in Omnibolic is the known steroid, Ecdysterone. Imported directly from Russia, the Ecdysterone in this product is extracted from Rhaponticum carthamoides and is guaranteed to be 98% (or higher) pure. This (and only this) remarkable plant extract, (at this potency), has been proven in numerous clinical studies to be more anabolic than methandrostenolone (Dianabol), with no androgenic or other undesirable side effects. Omnibolic is a non-hormonal dietary supplement that will cause a huge increase in anabolism but will not effect hormone levels.

Omnibolic works by increasing nitrogen retention and increasing protein synthesis at the cellular level (for this reason we strongly recommend that you increase your daily dietary intake of protein while using this product). It has been scientifically proven, without a doubt, that increased nitrogen retention and resistance training will stimulate muscle growth and burn fat as much as 20 times more effective than without the increase in nitrogen retention caused by ecdysterone supplementation.

The Russian ingredients in Omnibolic have also been clinically proven to increase in strength and endurance. This is the same exact ingredient that the Russian government gave to its athletes prior to competitions in order to optimize performance while coming off anabolic steroids to beat doping tests. Strangely enough, many Russian athletes performed better in competition while using Ecdysterone than they did in preparation while on anabolic steroids.

If you are wondering why you have never heard of Ecdysterone before it is because this information has been somewhat classified until the collapse of the Soviet Union and since then it has been way too expensive (over $20,000 a kilo) to bring real Ecdysterone from Rhaponticum carthamoides to market. UNTIL NOW!

This is the first time ever that this material is being made available and you have our guarantee that nothing you have ever tried will work better than Omnibolic for adding lean muscle mass. Because Omnibolic is a non-hormonal supplement it can be safely used by both men and women. The Ecdysterone in this product is Ecdypure TM material, guaranteed to be 98% or higher pure Ecdysterone. Omnibolic will not cause a positive test result for any banned or controlled substance. Omnibolic is a 100% safe and legal dietary supplement.

Ecdysterone has also been shown to be an adaptogen. This basically means that it has other physiological advantages in addition to increasing muscular development. Part of the advantage of this product includes an increase in mental, physical and immunological capacity. The pioneer studies were conducted by Professor Vladimir Syrov of the Research Institute of Plant Substance of Chemistry, Academy of Science of Uzbekistan, and specifically proved that the ecdysterone derived from Rhaponticum carthamoides possessed anabolic properties in both animals and humans. His original work was done primarily with Rhaponticum carthamoides.

6-Keto Diosgenin (25R-Spirost-4-ene-3,6-diol)


Dr. Syrov and Dr. A.J. Kurmukov published a study entitled, "The Experimental Study of the Anabolic Activities of the 6-Keto Derivatives of Some Natural Sapogenins", in which they analyzed the various sterol compounds from these plant sources. They found several adaptogens in addition to the beta-ecdysterone, including agigenin, disogenin and alliogenin, all of which displayed further anabolic activity, but none of which displayed androgenic properties. This basically means that this group of sapogenins do not have any influence in elevating or decreasing the testosterone levels of the person taking them. This is precisely what the Russians wanted, since they were having several of the world class athletes fail urine tests in international competition because they were taking synthetic steroids. What Dr. Syrov and his colleagues further showed was a dramatic improvement in liver, kidney, heart and muscular activity, and a dramatic increase in the total amount of protein found within these organs. In other words, there is an increase in protein synthesis in all of the major organs of the body, including muscular tissue, with no effect on the hormonal activity of the body. This is remarkable and exciting because it thus poses no threat to the individual in terms of toxicity and/or the capacity to increase existing cancers. As a matter of fact, several South American physicians have used this compound extensively to battle cancer and even a very difficult disease known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which is normally considered to be a viral infection.

How Does Ecdysterone Work?

In each cell there are 3 forms of ribonucleic acid (RNA) which are involved in the production of protein. All of this protein synthesis occurs at the level of the ribosome. Basically, the process involves 3 states:

1. Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) gives instructions to the poly-ribosomal complex to join together specific ribosomes into forming a complex (group). This is the manufacturing facility where the proteins and muscle tissue are formed.

2. Messenger RNA (mRNA) travels from the nucleus where it has received the specific genetic code on how to make a specific protein. This is very much like a reel-to-reel tape going through a computer in which specific instructions are being given at an extremely rapid rate. The mRNA travels into the poly-ribosomal complex and runs across the ribosomes, giving specific instructions which result in exact sequences of the 22 different amino acids being placed together to form a specific protein (muscle).

3. Transfer RNA (tRNA) then move the amino acids to the ribosomes so as to allow the mRNA tape to hook up the individual amino acids to form the polypeptides (protein chains).


Realize that the Russian and Japanese scientists determined the specific location of Ecdysterone's actions were at the level at which the transfer RNA translates amino acids into proteins at the ribosomes. Thus, Ecdysterone increases the rate at which proteins are manufactured. Synthetic steroids affect the instructions from the nucleus, called transcription. This can pose a problem in that, if one has hormonally sensitive cancer, it can increase the rate of cancer growth within the body. Ecdysterone, on the other hand, affects the translation of amino acids into protein, which does not influence the rate of growth of cancers. This makes the Ecdysterone products totally safe, having no effect on the hormonal levels of the body. Researchers have proven that beta-ecdysterone has no side effects, except that it improves liver function, kidney function, heart function, muscle size and physical performance. Because of the other sapogenins within the herbal complex there may even be other medicinal benefits which can help an individual, such as anti-viral, anti-bacterial and immune stimulating properties.


Citrulline Malate


Citrulline, although a non-essential amino acid, is not widely abundant in our daily diet. However, it plays a vital role in many important biological processes.

1. Increased NO Production

Of specific interest to all of us athletes in the trenches is it's role of regulating Nitric Oxide (NO). I mention this first only because the sport nutrition industry has been recently flooded with NO potentiating products comprised of L-Arginine and / or other Arginine salts, which until this day have been the most cost effective manner in improving NO function. It is well known in the scientific community that L-Arginine is a substrate for production of Nitric Oxide2, as well as catalyst for other metabolic reactions including its effects on insulin, various hormones and creatine synthesis.3



(The NO synthase (NOS) enzymes convert Arginine into Citrulline and NO)

So what is NO and what can it do for you? Nitric oxide is the cell-sign****g molecule that has a part in regulating blood flow, oxygen delivery, glucose uptake, muscle firepower, and muscle growth. Obviously the ability to control these physiological effects can be of tremendous value to athletes.

Unfortunately I think many of the companies currently marketing NO products are missing the boat by not including Citrulline Malate in the current crop of NO supplements. You see, many of Citrulline's functions stem primarily from its ability to increase plasma levels of Arginine endogenously (in the human body).4 And what is really so exciting about Citrulline is that it seems to increase plasma Arginine levels better than taking the amino acid Arginine itself.5 You read correctly!

Research has shown that supplementation of Citrulline raises Arginine levels more effectively than taking the same dose of straight Arginine. Keep in mind that Citrulline Malate's NO enhancing properties are just one of the unique benefits this nutrient offers to athletes. And if the enhanced pumps and improved nutrient delivery properties are the reason you are using Arginine based NO products, you need to pay attention to Citrulline Malate.

2. Reduces Lactic Acid and Ammonia


Here is something else you need to know about Citrulline... it is an intermediate in the Urea Cycle. The Urea Cycle is a system in the liver of carrier molecules and enzymes that convert nitrogenous wastes into urea and eliminates them from the body. The production and removal of urea is essential for the elimination of ammonia and toxic nitrogen metabolites. Ammonia is extremely toxic to all cells and excessive levels may even be fatal. Even in healthy athletes, the build up of ammonia can lead to extreme fatigue and more.6 It also reduces glycogen formation, and inhibits the energy cycle. Obviously this is what every athlete wants to avoid!

Unfortunately all exercise, anaerobic and aerobic exercise produces tons of this stuff.7 Ammonia also forms when bacteria in the intestinal tract breaks down protein. The point is that the more ammonia in your blood, the poorer your athletic performance.8 Citrulline Malate comes to the rescue once again by aiding in the elimination of amino acid byproducts of protein metabolism. Researchers also purpose that Citrulline Malate may help to eliminate the burn associated with lactic acid build up as well as reduce the negative effects of ammonia and bacterial endo toxins on performance. Demonstrations also show Citrulline Malate as having a protective effect against acidosis and ammonnia poisoning.12 The metabolic actions of Citrulline Malate clearly explain the anti-fatigue properties in man and shows great promise to its uses as a performance enhancer for athletes.

The Urea cycle splits Arginine into Ornithine and Urea. The urea is excreted as a waste product. Citrulline is synthesized from the Ornithine and carbamoyl phosphate. Citrulline is then converted back to Arginine.

3. Increases ATP and Phosphocreatine Recovery

No doubt there is a lot to get excited about when it comes to the performance enhancing potential of Citrulline Malate and how it works. Another study showed yet another way Citrulline Malate can benefit athletes - by increasing aerobic energy production.9 Studies show subjects using Citrulline Malate have an increase in the rate of muscle ATP (Andenosine Triphosphate, the major energy source within the cell) production during exercise and greater phosphocreatine recovery after exercise. So taking Citrulline Malate may result in muscles that can keep on going and going... completely smashing the aerobic threshold! These effects are more than likely mediated by the malate portion of the Citrulline Malate compound, which is a Krebs Cycle intermediate.

The Krebs Cycle refers to a portion of the metabolic pathway of amino acids in the conversion of sugars and fats into ATP, and the role of friendly bacteria (mitochondria) in our cells. The Krebs Cycle happens in the mitochondria, where sugar and fat pour in and are burned much like in a blast furnace, with a number of weak amino acids acting as a conveyor belt. Impaired ability to make ATP results in premature fatigue and "hitting the wall", unable to continue intense exercise.

Getting back to malate, it appears that it is synergistic when bonded to citrulline and this peptide may work better than supplementation of citrulline alone.10 While citrulline acts to increase NO and reduce performance inhibiting metabolic toxins, malate conditions the recycling of lactate and pyruvate, and takes part in the kreb cycle supplying instant and sustained energy.



Scientific Studies


Ecdysterone has been tested for its effects on work capacity, immune function, lean body mass and fat loss, among other variables in a number of scientific studies. The vast majority of research indicates an increase in test subjects' lean mass. Results were further improved when ecdysterone was consumed with protein.

Increase Protein Synthesis and Invoke Positive Nitrogen Balance:

Studies conducted in the Soviet Union in 1988 showed ecdysterone helps "increase hepatic protein synthesis and subsequently promote positive nitrogen balance!" How does this lead to more muscle mass? Simply: "the more nitrogen your body maintains and the greater rate of protein synthesis, the more mass, period." How, exactly, does ecdysterone do this?

V. Smetanin, researcher of the Smolenk State Medical Institute in Russia speculates that ecdysterone decreases urea concentration in the body and increases hemoglobin levels by increasing a process called erythropoiesis. Erythropoiesis is the development of mature red blood cells. This leads to a stimulation of the anabolic process in protein metabolism, which in turn leads to a positive nitrogen balance in the body.


Increase Lean Muscle Mass While Reducing Body Fat:

The most often quoted ecdysterone scientific study was published in Scientific Sports Bulletin by S. Simakin in 1988. The objective of Simakin's famous study was to determine the effect of ecdysterone on muscle tissue mass and fat mass, while testing for hormonal changes in the subjects.

For the study, three control factors were used: a placebo, protein, and ecdysterone with protein. The results were significantly in favor of the third factor. Of the 78 highly trained male and female athletes who consumed just protein, they showed only a slight increase in muscle mass for the 10 day period of time.

Those who used a placebo lost a slight amount of lean muscle, while those who used protein plus ecdysterone showed a 6-7% increase in lean muscle tissue with nearly a 10% reduction in fat! Let me say that again: A 10% reduction in fat and a 7% increase in lean muscle tissue in just 10 days! Safety testing was conducted during the same time period which showed no difference in hormonal balance. Wow, if ecdysterone plus protein can do this for highly trained athletes, just think what it can do for the average person!


Increase Stamina, Endurance, And Energy:

Ecdysterone was tested in another study performed in 1986 by B.Ya Smetanin. For this research, 117 highly trained speed skaters between the ages of 18 and 28 were tested for work capacity, body weight, lung capacity and VO2 max. The results speak for themselves: all of the said parameters increased as well as an increase in the O2 pulse max and an increase in the exhalation of CO2.

Basically, they received more oxygen to their cells! This equates to decreasing recovery time, maximizing performance, permitting optimal muscle anabolism and maximum fat reduction. It also means the athletes using ecdysterone compared to those on a placebo experienced increased stamina, endurance and energy.

That's not all! A study conducted using 112 athletes performed by B.G. Fadeev in Russia showed some very impressive overall results. However, by this time, the results should come as no surprise. 89% of those who supplemented with ecdysterone versus a placebo reported less fatigue, greater performance, more motivation, greater speed, and improved strength. How long did it take before these athletes reported these effects? Months? Weeks? No, five days. To make matters even better, no adverse side effects were reported.

Ecdysterone compared to methandrostenolone (D-Bol):

The action of methandrostenolone and ecdysterone on the physical endurance of animals and on protein metabolism in the skeletal muscles.

Author:
Chermnykh NS ; Shimanovski¨i NL ; Shutko GV ; Syrov VN
Farmakol Toksikol, 51(6):57-60 1988 Nov-Dec

Abstract:
The results of the comparative study on the myotropic activity of methandrostenolone and ecdysterone and their effects on physical endurance of animals suggested that ecdysterone possessing a wider spectrum of the anabolic action on the contractile proteins of the skeletal muscles exerts a more pronounced influence on physical endurance of animals without their preliminary training.



This study shows anabolic effects with no androgenic effects as compared to D-bol:

Anabolic activity of phytoecdysone-ecdysterone isolated from Rhaponticum carthamoides.

Author:
Syrov VN ; Kurmukov AG
Farmakol Toksikol, 39(6):690-3 1976 Nov-Dec

Abstract:
Introduction of phytiexdizone-exdisterone (0.5 mg/100 g) to rats for 7 days is shown to be attended by an accelerated body weight gain and also by a rising weight of the liver, heart, kidneys and musculus tibialis anterior. In these organs the total amount of protein increases. All of the above-stated changes are more marked when the substance is given to growing rats (70--80 g). In experiments on castrated sexually immature rats the androgenic action of exdisterone, unlike that of methandrostenolone, is not demonstrable.



Positive insulin response:

The effect of nerobol and ecdysterone on insulin-dependent processes linked normally and in insulin resistance

Author:
Kosovski¨i MI ; Syrov VN ; Mirakhmedov MM ; Katkova SP ; Khushbaktova ZA
Probl Endokrinol (Mosk), 35(5):77-81 1989 Sep-Oct

Abstract:
The effect of substances with anabolic activity (metandienone and ecdysterone phytoecdysteroid) on the manifestation of insulin effects was studied on a model of insulin resistance in rats induced by injections of hydrocortisone or by insulin insufficiency caused by alloxan. The sensitivity of the body to i. v. infusion of insulin and the reactivity of isolated fatty tissue to the hormone were increased after administration of these substances to test animals. The above effects of steroids were determined by nonspecific synthesis of total proteins in cells rather than by an increase in insulin secretion.



Also a very very strong adaptogen and antioxidant:

Antioxidant effect of 20-hydroxyecdysone in a model system

Kuz'menko AI - Ukr Biokhim Zh - 1999 May-Jun; 71(3): 35-8

Original Title:
Izuchenie antiokislitel'nogo effekta 20-gidroksiekdizona v model'noi sisteme.

Abstract:
Changes in the level of lipid free-radical oxidation in mitochondrial fraction at the presence of 20-hydroxyecdysone in 1, 2, 4, 6, 8 microM concentration with the help of a chemiluminescence (ChL) method were investigated in vitro. Statistically authentic reduction of ChL kinetic parameters--I(s) and tg alpha, at 20-hydroxyecdysone presence in concentration of 2 microM was found. 20-hydroxyecdysone administration in concentration 4 microM and more leads to the statistically authentic change of all four ChL parameters. The antioxidizing effect of 20-hydroxyecdysone was compared with action of such antioxidant as a hydroquinone. The higher activity of 20-hydroxyecdysone as an antioxidant in comparison with the hydroquinone was shown. For changes of all four measured kinetic parameters of ChL, concentration of the hydroquinone as much 2-fold than for 20-hydroxyecdysone is necessary. On the basis of our researches in the model system a conclusion was made that 20-hydroxyecdysone has an antioxidizing action on lipid free radical oxidation in mitochondrial fraction in dependents on concentration. 20-Hydroxyecdysone has antioxidizing properties directly, in these conditions in vitro, when its metabolites formation does not occur yet.



Insect hormones in vertebrates: anabolic effects of 20-hydroxyecdysone in Japanese quail.

Slama K - Experientia - 1996 Jul 15; 52(7): 702-6

Authors:
Slama K; Koudela K; Tenora J; Mathova A

Abstract:
Ecdysteroids are hormones controlling cell proliferation, growth and the developmental cycles of insects and other invertebrates. They are occasionally present in various unrelated plants for no apparent reason; no phytohormonal function has yet been identified. In certain cases, ecdysteroids are accumulated to high levels in leaves, roots or seeds. Some ecdysteroid-containing plants have been known as medicinal plants for centuries. One of them, Leuzea carthamoides Iljin (Asteraceae), growing in Central Asia, contains 0.4% ecdysteroid in dry roots and 2% in seeds. A pharmacological preparation from this plant, "Ecdisten', is already available as a commercial preparation for its anabolic, tonic and other effects, for medical use (review). It remained problematic, however, whether ecdysteroids were truly responsible for these effects, because Leuzea contains a number of other biologically active compounds in addition to ecdysteroids. We extracted and purified ecdysteroids from the seeds of Leuzea. With 6 g of 96% 20-hydroxyecdysone (20E), we made a large-scale feeding assay with Japanese quail to find out whether ecdysteroid alone could duplicate the anabolic effects of the seeds. We found that the 96% ecdysteroid increased the mass of the developing quails in a dose-dependent manner, with the rate of increase proportional to the ecdysteroid content in the seeds; there was a 115% increase in living mass with 100 mg kg-1 of pure 20E compared with 109.5% increase with 100-180 mg kg-1 20E equivalents in the seeds. We conclude that the plethora of growth-promoting, vitamin-like effects induced in vertebrates by Leuzea is mediated by ecdysteroids.


Study demonstrating the Anabolic effect of 6-Keto Diosgenin

[Experimental study of the anabolic activity of 6-ketoderivatives of certain natural sapogenins][Article in Russian]


Syrov VN, Kurmukov AG.
It is shown that 6-ketoderivatives of natural sapogenins, viz. agigenin, diosgenin and alliogenin, display the anabolic activity and do not manifest any androgenic properties. The compoud IV/(25 R)-5alpha-spirostan-2alpha, 3beta, 5alpha-triol-6-OH/produces an accelerated gain of weight in rats, and also an increase in the weight of the liver, heart, kidneys, musculus tibiliasis anterior and augments the total amount of protein therein. All of the above-mentioned changes become more pronounced with the study substance introduced to young animals. Castration of sexually immature rats greatly mitigates the anabolic effect of the compound IV.

PMID: 1028596 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
small but working on it said:
Its early and they are showing signs of coming around.

What would pct look like for me with this product, meaning what else would I use. I am in week 4 (just now starting to get strength gains) of 500mg sustanon, no kickstart, no hcg. I have my other pct stuff but was wondering when I should start this product and what should be used with it. I am all for the least amount of shit in me as possible to help recovery.

I was on a gram of test for a little bit and was slowly coming off. Did a few weeks of 50-100mg clomid and a couple hundred iu's Hcg eod. I know I recovered. Ross can probably answer the specifics better than I, so I'll let him if he doesn't mind. But most guys know when their test is getting low that means either pct didn't work or it's not going to anymore :worried: Mine goes really low but eventually does STILL come back. Having a natural supplement giving me boners throughout the day is wicked.
 
Jeez, this is Way over my head. I see the study says it can be used with dex as pct but doesnt appear to decisively say yes.

Also, did I read this right,


Many users have reported substantial increases is penile length and girth, as well as a large increase in libido, erection strength, ejaculatory volume, and genital sensitivity, from the main ingredients in AndroGenerator, "LJ100" and "Protodioscin".
 
small but working on it said:
Jeez, this is Way over my head. I see the study says it can be used with dex as pct but doesnt appear to decisively say yes.

Also, did I read this right,


Many users have reported substantial increases is penile length and girth, as well as a large increase in libido, erection strength, ejaculatory volume, and genital sensitivity, from the main ingredients in AndroGenerator, "LJ100" and "Protodioscin".

YES, AndroGenerator will produce a noticable "Cock Pump". :)
 
Alright Ross, I will give it a try, and I am the biggest skeptic alive of products that make claims such as these.

Anyway, how many servings per day? I'll give it a month run.
 
Sensational said:
Alright Ross, I will give it a try, and I am the biggest skeptic alive of products that make claims such as these.

Anyway, how many servings per day? I'll give it a month run.

Two servings per day, 2 bottles will last one month.
 
Sensational said:
Alright Ross, I will give it a try, and I am the biggest skeptic alive of products that make claims such as these.

Anyway, how many servings per day? I'll give it a month run.

Also, don't forget to keep a LOG. :)
 
Well this is good shit. I know dbbt has never been one to speak for a sponsor in the past.
Good shit dbbt. I think we have all been waiting for some feed back .
 
needtogetaas said:
Well this is good shit. I know dbbt has never been one to speak for a sponsor in the past.
Good shit dbbt. I think we have all been waiting for some feed back .

I always said, once you try AndroGenerator or Omnibolic, you are a LIFETIME customer. :)
 
Liquid2006 said:
LOL people stop buying into this scam artists garbage , its AR #2.
how u purchased these products ? i assume bad experience if so ... can u please explain? thought about giving this a run .. would appreciate the feedback
 
hurricane187 said:
how u purchased these products ? i assume bad experience if so ... can u please explain? thought about giving this a run .. would appreciate the feedback


Word brotha. Why come in here spitting garbage like that without elaboration?
 
Ross said:
Two servings per day, 2 bottles will last one month.
So damn near $100 a month. :rolleyes: It might be worth it for some of you. Years ago I just said fuck it and piss in the shower in the am. I was having a hard time pushing my cock down, to go in the toliet.
 
boyer said:
So damn near $100 a month. :rolleyes: It might be worth it for some of you. Years ago I just said fuck it and piss in the shower in the am. I was having a hard time pushing my cock down, to go in the toliet.


I plan on running the stack for 4 weeks at least, and that's the least I'd recommend someone use it for. I'm telling you it's awesome for Post Cycle Therapy. I'm headed to bed. I'll have a boner again in about 8 hours in the am.
 
boyer said:
So damn near $100 a month. :rolleyes: It might be worth it for some of you. Years ago I just said fuck it and piss in the shower in the am. I was having a hard time pushing my cock down, to go in the toliet.

AndroGenerator and Omnibolic are STAND-ALONE products that you can use by themselves!

I encourage you to look at some of the logs at www.AndroGenerator.com and www.Omnibolic.com, click on FORUMS at the top.

Once anyone TRIES either product, they are customers for LIFE. :)
 
Does holy still push your products?
 
I am the world's biggest skeptic.................. it seems like a huge risk to rely on something like this for something as important as PCT.

I would love to hear some more real life testimonials.
 
I would be more interested in knowing the differences and effects (levels) of the products PRE cycle and during cycle.

I have been off for about 9 months now. Wonder what effect they would have.
 
AAP said:
I would be more interested in knowing the differences and effects (levels) of the products PRE cycle and during cycle.

I have been off for about 9 months now. Wonder what effect they would have.

Ross have any of your customers gotten pre & post blood work done?
 
DBBT since you are just starting "the cycle" why dont you go ahead and do some before and after pics for us. The board and Ross would appreciate it.
 
GUARDIAN said:
Ross have any of your customers gotten pre & post blood work done?

Check this out:

THE ANABOLIC EFFECTS OF LJ100™
For a printable copy of this study, please click here: http://www.source-1-global.com/pdfs/LJ100-Clinical-Studies.pdf


Sareena Hanim Hamzah & Ashril Yusof
Department of Exercise Physiology, Sports Centre, University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur

Introduction
Eurycoma longifolia (LJ100™) is a tall shrub tree of a Simaroubaceace family and is commonly found along the hilly jungle slopes of Malaysia. It has been used for years as a traditional medicine to treat fever, ulcer, malarial, swelling, reduce high blood pressure and fatigue. However, LJ100 is better known for its aphrodisiac properties. In a clinical study by Ismail (2002), he demonstrated that this herb enhanced sexual activities and increased free testosterone levels in men. Increases in testosterone levels is associated with an improvement in fat free mass, muscle size and muscle strength in men (Brodsky, 1996; Bhasin, 1997), which could be further amplified by strength training (Bhasin, 1996). In this study, the effect of LJ100 water-soluble extract on body composition and muscle size in men will be measured.

Methods
Fourteen healthy adult males (age 25.64 ? 3.73 years) received either 100 mg/day LJ100 water-soluble extract (n = 7) or placebo (n = 7) for 8 weeks. Simultaneously, both groups performed an intensive strength-training program with initial load of 60% repetition maximum (RM), which was carried out on alternate days. A total of 10 exercises, which make up the circuit, were catered towards providing a total lower body and upper body workout. Each workout was done in two sets of 10 repetitions with 1-minute rest in between. The loads were gradually increased 10% per week. Body composition measurement using skin fold test was taken at two sites as recommended by McArdle (1993). A standard strength test that comprised of 1 RM test was administered on the subject to determine their strength. The upper limb strength was measured by determining their ability to resist maximum load using the shoulder press machine (Nautilus, USA) following the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM, 2001) standard measurement procedure. The arm circumference measurement was taken using a measuring tape at proximal 1/3rd of the arm. Electromyography reading of the isometric contraction of bicep muscle was taken using the surface electrodes. Subjects were instructed to perform an isokinetic flexion of the elbow using free barbells with load of 10 kg for the durations of 5 seconds. The mean amplitude was analyzed using the MyoResearch Software (Noraxon, USA).
All the measurements were taken 1 day prior to supplementation (LJ100 and placebo) and training period, and 1 day after the completion of 8 weeks experiment. All data were analyzed using the Statistical Package for Social Science (SPSS) computer software version 10.0 (2000) for t-test, means and standard deviation. Statistical significance was established at p<0.05.

Results
The results for fat free mass, fat mass, 1 RM, arm circumference, and sEMG of both groups are shown in Table 1.

Table 1. Average fat free mass, fat mass, 1 RM test, arm circumference and sEMG of the group consuming LJ100 water soluble extract and placebo before and after the period of supplementation and training program


* Results of mean ± SD for pre and post experiment showed significant difference (p<0.05)

The fat free mass of the group supplemented with LJ100 water-soluble extract showed a significant increment of approximately 2.1 kg. There were no significant changes in fat free mass in placebo. Body fat percentages were significantly decreased in treatment and placebo. However, a greater decrement was shown in treatment compared to placebo i.e. 9.14% and 6.57%, respectively. The 1 RM test muscle strength test showed an increase in gross muscle power in both groups. The treatment group showed a greater increment in strength compared to placebo i.e. 6.78% and 2.77%, respectively. The mean arm circumference in treatment group increased significantly by 1.8 cm following the supplementation while no significant changes observed in placebo group. The mean sEMG reading of the treatment and placebo showed a significant decrement in values after going through the exercise program. However, the treatment group showed 2.92% higher reduction in electrical activity of the muscle measured at the end of the experiment period compared to placebo (25.70% and 22.78%, respectively). During and after the administration of LJ100, no adverse effects were noted within the treatment group.

Discussion/ Conclusion
In this study, although the testosterone level was not measured during the test period, an increased in fat free mass in treatment group may be linked to the rise in steroidal hormones in the body. The percentage of body fat appeared to decrease in both groups, this finding is in agreement with a study by Brodsky (1996). However, the further decrease in fat mass by the treatment group could be explained by the higher metabolic rate after consuming LJ100. The increment in muscle strength with strength training in both the treatment and placebo groups were consistent with the finding by Kraemer (1993), he suggested that the improvement in strength was caused by the increase in testosterone levels. Jones and Round (1996) proposed that increases in strength are greater than increases in muscle size during the first 6-8 weeks of strength training. Thus, an increase in arm circumference observed in treatment group could be explained by the testosterone enhancing effect of the extract. In conclusion, results obtained from this pilot study suggest that the administration of LJ100 improved fat free mass, reduce fat mass, increase muscle strength and size suggesting LJ100 might be used as an ergogenic aid. Further studies will be carried out to determine the mechanism of action at hormonal and molecular level.

Water-soluble extract of LJ100™ as a potential
natural energizer for healthy aging in men.
M.I.M.TAMBI1, S. OTHMAN2and J.M SAAD2

1Specialist Reproductive Research Center, National Population & Family Development Board, Ministry of Women & Family Development, Malaysia.
2Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine, University of Malaya, Malaysia.

Introduction
Malaysia has a rich source of rainforests that contain thousands of plants with potential medicinal values. One such plant is the tall shrub tree from the Simaroubaceace family, Eurycoma Longifolia (LJ100™ Tongkat Ali) which is commonly found along the hilly jungle slopes of Malaysia (Burkill and Hanif, 1930). The local name of the shrub is 'Tongkat Ali' or Ali's Walking Stick' which is rather suggestive of its traditional function of sexual support for aging males. Similar trees are also found in other Asian Rainforests; however, it is traditionally known that only two species of the shrub namely E.Longifolia and E.apiculata have medicinal properties (Burkill and Hanif, 1930). The medicinal elements are only found within the roots. The root of Eurycoma Longifolia was used as a decoction by the natives of old Malaya, especially the elderly for strength and energy (Burkill and Hanif,1930), this practice remains to this day.
Early experimental studies on animals were mainly focused on the aphrodisiac properties of LJ100. Mice treated LJ100 demonstrated higher frequency of mounting compared to the control group (Ali and Saad, 1993). Additionally, the serum testosterone of the dissected mice showed an increase of 480% compared to the placebo-controlled group (Ali and Saad, 1993). Further studies provided evidence that LJ100 produced a dose-dependent increase in mounting frequency in male rats, hence, acting as a potent stimulator of sexual arousal in the absence of feedback from genital sensation (Ang and Sim,1997). It was also shown that LJ100enhanced and maintained a high level of crossovers, mountings, intromissions, and ejaculations.

Other studies showed that when the extract of LJ100 was injected into male mice, they showed intense physical activities and copulatory behavior (Ang and Sim, 1998). Even frail mice were observed to be active and alert. In another study, LJ100 was exposed to penile muscular tissue of male mice; results demonstrated that the muscular tissue was found to relax. Analysis on the mitochondria homogenates of the liver and penile muscle of the mice showed that the extract could enhance the respiration of mitochondria, leading to 60% increase in ATP production through oxidative phosphorylation (Khamis and Saad, 1993).

Early clinical trials studied the effect of LJ100 on testicular tissues. The samples were incubated along with human testicular tissues taken from men who were orchidectomised as part of treatment of prostate cancer (Aminuddin et al, 1995). There was significant increase in the concentration of testosterone and its precursors. The results suggest that the LJ100 has the ability to increase the biosynthesis of androgens (Aminuddin et al, 1995).


Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics. The primary, and most well known, androgen is testosterone.

In this study, we intend to investigate the effect of the LJ100 water-soluble extract on testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) levels in human subjects. Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is a natural steroid hormone produced from cholesterol by the adrenal glands. Dehydroepiandrosterone is structurally similar to testosterone and estrone and can be easily converted into those hormones (DHEA is a precursor for testosterone). Sex hormone binding globulins are carrier proteins that regulate the amount of unbound steroid in the blood. A decrease in SHBG is associated with an improvement in free testosterone index. Additional parameters that will be measured include Quality Of Life (QOL) via the PADAM score and Sexual Health Inventory Questionnaires (SHI-Q).

Methodology
In a Reproductive Research Center in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 30 human volunteers were recruited in a randomized open trial. The volunteers were selected among married men whose age ranges between 31-52 years. There were no other specific criteria for the selection of volunteers. Dr. Johari M. Saad and co-workers from the Department of Biochemistry, University Malaya, Malaysia, produced LJ100 water-soluble extract of E.Longifolia root.
Upon registration, the volunteers were asked to fill out two questionnaires: (i) a validated Sexual Health Inventory Questionnaires (SHI-Q) and (ii) the PADAM Score Questionnaires. Peripheral venous blood sample was collected from each individual to evaluate his total testosterone hormone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate (DHEA) and sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) levels. Following this, each volunteer was given a supply of the encapsulated LJ100. These were to be consumed regularly for three consecutive weeks, twice daily, and two capsules per day (100 mg/day). The volunteers were requested to come back for a follow-up after week one and week three. During the follow-up sessions, they were asked to again fill out two sets of questionnaires and provide blood samples for analysis of serum testosterone, SHBG and DHEA.

Results
Questionnaires Analysis
Analysis of the SHI-Questionnaire results have shown that 62% of the cases had either increased or a maximum score after consuming LJ100. Another 24% showed reduction while 14% of the cases showed no change in the score (Figure 1). This indicates that the majority of the volunteers demonstrated an increase in their sexual health satisfaction and performance. Breakdown of the SHI-Questionnaire showed subjects has an increase in sexual desire and the success at the attempts at sexual intercourse.


Figure 1: Effect of LJ100™ consumption on SHI-Q Score


PADAM Analysis
Analysis of the PADAM Score demonstrated that 82% of the cases showed a decrease in total score (decrease is positive effect). There is 91% improvement in the sexual PADAM score component, a 73% improvement in the physical component, and an 82% improvement of psychological component. The vasomotor score showed improvement in 50% of the subjects (Figure 2). The improvements in the first three components of the PADAM score reflects that consumption of LJ100 had resulted in an improvement of their quality of life with regards to their physical, sexual and psychological well being.

Figure 2: Percentage of Improvement or Reduction for Various Components of the PADAM Score




Serum Hormones analysis
Testosterone
Total testosterone levels were not significantly different between those raised (43%) and those declined (39%) in this study (Table 1). This gives an initial impression that LJ100 does not have any effect on steroidogenesis. Considering that almost all the volunteers have normal levels of total testosterone, the feedback system is activated to ensure the testosterone levels are within the individual needs range. In 6 volunteers whose serum total testosterone is low, there is an increase in total testosterone on first and third week as well as improvement in the Quality of Life Scores (SHI-Q and PADAM Score).



DHEA
Analysis of the DHEA showed gradual increase from 26% after 1 week to 47% after 3 weeks. This suggests that LJ100may influence the DHEA production, which subsequently would be aromatized to testosterone (Figure 3).

Figure 3: Percentage of Increment in DHEA level



SHBG Analysis
The results showed that SHBG levels were reduced in 36% of the cases after one week and improved to 66% after 3 weeks. This suggests that LJ100 could have an effect on the production of SHBG (Table 2).



Free Testosterone Index Analysis (FTI)
When the SHBG level declines, the Free Testosterone Index (FTI is calculated as a percentage of the total testosterone against SHBG) goes up. Results demonstrated that the FTI increased in 39% of the subjects after 1 week to 73% after 3 weeks (Table 3)



Conclusion
Increasing testosterone is the key factor in increasing sex drive. Testosterone is the most important of the male sex hormones, known as androgens, produced in the gonads. Testosterone plays a key role in the development and maturity of male sex organs. The hormone promotes secondary sex characteristics, including the appearance of facial hair, sexual desire, and sexual behavior. However, testosterone is not just a sex booster for men. Women also produce testosterone, about 5 to 10 percent the amount produced in men. In woman, this vital hormone also stimulates sex drive and produces heightened sensitivity of erogenous zones.

In this study, the aqueous LJ100 extract has a strong potential in providing sufficient free testosterone to the body as demonstrated by the increase in the free testosterone index between weeks one and three. The high score in the Physical and Sexual Domain of PADAM and the Desire and Sexual Attempts in the SHI-Q score suggests this extract can delivery sexual health effects for both men and women.

The results demonstrated that the circulating androgen concentration affects SHBG synthesis. The increase in DHEA levels (DHEA is a precursor to testosterone) between week 1 and week 3 resulted in elevated testosterone levels that caused a decrease in SHBG levels. It is important to note the any decrease in SHBG levels has an overall effect to increase free testosterone index as indicated in table 3. The results of this study suggest that LJ100 inhibits SHBG allowing more free testosterone to remain in the blood. This additional testosterone stems the aging process, improves energy and sexual function, and helps reduce body fat and reduces the risk factors associated with heart health.

Since this study is just an exploratory study to look into the marketing potential of LJ100, the volunteers were asked about personal feedbacks with regard to the extract. The following responses were received:
48% felt that they are feeling healthy, not easily tired, feeling active and energized.
40% felt easily aroused, increase sexual desire and maintained an erection longer.
16% felt their joints and backache are feeling better.
24% felt warm and easily sweat (sign of better circulation)
8% experience better sleep.
8% felt an improvement in their memory.
20% felt their appetite has improved and their bowel movements are better than before.

References
1.Burkill, IH and Hanif, M; (1930) Malay Village Medicine, The Garden Bulletin Strait Settlements.
2.Ali, JM and Saad, JM (1993); Biochemical effect of Eurycoma Longifolia Jack on the sexual behavior, fertility, sex hormone and glycolysis. Dissertation Paper for Bachelor of Science, Department of Biochemistry, University of Malaya
3.Ang, HH and Sim,MK (1997); Effect of Eurycoma Longifolia Jack on sexual behavior of male rats. Archives of Pharmacal Research (Seoul),20(5),656-58
4.Ang, HH and Sim,MK (1998)[1]; Eurycoma Longifolia Jack and orientation in sexually experiences male rats. Biol and Pharmaceutical Bulletin 21(2);153-55
5.Ang, HH and Sim,MK (1998)[2]; Eurycoma Longifolia Jack increases sexual motivation in sexually naive male rats. Archives of Pharmacal Research (Seoul),21(6),778-81
6.Khamis, ZM and Saad, JM (1993); Dissertation Paper for Bachelor of Science, Department of Biochemistry, University of Malaya.
7.Aminuddin, N; Saad, JM; Hadi, AH and Abdullah, R (1995); The effect of Eurycoma Longifolia extracts on androgen synthesis.


LJ100™ Saliva Testosterone Test

Saliva Testosterone Test of 9 Individuals 26-52 years of age
Dosage 2x2 (50mg/capsules) morning & evening for 10 days
Normal range for athlete 800 = 150ng/dl of blood


Volunteers 1-5 are athletes - data are an average of 3 different studies at different times
Volunteers 6-9 do not exercise on a regular basis

Conclusion
The results demonstrate that 100 mg per day of LJ100 caused an increase in bioavailability testosterone within 10 days. Furthermore, all subjects (athletes and non-athletes) showed a positive increase in testosterone suggesting that LJ100 causes an increase in the free testosterone index.

Effect of LJ100 Tongkat Ali on Anabolic Balance During Endurance Exercise

Talbott S, Talbott J, Negrete J, Jones M, Nichols M, and Roza J. Effect of Eurycoma longifolia Extract on Anabolic Balance During Endurance Exercise. SupplementWatch, Inc. Draper, UT, 84020 USA and Source One Global Partners, Chicago, IL 60611 USA. [email protected]

Eurycoma longifolia, commonly known as “Tongkat Ali” or “Longjack,” is often touted as a testosterone “booster” and marketed to athletes as a training aid and performance enhancer. Rodent studies have shown oral delivery of Eurycoma extract to improve sexual performance and increase serum testosterone levels. Open-label human trials have suggested that Eurycoma extract may help prevent age-associated androgen deficiency, improve sexual function, and increase psychological parameters such as mood, energy, and sense of well-being. The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of Eurycoma longifolia on testosterone and cortisol levels during intense endurance exercise. We used a water-soluble extract of Eurycoma longifolia (E) standardized to 22% eurypeptides and 40% glycosaponins. Male subjects (N=30) were recruited from a 24-hour mountain biking event and asked to provide a saliva sample before and after each lap for measurement of cortisol and testosterone by enzyme immunoassay (Salimetrics, State College, PA). Subjects completed 4 laps (14.91 miles/lap) and provided 8 saliva samples over a 24h period. Subjects consumed 100mg of E or a look-alike placebo (P) approximately 30 minutes prior to endurance exercise. Cortisol levels were 32.3% lower in E compared to P (0.552+0.665 versus 0.816+0.775 ug/dL, P < 0.05). Testosterone levels were 16.4% higher in E compared to P (86.72+40.90 versus 72.47+33.77 pg/mL, P < 0.05). These results suggest that Eurycoma longifolia extract may help to maintain normal levels of cortisol (low) and testosterone (high) and thus promote an overall “anabolic” hormonal state (versus a “catabolic” state characterized by elevated cortisol and suppressed testosterone) during intense endurance exercise.
 
digitizedsoul said:
Probably not the best idea to post links to that forum bro. That is a source board and linking to it from here is almost certainly against the rules.


my link directs straight to Ross' paid for advertisement space. But if you delete yours, ill delete mine :) now that you've quoted it, its gonna still be in the thread. or a mod can just delete them both, if i've violated anything.
 
1500 said:
my link directs straight to Ross' paid for advertisement space. But if you delete yours, ill delete mine :) now that you've quoted it, its gonna still be in the thread. or a mod can just delete them both, if i've violated anything.

I think he is saying that posting links to other forums is not cool.

Thanks for posting the bloodtests though! :)
 
Is that the now famous “lab accidentally marked it female” blood-test?

I couldn’t get the link to work. Guess you have to be a member there.
 
Ross said:
I think he is saying that posting links to other forums is not cool.

Thanks for posting the bloodtests though! :)

that is what i was interested in blood tests not studies.
 
GUARDIAN said:
a female patient? LMAO

yer pretty embarrassing getting caught out using a female as a patient to promote a product targeted at males

oh oh the lab stuffed it up, lolololololol
 
xrsist said:
yer pretty embarrassing getting caught out using a female as a patient to promote a product targeted at males

oh oh the lab stuffed it up, lolololololol

Are you SLOW? We have been over this before lil man, the LAB TEST marked HIM as a female, it happens.
 
1500 said:
DBBT since you are just starting "the cycle" why dont you go ahead and do some before and after pics for us. The board and Ross would appreciate it.


of my cock in the a.m.? Naw not into that dude. I dig chicks 1500.


Oh and yes, there was morning wood AGAIN!
 
DBBT said:
of my cock in the a.m.? Naw not into that dude. I dig chicks 1500.


Oh and yes, there was morning wood AGAIN!


only a :rainbow: would think thats what i meant. Didnt think you would. Avoid the request with a "funny" good dodge technique, and i doubt you like girls.
 
Dbbt You know the rules bro. X you have not been acting like a elite mentor for a few weeks now. You might want to think about that. Lot of people in this thread need to grow the fuck up. I am sick and tired of giving out warnings. Very soon there will be a mass banning if people don't cut the shit.
 
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