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Olympic swimming shouldn't deserve so many medals

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I find it akward that in swimming there is a medal placing in so many different categories, lenths and strokes, yet it's all obviously going to be the best swimmer that wins about everytime.

There should only be one olympic medal for all the strokes and one medal for the diff lengths and just have it how gymnastics has it. You don't see gymnast teams getting medals for every high bar, parallel bars, rings etc. It's all accumulated points at the end

Same thing goes especially for all the different swimming relay categories, it's all basically the same swimming team just with a changed stroke! That's like giving Team USA basketball a medals for games they are only aloud to shoot left handed, only aloud to shoot right handed games, only aloud to layup games, only dunking games, only freethrow games, only 3pt shot games, etc. You think they won't still win all of those? :rolleyes:
 
stephen4327 said:
you shouldnt say anything, if you dont really know what you are talking about. obviously you dont.
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+1

there are a lot of sports that get "medals" this way. The same swimmers don't do EVERY stroke and length.

Kinda like saying a sprinter in track/field does high jump, 800m, 2 mile race. Doesn't work this way.
 
c0tt0n m0uth said:
I find it akward that in swimming there is a medal placing in so many different categories, lenths and strokes, yet it's all obviously going to be the best swimmer that wins about everytime.

There should only be one olympic medal for all the strokes and one medal for the diff lengths and just have it how gymnastics has it. You don't see gymnast teams getting medals for every high bar, parallel bars, rings etc. It's all accumulated points at the end

Same thing goes especially for all the different swimming relay categories, it's all basically the same swimming team just with a changed stroke! That's like giving Team USA basketball a medals for games they are only aloud to shoot left handed, only aloud to shoot right handed games, only aloud to layup games, only dunking games, only freethrow games, only 3pt shot games, etc. You think they won't still win all of those? :rolleyes:
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I think you make a good point. Other Olympic sports award medals for either different events altogether or the same event for different distances. I can't think of any other sport that offers medals for each technique the athlete might use to cover a distance or perform a feat.
 
lol...gymnastics DO have medals in specific skills. Your score in the team competition enters you into the all around and the individual events later on.

LOL. Wow.
 
Yeah, tennis and volleyball are done in open air, and swimming is in the water.
Badminton is a cool sport man, and I think we here should start to make the magic of it happen again.
 
walliwalibus said:
Yeah, tennis and volleyball are done in open air, and swimming is in the water.
Badminton is a cool sport man, and I think we here should start to make the magic of it happen again.
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So then is water polo a sport or not?
 
nefertiti said:
lol...gymnastics DO have medals in specific skills. Your score in the team competition enters you into the all around and the individual events later on.

LOL. Wow.
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Those are unique events though. High bar, floor, pommel, vault are all fundamentally different skillsets. A good analogy to swimming might be One-Handed Highbar, Conventionial Highbar, Small Floor, Large Floor, Full Pommel, Half Pommel, etc. In other words, just twists on the same basic skill sets.
 
RottenWillow said:
I think you make a good point. Other Olympic sports award medals for either different events altogether or the same event for different distances. I can't think of any other sport that offers medals for each technique the athlete might use to cover a distance or perform a feat.
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swimming is pretty much exactly like track/field in this topic.

not every swimmer does butterfly, not every swimmer does back stroke, not every swimmer does breast stroke. very different techniques.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
So then is water polo a sport or not?
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Sure water polo is a sport, is it in thy Olympics, I dunno as I am not watching them because them come on while I am working. Do the swimmers pee in the pool like most others when they get in? Just curious.
 
Man - and Indian one the first ever individual Gold medal for India for air rifle shooting in the 10metre event. WTF - can someone explain how they make shooting at lengths of 10m's an event to win a medal?
 
mwm5 said:
swimming is pretty much exactly like track/field in this topic.

not every swimmer does butterfly, not every swimmer does back stroke, not every swimmer does breast stroke. very different techniques.
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The Old Grump was a competitive swimmer/ocean life guard back in the day. He told me that his coach always put him in the events he hated most.. LOL and couldn't figure it out till recently. The coach made the decision based on his genetics and ability.

Swimming is a bitch. Anyone who thinks it isn't a sport needsta try to swim a lap without feeling like they are going to die.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Swimming is a bitch. Anyone who thinks it isn't a sport needsta try to swim a lap without feeling like they are going to die.
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i can do a mean doggy paddle :artist:
 
mwm5 said:
swimming is pretty much exactly like track/field in this topic.

not every swimmer does butterfly, not every swimmer does back stroke, not every swimmer does breast stroke. very different techniques.
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Exactly, techniques. Different techniques to perform the same athletic feat, swimming. There are similarities between T&F and swimming certainly, but I see more differientiation between the T&F events. Hurdles requires a pretty different skillset from Long Jump, and Discus throwers aren't runners. Marathoners aren't sprinters. Some are pretty close, like Discus and Javelin, but those are only in the games anyway b/c they were ancient Olympic events. I don't think either, certainly not both, would be in the modern games if they weren't traditional.
 
c0tt0n m0uth said:
I find it akward that in swimming there is a medal placing in so many different categories, lenths and strokes, yet it's all obviously going to be the best swimmer that wins about everytime.

There should only be one olympic medal for all the strokes and one medal for the diff lengths and just have it how gymnastics has it. You don't see gymnast teams getting medals for every high bar, parallel bars, rings etc. It's all accumulated points at the end

Same thing goes especially for all the different swimming relay categories, it's all basically the same swimming team just with a changed stroke! That's like giving Team USA basketball a medals for games they are only aloud to shoot left handed, only aloud to shoot right handed games, only aloud to layup games, only dunking games, only freethrow games, only 3pt shot games, etc. You think they won't still win all of those? :rolleyes:
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Go swim all those strokes at different distances and see if you think they are all the same.

That is like saying there shouldn't be a 400m and a 800m in track - they are the same. Or there shouldn't be a 400m run and a 400m hurdle - they are all the same.

Really - totally ignorant post IMHO
 
billfred said:
Go swim all those strokes at different distances and see if you think they are all the same.

That is like saying there shouldn't be a 400m and a 800m in track - they are the same. Or there shouldn't be a 400m run and a 400m hurdle - they are all the same.

Really - totally ignorant post IMHO
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I don't think he said there shouldn't be different distances, just not different events for every swimming technique.
 
RottenWillow said:
I don't think he said there shouldn't be different distances, just not different events for every swimming technique.
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Hmmmm... let's check. Here is the qoute

I find it akward that in swimming there is a medal placing in so many different categories, lenths and strokes, yet it's all obviously going to be the best swimmer that wins about everytime.

Nope - that is what he said.
 
I think track and field has too many medals too. All they do is run in circles. 100m, 200m, 150m hurdles and so on.

I think they should have just one event, like hot dog eating. That way the fat and lazy will not be discriminated.
 
Um, I think that the debate should not be over events, but over the equipment enhancements that they get to give them an advantage. Those new skinsuits are causing every world record to be broken. Personally I'm totally suspicious of all of it because I think Phelps is doing way more than just wearing a fancier suit.

Track athletes can't wear better clothes to make them faster (except shoes). Gymnasts can't do anything. Swimming is the only place where they get this advantage. So why do they allow it?
 
swimmers get medals handed out like candy in the olympics, 102 between men and women to be exact, this is not a myth

track n field is the closest comparison but pretty far off still, yes the distance changes but you don't see runners get handed medals for the 200 backwards run, the 200 sprint, the 200 skip, the 200 hop, the 200 shuffle, the 200 cartwheel, the 200 summersalt, then 4 different distances in all of those events and then a team relay for each of those events in 2-4 different distances. Hurdles, that's about it.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
The Old Grump was a competitive swimmer/ocean life guard back in the day. He told me that his coach always put him in the events he hated most.. LOL and couldn't figure it out till recently. The coach made the decision based on his genetics and ability.

Swimming is a bitch. Anyone who thinks it isn't a sport needsta try to swim a lap without feeling like they are going to die.
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Exactly!

I bet most of the members on this board couldnt swim a lap without doggypaddleing the finish. Take in mind, they are swimming in a 50 METER pool, 99.9% pools in the gyms/ymcas you are all accustomed to are 25YARDS, less than half the distance. Try swimming in an olympic pool and then tell me they don't deserve these medals. swimmers are unbelievable athletes, same as track and field. it takes a diff training/genetics to run the 100 or the mile in track, same goes with swimming the 50m freestyle, or the 400 IM. people think bc they can float they can swim and thus its easy. so in that fashion, if i can stand i must be able to run the 40 dash in sub 4sec.
 
Kangazoo said:
Exactly!

I bet most of the members on this board couldnt swim a lap without doggypaddleing the finish. Take in mind, they are swimming in a 50 METER pool, 99.9% pools in the gyms/ymcas you are all accustomed to are 25YARDS, less than half the distance. Try swimming in an olympic pool and then tell me they don't deserve these medals. swimmers are unbelievable athletes, same as track and field. it takes a diff training/genetics to run the 100 or the mile in track, same goes with swimming the 50m freestyle, or the 400 IM. people think bc they can float they can swim and thus its easy. so in that fashion, if i can stand i must be able to run the 40 dash in sub 4sec.
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holy fucking irrelevant
 
There should be more women's swimming and less men's swimming medals.
There should be medal for underwater synchronized jiggling.
 
ponyfitness said:
Um, I think that the debate should not be over events, but over the equipment enhancements that they get to give them an advantage. Those new skinsuits are causing every world record to be broken. Personally I'm totally suspicious of all of it because I think Phelps is doing way more than just wearing a fancier suit.

Track athletes can't wear better clothes to make them faster (except shoes). Gymnasts can't do anything. Swimming is the only place where they get this advantage. So why do they allow it?
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Well nobody gives a shit what you think about Phelps. The suit does help the back and freestyle strokes but not the butterfly or the breast. A lot of the records being broken in the finals were set in the preliminaries and the semis.....races in which the same suit was used.
 
c0tt0n m0uth said:
I find it akward that in swimming there is a medal placing in so many different categories, lenths and strokes, yet it's all obviously going to be the best swimmer that wins about everytime.

There should only be one olympic medal for all the strokes and one medal for the diff lengths and just have it how gymnastics has it. You don't see gymnast teams getting medals for every high bar, parallel bars, rings etc. It's all accumulated points at the end

Same thing goes especially for all the different swimming relay categories, it's all basically the same swimming team just with a changed stroke! That's like giving Team USA basketball a medals for games they are only aloud to shoot left handed, only aloud to shoot right handed games, only aloud to layup games, only dunking games, only freethrow games, only 3pt shot games, etc. You think they won't still win all of those? :rolleyes:
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1. Phelps is an anomaly. A single swimmer does not usually dominate multiple strokes/distances.

2. Have you never seen the gymnastics individual events competition?
 
crew9 said:
Well nobody gives a shit what you think about Phelps. The suit does help the back and freestyle strokes but not the butterfly or the breast. A lot of the records being broken in the finals were set in the preliminaries and the semis.....races in which the same suit was used.
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Bullshit. Do you even know what the suit does? It makes the wearer more streamlined and able to cut through the water with less resistance. Tell me how that wouldn't help during any stroke.

And yeah, there are people breaking records in one semi, then it gets broken again in the next semi, and then again in the final. It's ridiculous.

Phelps is either genetically perfect or on something. Time will tell. People didn't think Lance Armstrong won 6 Tours without being on drugs either - he just hid it better than anyone else.
 
phelps is part of some IOC program which involves his being tested much more than normal...twice per week. or so i saw on TV the other day.
 
ponyfitness said:
Bullshit. Do you even know what the suit does? It makes the wearer more streamlined and able to cut through the water with less resistance. Tell me how that wouldn't help during any stroke.

And yeah, there are people breaking records in one semi, then it gets broken again in the next semi, and then again in the final. It's ridiculous.

Phelps is either genetically perfect or on something. Time will tell. People didn't think Lance Armstrong won 6 Tours without being on drugs either - he just hid it better than anyone else.
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they had suits the last olympics too didn't they?
 
nefertiti said:
lol...gymnastics DO have medals in specific skills. Your score in the team competition enters you into the all around and the individual events later on.

LOL. Wow.
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ditto on what she said...lol.
 
mwm5 said:
they had suits the last olympics too didn't they?
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Not like these ones. These are fairly new, I think they had them at last years' worlds which is where all these records started getting broken.
 
ponyfitness said:
Not like these ones. These are fairly new, I think they had them at last years' worlds which is where all these records started getting broken.
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i thought it was supposed to be the shallow chinese pool, that also has the drains arranged in a special way, that has been making it possible to shatter all the records
 
Phelps probably has a genetic deformity that gives him an advantage. There was that Austrian skier in the 1970's who produced three times the normal amount of red blood cells and he has endurance like a horse.

I read the Chinese are currently doing genetic manipulation for military purposes. If you think they did well this year just wait.

The announcer last night also said that the girls are taken from their homes at age 3, then stuck in training, being permitted to see their parents only one month out of the year. Amazing.
 
ponyfitness said:
Bullshit. Do you even know what the suit does? It makes the wearer more streamlined and able to cut through the water with less resistance. Tell me how that wouldn't help during any stroke.

And yeah, there are people breaking records in one semi, then it gets broken again in the next semi, and then again in the final. It's ridiculous.

Phelps is either genetically perfect or on something. Time will tell. People didn't think Lance Armstrong won 6 Tours without being on drugs either - he just hid it better than anyone else.
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Yes, I know what the suit does as it's been talked about to a ridiculous degree and have read an article about it. It does not help with breast and butterfly to the degree that it does in free and back.

Phelps isn't perfect he's just a perfectly conditioned athlete. He is rarely the fastest with his stroke but he is consistent. He gets huge leads on his turns, which he spent the last 4 years mastering them because they were a weakness in Athens, and by maintaining a punishing pace. I played soccer for one of the best teams in the nation when I was younger. We were the best not always because we had better skills but because our teams were conditioned extremely well. We played just as hard, just as fresh in the second half of the game as we did the first.

Also, it's already been previously mentioned, this pool at the Olympics is an engineering marvel. It was designed to be an extremely fast pool.

Is Phelps on something? Only Phelps and his coaches know. I'd like to think no but you never can be certain. His coach noticed his olmpic potential at age 11. He's 23 now.
 
jackangel said:
phelps is part of some IOC program which involves his being tested much more than normal...twice per week. or so i saw on TV the other day.
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That's BS. I'd say twice a month, max.
 
he is tested after every single race, something he was not happy with the process the other night when he had only an hour in between the 2 medal races
 
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