Older newby seeking advice

[thought1st]

Hey Guys:

I am 43M, 155lbs at 19% bf. I just started my first "Real" cycle. I used AS in the past (many years ago) without much success, mostly D and 4 or 5 amps of ??? whenever I could find it. What a waste. Did'nt do it right, didn't eat or work out right, etc.

I believe I got some good advice now mostly on these boards and from the guy who introduced me to EF. My eating and workout schedules are up and ready now. Please check out my program and offer any advice you feel I could use and what I should expect? Thanks!!! It will be MUCH appreciated.

Week 1-10 500 Sust wk
Week 1-5 50mg Dbol day
Week 1-7 50 mg Proviron day

And of course, the post stuff and anti-e's. I read a lot about Milk thistle and Saw palmetto reccomended for guys my age. How much do I take of those and is it necessary?

Thank you in advance for your help and wisdom.....

 

[turbogreek]

hey, what's up bro...what's your workout history/routine like? how long you been liftin' and at what intensity? there is still plenty of info we need to give some solid advise.

 

[Stryker1992]

Dude, not to be a bit critical but the BF is kind of high for someone not too heavy? What is the training histroy like?

 

[thought1st]

Hey guys: Been working out off an on for over 20 years. Never consistent. Went into biz and never took it to hard core. Met Bill Phillips last year, read his book and started to train at a different level. Only problem, always on the road and never ate right. Take bunches of good food with me and eat while driving now. In the gym 5-6 days a week for past 3 months. The bf??? I have a cheap scale at home that tells me the bf. May not be accurate. I am def not a fat boy and was surprised to see 19. Better get checked at the gym. Hopefully this is enough additional info. Have a great day!!!

 

[asianlover]

the bf calculator on those home scales is crap. it asks for height, age, and then weighs you. i guess it makes a calculation from those. it always registers really high for me. i probable put on a good 20lbs of muscle during this cycle and it told
me my bf was higher.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

50mg of dbol is not a small dose. I suggest you start with 25mg a day - otherwise the BP headaches, insomnia and back pumps may put you out of commission before you even get going!

SP 360mg and MT 1000mg (or more) daily throughout cycle. (SP is for your prostate and MT protects your liver from the orals.)

Good luck


Bluesman

 

[ElMatador]

you should obtain some HCG for your PCT...

 

[todoveritas]

I agree, for a first cycle, it may be wise to drop the dbol to 25 mg QD and I would also consider replacing some (not all) of the Test with a little Deca, say 200mg Q week (for us guys > 40, it's more prostate-safe than Test/Dbol and will add a little more esthetic look + will benefit your joints).

 

[Apexx]

the bf calculator on those home scales is crap. it asks for height, age, and then weighs you. i guess it makes a calculation from those. it always registers really high for me. i probable put on a good 20lbs of muscle during this cycle and it told
me my bf was higher.

yeah they are! They're about as accurate as the "trainers" at the YMCA who take you bf measurements. This one chick calculated my bf to be around 21% There was no way in hell that was right. Went to another gym and got it tested again.....12%.

My scale at home does the same thing. Consistently tells me I'm in the upper teens.

 

[thought1st]

50mg of dbol is not a small dose. I suggest you start with 25mg a day - otherwise the BP headaches, insomnia and back pumps may put you out of commission before you even get going!

SP 360mg and MT 1000mg (or more) daily throughout cycle. (SP is for your prostate and MT protects your liver from the orals.)

Good luck


Bluesman

Thanks guys. Still so much to learn. Have had a few low grade headaches this week and I never sleep as it is. I figured the first week was too soon for any sides. Your not the first to tell me to drop the D a little. Just anxious to grow, you know?

Somebody else told me to get liv 52 (Can't find it in local health store) instead of MT for now because it may slow me up. He said take the MT post cycle. As far as the Deca, sounds like a good idea. Can I ad it to the 500 sust each week or should I just cut back? I originally was going to do just test at 750 w

Also, short fuse lately. Crediting simple stress. Being conscious of it. Isn't is a little soon for impatience?

 

[richspc]

I think your doses are too high on everything. You basically have virgin receptors since you are 43 and havent done roids in yrs.Start out low doses, you can always up the amount in your next cycle. You need to know how your body is going to respond.Good Luck.

 

[todoveritas]

[/QUOTE]...I figured the first week was too soon for any sides. As far as the Deca, sounds like a good idea. Can I ad it to the 500 sust each week or should I just cut back?...Also, short fuse lately. Crediting simple stress. Being conscious of it. Isn't is a little soon for impatience?[/QUOTE]

You're getting some good advice on this thread. Start slow because you're going to have an exaggerated response to everything. Testosterone levels in men begin to decline in the late third or early fourth decade and diminish at a constant rate thereafter. I would bet your natural test levels are only 50% at the level of a 20-year old. Concomitant with the fall in total testosterone is a rise in SHBG levels. This means what test you are producing is even less effective. (Good call to battle this with Proviron). So in one week you've increased your test levels expotentially and in 3-4 weeks will start growing like mad. Maybe, too fast-you don't want stretch marks. However, with the sides you are experiencing, replace (not add) 200 mg of test with Deca. Your prostate will thank you for it and your sides will decrease.

 

[digimon7068]

I agree, for a first cycle, it may be wise to drop the dbol to 25 mg QD and I would also consider replacing some (not all) of the Test with a little Deca, say 200mg Q week (for us guys > 40, it's more prostate-safe than Test/Dbol and will add a little more esthetic look + will benefit your joints).

Throw away the test and replace it with deca?? What about the sex sides for us guys over 40?? Sounds like a recipe for limp-dick to me.

Assuming that your diet will be good (protien at 200+ mg per day, moderate fat, low carbs, lots of green veggies, lots of water, etc), you will be doing some cardio with every workout, you keep your workouts intense and you have good PCT supplies in place, I think that you'll be REAL happy with the results of the cycle that you are suggesting.

However, you might want to start the diet and cardio portion for a couple of months prior to adding the juice to your regimen. Get the body fat down a little. . .kind of hard this time of year but, I'd do it anyway.

 

[todoveritas]

Throw away the test and replace it with deca?? What about the sex sides for us guys over 40?? Sounds like a recipe for limp-dick to me.

I totally agree with the concern. However, consider the following: DD is rarely seen at doses under 400 mg per week. Therefore should not be a problem at such a low dose (200mg IM Q WK). He would still be taking 300mg of test + proviron. The proviron will bind up the sex-globulin thus increasing the net effectiveness of the test. Net effectiveness would be approximately equal to that of 500mg of test (if taken alone without proviron). That's plenty for a first cycle. IMHO.

 

[kbrkbr]

If you value your hair, I would drop the proviron altogether. Don't really need it.

Also I would drop the dbol for var. No hair loss, no crippling pumps.Good quality gains.

 

[dullboy]

Hey Guys:

I am 43M, 155lbs at 19% bf. ....

????

how tall are you? 4' 8" ??

 

[dullboy]

dullboy was just messing with you.

if you were really 19% bf @ 153 lbs you'd be a little fat guy.

i bet your bf is much lower than that.

 

[digimon7068]

I totally agree with the concern. However, consider the following: DD is rarely seen at doses under 400 mg per week. Therefore should not be a problem at such a low dose (200mg IM Q WK). He would still be taking 300mg of test + proviron. The proviron will bind up the sex-globulin thus increasing the net effectiveness of the test. Net effectiveness would be approximately equal to that of 500mg of test (if taken alone without proviron). That's plenty for a first cycle. IMHO.

Makes sense to me. . .

 

[BigCracker]

I think your doses are too high on everything. You basically have virgin receptors since you are 43 and havent done roids in yrs.Start out low doses, you can always up the amount in your next cycle. You need to know how your body is going to respond.Good Luck.

I agree. Plus you can always bump up the doses mid cycle if you're not experiencing negative sides. Also, if you're not eating/sleeping enough, you're really going to be comprimising your gains. Personally I wouldn't use roids if I couldn't avg a solid 8 hrs a night and a minimum of 1-1.5 grams of protien per lb of bodyweight daily. Working out 1-2 hrs daily is easy-but balancing your day to day life(work, time w/ wife and kids, etc) with proper nutrition and recovery takes some serious work.

 

[trinidad]

Hey bro, welcome. Being in the 40 crowd myself, I say stick to a test only cycle @ 500 mgs. per wk. Our natural test levels have dropped and the boost is much welcomed. I'd run the proviron throughout and like Steve the Bluesman said, try starting off with 25 mgs of dbol and see how your body reacts. You can always up it from there. YES take the saw palmetto & milk thistle.
As far as the weight scales go that you stand on, they send a current through your body that measures your total body fat, not just the fat on the outside of your muscles like the gym body fat calipers. You have fat that insulates your intestines, etc.