Oestrogen and Progesterone levels

[treilin]

So I have been doing some research and was wanting to get your all opinion, and maybe help one of you if you are having similar issues with hormones.

Last year after I upped my protein intake I noticed I had increased acne, irregular periods, and was VERY irritable. This week my protein has upped and I am seeing the irritability starting to return. I also have been having irregular periods for the past year and had Progesterone, Testosterone, Prolactin, Free T4, TSH-3rd Generation, Insulin, Cholesterol, and my Coronary Heart Disease Profile levels checked. All my results returned normal or desirable accept two tests which my doctor didn't even talk with me about. I had my paperwork printed out and sent to me so I could do my own research. I discovered my Prolactin was a bit low (deals with the thyroid), and my Progesterone was at a level of Post-menopausal women.
So Why I'm linking all of this above together...
I decided to research Chicken and Beef that are injected with hormones and discovered that Oestrogen is the main hormone that is used to make the meet all plump and add more meat on the animal without having to increase the food given to them. So in the end more money for ranchers, with out having to necessarily spend more money.
So I researched Oestrogen. Found this very length article written in 1996 but was worth the read for me:
http://www.whale.to/m/sellman1.html
Mind you I have been on a clean diet, supplements, with weights and cardio of course, and working with my trainer who is pretty knowledgeable unlike most that I have worked with (Shadow you don't fall in that bad category just wanted to clear that one up), and we both were at a loss of why:
1)I was retaining water, 2) Why it appeared I had hypothyroidism, 3) Why was I irritable, 4)Why the increase in acne, 5) Why the fat gain mostly around the midsection and upper legs area, 6) irritability, 7) Foggy head, 8) Memory loss, 9) PMS, 10) Previously Ovarion Fibroids, 11) Decreased sex drive, and the list goes on.
The article above that I attached discusses high levels of Oestrogen. Which is not only created by the body, but if you take Birth control pills are synthetically created in the pill along with synthetic Progesterone, and then you have meat that you take in, and other environmental factors all raising the Oestrogen levels.
Then I read about Progesterone creams:
http://www.mercola.com/article/progesterone/cream.htm
You can buy them over the counter but the article above states which effects come with applying the cream since it is stored in the fat and then over time the levels increase and the body has to much.

So this is what I am concluding to do:
1) Buy meat from Whole Foods, or Trader Joe's that contains no hormones
and begin to eat this starating over the next 2 weeks.
2) I made a doctor's appointment with a new doctor which I couldn't get in
until March 15th. I am going to suggest having the Progesterone test
done like the following site recommeds:
http://www.webmd.com/hw/healthy_women/hw42146.asp
Note: My last doctor (University of Michigan Specialist in OBGYN care)
took one reading and didn't do 3 like the test suggests to do to note the
increase/decrease in levels throught the 28 day cycle.
3) Also, See what she thinks about doing the salivary tests the one doctor
does in the link above and have her work with my own adrenals to get
them functioning properly.
4) Suggest getting a estrogen only pill like the first article states, and ween
myself off of the synthetic hormones in my birth control pill.
Note - It dicusses that synthetic estrogen is like any other drug that the
body becomes accustom to having and it only wants more. So it states
the body can take up to 6 months to regulate itself off of it.

Does anyone have any suggestions????? Have you read any information on this topic? Or are you experiencing anything like it? Or does this not interest you? I just found it interesting about the increase in Oestrogen and the defficiency of progesterone and how it relates to the body and yet doctors don't know how to handle it.
Again as this site has always suggested do your own research because in the end it's your own body and you are the only one watching out for yourself no matter how specialized you think someone is in a particular field!!

 

[musclemom]

I have a major problem with the steroids and antibiotics and antiparacitics that are fed to commercial animals. For me it's skin outbreaks, mood swings, loss of libido and major, major insomnia (conventional chicken are fed minute amounts of arsenic to kill parasites, can you believe that?)

For my husband and I the solution was to go as organic as possible, or at least find meat/eggs/dairy that the animals were raised without steroids. Pricier, by a lot, but we NEVER eat out, and we don't buy ANY preprocessed foods (at all), so it balances out, really. Coleman beef is safe, Bell & Evans and also Eberly poultry, there's several companies that sell organic eggs, quite a few dairys no longer use RGBH, oh, and by law buffalo cannot be given steroids or antibiotics, so buffalo meat is safe.

 

[treilin]

I have a major problem with the steroids and antibiotics and antiparacitics that are fed to commercial animals. For me it's skin outbreaks, mood swings, loss of libido and major, major insomnia (conventional chicken are fed minute amounts of arsenic to kill parasites, can you believe that?)

For my husband and I the solution was to go as organic as possible, or at least find meat/eggs/dairy that the animals were raised without steroids. Pricier, by a lot, but we NEVER eat out, and we don't buy ANY preprocessed foods (at all), so it balances out, really. Coleman beef is safe, Bell & Evans and also Eberly poultry, there's several companies that sell organic eggs, quite a few dairys no longer use RGBH, oh, and by law buffalo cannot be given steroids or antibiotics, so buffalo meat is safe.

Thanks for the meat manufacturers. I'll look into those. Glad to see one out of 23 views of this post responded!

 

[wlmcrae]

Hi Treilin,

This has been a concern for my husband and myself starting a 'bodybuilder's diet', as we were primarily vegetarian for the reasons you have mentioned. We still stay away from beef as much as possible and do not drink milk.

You may find the book Diet for a Poisoned Planet an interesting read. Good information and also good 'get rid of the stuff once it's got you' info.

Soy has been mentioned on the board as a no-no, but it can act as an antagonist to the artificial estrogens (it is a phyto-estrogen and a little friendlier to the body).

I've also looked into the natural progestrone trans-dermal cream. Very interesting stuff!

Good luck on your ongoing quest!

 

[*Bunny*]

2) I made a doctor's appointment with a new doctor which I couldn't get in
until March 15th. I am going to suggest having the Progesterone test
done like the following site recommeds:
http://www.webmd.com/hw/healthy_women/hw42146.asp
Note: My last doctor (University of Michigan Specialist in OBGYN care)
took one reading and didn't do 3 like the test suggests to do to note the
increase/decrease in levels throught the 28 day cycle.

That is very interesting T. Thanks for the post... my only suggestion was that you need to have more than one test for comparison purposes.

On a completely different level, but same i.e. testing panels, high Protein threw off my #'s and my doc freaked... but anything that is 'off' a little throws up a red flag (you know why). Eventually everything leveled out for me in my case, but not nearly as much as you got going on.

There are some great posts on here back in the day when MS posted often re: Estrogen, I remember reading but I cannot specifically give you anymore feedback until I re-read the post. I asked a few others to come read what you posted and give their opinion ... May be able to shed light on something I'm hoping

Oh, confirm you haven't added any fatburners yet.

 

[*Bunny*]

Mind you I have been on a clean diet, supplements, with weights and cardio of course, and working with my trainer who is pretty knowledgeable unlike most that I have worked with (Shadow you don't fall in that bad category just wanted to clear that one up), and we both were at a loss of why:
1)I was retaining water (Check) , 2) Why it appeared I had hypothyroidism(Appeared Normal, Doc never Said anything) , 3) Why was I irritable,(Check) 4)Why the increase in acne, (Check) 5) Why the fat gain mostly around the midsection and upper legs area, (Check and CHECK) 6) irritability,(Checkity) 7) Foggy head,(Check) 8) Memory loss(Check ) , 9) PMS(Check!) , 10) Previously Ovarion Fibroids(Not that I know of) , 11) Decreased sex drive,(Given for me LOL) and the list goes on.

^^ Oh and FYI Similiar Symptoms I have experience through out my training

 

[treilin]

^^ Oh and FYI Similiar Symptoms I have experience through out my training

Thanks Buns, No I am not on any fat burners I have been 'clean' so to speak since July of last year.
wlmcrae thanks for the book info I'll look into it. I also read the thing about soybeans and it being an antagonist also.

 

[musclemom]

Treilin, just re-read your post. You'll have no problem eating clean shopping in Whole Foods, that's where I shop.

Yeah, synthentic BCP, poison, shit, garbage.

If you haven't already, check out Dr. John Lee's book, "What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause," Synthetic hormones are just horrible.

I'm not so sure about saturating the tissues with progesterone cream ... I've used it off and on, when I felt that the benefits decreased I stopped using it and keep some on hand and may use it once in a while when I've feeling out of sorts ...

Another thing you may want to look into:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...103-4920889-2224649?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

The book is "Detoxify or Die" by Dr. Sherry Rogers, an environmental physician. Basically our body only has a very few routes of dealing with toxins, when we've clogged those routes, or they're maxed out, the toxins gets "bundled" into fat, and that fat gets shunted away from organs, away from the core, away from the circulatory system (read, gut, butt, thighs). Burning that fat releases those toxins, and releasing those toxins will make us VERY sick ...

EVERYONE is toxic to one degree or another, practically every toxin you've ever come into contact with since the day you drew your own breath is still in your body, and that was proven through independent CDC studies.

There's a detox cocktail you can take, it's a couple of amino acids and some natural vitamin c, that helps give your body the tools to pull the toxins out, she recommends far infrared saunas, I think the vitamins alone help quite a bit ... if you want to pursue this further let me know

 

[treilin]

Treilin, just re-read your post. You'll have no problem eating clean shopping in Whole Foods, that's where I shop.

Yeah, synthentic BCP, poison, shit, garbage.

If you haven't already, check out Dr. John Lee's book, "What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause," Synthetic hormones are just horrible.

I'm not so sure about saturating the tissues with progesterone cream ... I've used it off and on, when I felt that the benefits decreased I stopped using it and keep some on hand and may use it once in a while when I've feeling out of sorts ...

Another thing you may want to look into:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...103-4920889-2224649?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

The book is "Detoxify or Die" by Dr. Sherry Rogers, an environmental physician. Basically our body only has a very few routes of dealing with toxins, when we've clogged those routes, or they're maxed out, the toxins gets "bundled" into fat, and that fat gets shunted away from organs, away from the core, away from the circulatory system (read, gut, butt, thighs). Burning that fat releases those toxins, and releasing those toxins will make us VERY sick ...

EVERYONE is toxic to one degree or another, practically every toxin you've ever come into contact with since the day you drew your own breath is still in your body, and that was proven through independent CDC studies.

There's a detox cocktail you can take, it's a couple of amino acids and some natural vitamin c, that helps give your body the tools to pull the toxins out, she recommends far infrared saunas, I think the vitamins alone help quite a bit ... if you want to pursue this further let me know

THANKS for the info, I just printed out the copies of the books, and will try and swing by the book store and pick those up soon.
I know about toxin build-up because of the exposure to the topic in MAssage school. I do believe I don't drink nearly as much water as I should. I know the lymph system does not have a circulation method and that massage helps to push it around and get the toxins moving through the system. That's why we always tell people to drink lots of water to clean them out ofthe system. I can't tell you how many clients get sick from not following that advice. They think "Eh whatever." It's true if you get a knot in the muscle the toxins buildup around it, Calcium ions are also released and the build up and gelling of muscles together occur. People laugh when I tell them their muscles are glued together but it's true. Getting your heart rate up and moving around helps the lymph to move to a degree, massage is the main circulation component, of course lots of water, and a clean diet. So your books that you recommend are interesting to me.
I have done detox diets in the past. I actually did a caffeine, and sugar one last month before I started this year. I had splitting headaches for 3 days.
It's definitely a renewed sense of feeling better. I was feeling lethargic, and just clogged in the head.

 

[musclemom]

THANKS for the info, I just printed out the copies of the books, and will try and swing by the book store and pick those up soon..

I wasn't able to get it in a book store, not even a university store, I got my copies (I was giving it as christmas presents) off Amazon.

I know about toxin build-up because of the exposure to the topic in MAssage school. I do believe I don't drink nearly as much water as I should. I know the lymph system does not have a circulation method and that massage helps to push it around and get the toxins moving through the system. .

You're one step ahead of most people, I say toxin overload to a lot of folks and they think I'm crazy. But this goes beyond what our built in systems are capable of handing: Basically this goes down to the cellular level and it's a little bit of organic chemistry (I may not get this entirely correct but it's explained very clearly in Dr. Rogers' book). The main way our body deals with chemical toxins PCBs, dioxins, plastics, pesticides, hydrocarbons, petrochemical, etc., etc., basically the chemical soup that we ingest, breath or absorb every day of our lives, is by attaching molecules of those chemicals to molecules of glutathoine, and shuttling it out through our digestive tract. When you run low on glutathione (which I did) the system starts breaking down, and most of us do run low, especially if we've had some sort of excessive chemical exposure. We run out because we weren't designed to live in this crap. Anyway, when you run out of coping mechanisms you start gaining weight, feeling crappy, getting skin outbreaks where you never did before, and a host of other problems (in my case it was sleep disorders, digestive disorders, sudden onset food allergies and intestinal issues, generalized body aches, loss of libido, yadda, yadda, yadda). Basically, I started getting very old VERY fast. One of the first directions I turned, after greening up my home/lifestyle/eating habits, was hormonal issues because an awful lot of plastic and petrochemical exposure mimics hormones, called xenohormones (Dr. Lee goes into the estrogen excess many women deal with, but I think the xenohormone effect may also be a result of our body being incapable of detoxifying the out the chemicals).

Anyway, my problems started in 1998 ... it's only been the past 2 years that I REALLY turned the corner on feeling better. Not that I wasn't trying, all along, but when you have to work all the way down to the molecular level it takes some getting down to

I have a "system" that has taken me years to streamline to the minimum, consists of five nutritional supplements (granted, I'm counting fish oil, garlic, coQ10, and my multivitamin in this group) and two nutritional food supplements I take on a daily basis, five amino acids I take every other day, plus specific things I need to limit myself to with regards to food and lifestyle. It took me forever to figure this out, I've gone up a lot of blind alleys. Everytime I'd think I "HAD IT" I'd be better for a little while, then right back to square one in a month or so ...

I've never done lymphatic massage but I do body brushing, especially in conjunction with FIR sauna, wonderful combination.

It's a complicated issue, it's hard to explain. I know the material, I live the material, but explaining it in a linear fashion is tough ...

The books worth it, I'll shut up now