Obamacare rates shocker.

[billfred]

If access to opiates becomes easier and more available, will addiction rates increase?


I'm not saying access will become easier, or that addiction rates will increase. I don't know and won't assume one way or the other (I'm too lazy to care right now). It's just a question thrown out there to gather opinions.

if more people use it, addiction rates will increase. that is just statistics.

would open access increase the people using it? My guess is yes.

 

[Headholio]

Wasn't an argument. Thought I made that clear, and that's the whole reason I wrote what I did after I asked the question. I really don't give a fuck one way or the other. Addicts will be addicts and they will find a way to get their drugs. My question was one that I was wondering...not that I already have an answer to. That if access were somehow easier, because drug seekers who go to the ER for drugs could now obtain them through a PCP, and that somehow made obtaining them easier for them, would we start to see more people doing this who were not given those drugs at the ER (they don't always give the drugs)?

It was just a random thought. I don't have an answer and it probably isn't even a well thought out or phrased question. But I could possible see an argument being made by someone who actually did give a fuck (not me).

You said you were gathering opinions, so I gave you mine

 

[Headholio]

I'm pretty sure everyone inn this country has access to healthcare.

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A common misconception.

The mother of a friend of mine died of stomach cancer with no insurance. She would go into the emergency room in severe pain and all they would do is juice her up with morphine and pain pills and send her home.

Doc's wanted something like 15k cash as a down payment before they would do the surgery she needed. This poor guy would come to work crying and begging people for donations to help his mother.

His family would sit in the living room and listen to her moan in pain in the bedroom and could do nothing to help her.

It was a horrifying situation, and sure as shit changed my views on the healthcare situation in this greatest country on earth.

 

[Mr. dB]

Well you certainly aren't man enough to admit you're wrong. There's no point in even asking you.

I guess you don't remember what a gung-ho GOP fanboy he was ten years ago.

 

[75th]

I guess you don't remember what a gung-ho GOP fanboy he was ten years ago.

Google "reality."

Plunkey isnt familiar with the concept. This is well established.

 

[jnevin]

A common misconception.

The mother of a friend of mine died of stomach cancer with no insurance. She would go into the emergency room in severe pain and all they would do is juice her up with morphine and pain pills and send her home.

Doc's wanted something like 15k cash as a down payment before they would do the surgery she needed. This poor guy would come to work crying and begging people for donations to help his mother.

His family would sit in the living room and listen to her moan in pain in the bedroom and could do nothing to help her.

It was a horrifying situation, and sure as shit changed my views on the healthcare situation in this greatest country on earth.

That does suck, but she was treated. You think surgery would have cured stomach cancer? Doubtful.

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[bigbassturd]

Solution to that problem: buy fucking insurance just like every other responsible asshole who wants to be treated when they get sick.

 

[Headholio]

That does suck, but she was treated. You think surgery would have cured stomach cancer? Doubtful.

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What?

The point is that people with insurance get the operations they need, and without insurance they don't.

People think that if you don't have insurance you can still get what you need and the government picks up the tab. That's wrong.

She died because she didn't have insurance. The same person with insurance would have lived, or at least would have had their lives prolonged, their quality of life improved, and could have died with dignity, not rolling around in pain in their bed with no help, like an animal.

There are a lot of arguments about healthcare, but minimizing the problem of uninsured people is one of the most bogus.

 

[ceo]

well, I know if an uninsured person comes into the ER/trauma with, say a GSW to the abdomen that requires surgery, they will get that surgery.

Was there no way the woman could have gotten Medicaid, et.al. assistance?

 

[jnevin]

What?

The point is that people with insurance get the operations they need, and without insurance they don't.

People think that if you don't have insurance you can still get what you need and the government picks up the tab. That's wrong.

She died because she didn't have insurance. The same person with insurance would have lived, or at least would have had their lives prolonged, their quality of life improved, and could have died with dignity, not rolling around in pain in their bed with no help, like an animal.

There are a lot of arguments about healthcare, but minimizing the problem of uninsured people is one of the most bogus.

Sorry dude, but stomach cancer isn't usually one that people walk away from. Only difference between people with good insurance and her was the doc and hospital didn't make as much as they would have and she would have had a longer time to know she was going to die. My great grandmother died of that and there was no expense spared to keep her alive.