Obamacare rates shocker.

[75th]

Inb4 nothing but anecdotes of employers moving people to part time to avoid paying insurance costs.

 

[chewyxrage]

They don't indicate in that article what the price covers do they? Single person only, family and kids, etc.?

If that is for a single person, that is quite expensive compared to what most competitive employers offer.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that everyone should have healthcare. How much will it cost the Fed/Citizens to make it happen?

 

[75th]

If that is for a single person, that is quite expensive compared to what most competitive employers offer.

It is indeed...but thats a whole other conversation. You would think that business owners would support a single payer option (as it would remove the extremely costly insurance benefits from their end).

The article states that those prices were for a 40 y/o male in average health. Compared to what an individual health plan for a non-smoker would cost even with a high-ish deductible ($3k-4,500) thats not a bad deal. That's not even getting into the fact that pre-existing conditions no longer can disqualify you or price you out of the market.

Of course, this wasnt meant to address those with access to group health insurance through their employer.

 

[redsamurai]

Plunkey is furious right now.

and pacing, don't forget pacing.

 

[redsamurai]

Inb4 nothing but anecdotes of employers moving people to part time to avoid paying insurance costs.

and inb4 non relevant comments about monkeys and stock pickers etc, etc.

 

[mrplunkey]

Thread bookmarked.

 

[bigpokey]

bout to go down in this muthafuck actual talk

 

[ceo]

The whole reason they are going to the ER is because they CANNOT pay the bill and probably don't have insurance. The idea is to get these folks covered so that they can get regularly scheduled checkups. Much better (and cheaper) then waiting until an emergency and then needing to be ambulanced to the ER

Many of the people that do not have insurance don't just wait until there's an emergency to go to the ER...the ER is their Primary Care/Urgent Care. They come to the ER with sniffles and a cough, etc. They clog up ERs with non emergent situations, and generally are the biggest complainers there.

 

[shirlene29]

Many of the people that do not have insurance don't just wait until there's an emergency to go to the ER...the ER is their Primary Care/Urgent Care. They come to the ER with sniffles and a cough, etc. They clog up ERs with non emergent situations, and generally are the biggest complainers there.

This^^^^ and they slow down the treatment of real emergencies. Some of these people are absolutely over the top. They'll call an ambulance for a cold. I've personally sat in the emergency room bleeding all over the waiting area with two rather large ankle slashes that really needed stitches but I got so frustrated after sitting there for three hrs I went home and super glued and steri stripped em. I suppose I could have done that to begin with but is was frankly a lot of blood and I wasn't sure if anything important had been cut.

Most major hospitals have responded by having PAs and NPs running prompt care (non emergent care)within the emergency room. Both are giant black holes where money disappears.

Also on the other side of the coin; transportation to healthcare is a really big problem for those those in rural areas or those that are elderly, truly poverty stricken and infirm.
Access to grants, medicare/medicaid etc is not very transparent. If you don't have insurance, because you don't have a pre-negotiated billing scale the bills for care can be absolutely astronomical. I've seen bills well over ten grand for a broken finger (that was set incorrectly to boot).


I've said it before and I'll say it again...the system we have now is terrible, but better than it was in say..the fifties (pulling that out of my ass)where you could be turned away if you couldn't pay your bill. I have no idea what the ultimate solution really is.

 

[gjohnson5]

Many of the people that do not have insurance don't just wait until there's an emergency to go to the ER...the ER is their Primary Care/Urgent Care. They come to the ER with sniffles and a cough, etc. They clog up ERs with non emergent situations, and generally are the biggest complainers there.

And often times this is a stereotype. There are people who have died because emergency room staff took their conditions in the same light you did and they ended up dying in the emergency room