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Probably a good time to discredit an extremely overrated and overpriced drug.

Anyone think they primo has something to offer over other drugs a twentieth its price such as EQ?
 
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Not going to comment as ive never used it. What doses have you ran bro....you saying its real weak?
 
I've never ran Primo, but some of my clients have while I was helping them. From my experience I will stick with EQ. I never saw anything magical happen with them over what would have been achieved with EQ. Some people love Primo and I would try it out if it weren't so expensive, but I'm not going to waste my money just for the hell of it. Primo is very weak. For women figure competitors it is the perfect AAS, but for men it's too weak IMO.
 
VERY OVERATED!!!! Ran it at 600mg wk for 12wks with 50mg var. Got very hard and vascular, but could have achieved the same results by using eq, or hell even a low dose of test with armidex.
 
It is not weak , it can be really powerfull if used correctly and with higher amounts . the main advantage over EQ is that it doesn´t CONVERT to estrogen at ANY dose , while EQ if you go really high , you will probably get gyno and water retention .

Primo only disadvantage is the price .

I still prefer EQ though , EQ at 400 mg week will not give me gyno or water retention and will yeld basically the same results as primo 500 mg / week , but considering that EQ is way cheaper I choose EQ .

But for someone considering running 800 mg + EQ , I would use 800 mg primo instead if I could afford .


Victor
 
Primo is probably the best AS out there. Gram for gram it's not the most potent, but being side-free and effective makes it an amazing product. I wouldn't discredit it for one second.
 
btw...if you guys want to discredit something, go for the people pushing TBOL only cycles to newbies, WTF!
 
I'm with Mr. X on this one. I would also add that if I had the money, I would choose Primo over any AAS out there every time. Never need ancillaries while on, and PCT is a breeze. I would not discredit Primo or consider it overrated......I have had nothing but great results.

If you are looking to be a huge, puffy behemoth because you lack confidence, then yes, Primo is certainly not your choice.
 
Interesting thread, next run I want to stick w/low aromitizing compounds but am always sensitive to the wallet. I ran EQ last time around but was w/Test...maybe I need to try it solo

Was thinking of a Primo/Tbol (sorry X) w/strict diet...then again Tren/Test is much more affordable-

Nmd
 
i dont doubt that primo has its place in a bodybuilder's arsenal, but when it gets beaten and drilled into our posts you better believe im going to get rowdy. that why i said fuck primo in my last post...im tired of it being railroaded into the forums.

AMEN
 
Mr.X said:
btw...if you guys want to discredit something, go for the people pushing TBOL only cycles to newbies, WTF!
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lmao!!
that was funny
 
Personally never tried it, from what I gather you are basically paying for a near gurantee of no side effects, which if I had the $$ it would be good to never worry about gyno acne etc again.....
 
I doubt many pros use primo. No one likes pumping 10ml's a week of shit on top of everything else into their muscles. Not to mention the outrageous price.

If you run the proper ancillaries you can do better without primo and better with some AAS with some balls.
 
Mr.X said:
Primo is probably the best AS out there. Gram for gram it's not the most potent, but being side-free and effective makes it an amazing product. I wouldn't discredit it for one second.
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AMEN ! I love the stuff, nothing finer in my opinion, side free cycles rock.
 
UA_Iron said:
I doubt many pros use primo. No one likes pumping 10ml's a week of shit on top of everything else into their muscles. Not to mention the outrageous price.

If you run the proper ancillaries you can do better without primo and better with some AAS with some balls.
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Sounds like speculation, I speak from experience, not only mine, but pro's as well............
 
indy69camaro said:
Sounds like speculation, I speak from experience, not only mine, but pro's as well............
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you're the man with the cash. I'd have definitely used a lot if I could afford it too.

I'm not saying that some pros dont use it - I am just saying its doubtful many do cause of the price/availability/shitloadinjectionvolume.
 
UA_Iron said:
you're the man with the cash. I'd have definitely used a lot if I could afford it too.

I'm not saying that some pros dont use it - I am just saying its doubtful many do cause of the price/availability/shitloadinjectionvolume.
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I wont disagree it's a lot to inject, that's for sure, but results are fantastic when used at higher volumes, to me the higher volumes are much more of a downside than the price. I say that cause side free cycles are worth alot to me.
 
indy69camaro said:
I wont disagree it's a lot to inject, that's for sure, but results are fantastic when used at higher volumes, to me the higher volumes are much more of a downside than the price. I say that cause side free cycles are worth alot to me.
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I respect that.

Some UG's have it at 200mg/ml - thats the way I would go. No one has tested them yet though.
 
mr camero if you think that having your hair sclaped like a cherokee indian being side free im sorry but your horridly mistaken... its like saying DNP isnt side free... for some it doesnt do shit but other's it KILLS....same with primo... if you want a sure ticket to baldness,acne,pizza oily face then by all means priimo is the ticket.

side free cycle of primo is pure LOL

sure your BP may not skyrocket or your kidney and liver wont shut down but it will hurt ya in some forom or another..
 
UA_Iron said:
Probably a good time to discredit an extremely overrated and overpriced drug.

Anyone think they primo has something to offer over other drugs a twentieth its price such as EQ?
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I like Primo but high doses are needed to be effective IMO.
 
I have done primo and eq and I did both at 400mg I had a problem with eq broke out with a rash all over my body tried 2 kinds QV and GTP both with the same results. I love primo costly but in my opinion worth it. Love to do 800mg of primo and 50mg of var. Also I will only do human grade injectables so that leaves out eq.
 
Mr.X said:
Primo is probably the best AS out there. Gram for gram it's not the most potent, but being side-free and effective makes it an amazing product. I wouldn't discredit it for one second.
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i am probly wrong but from what i here its the only aas that will work on a low callery diet.so it must be the best out there for ripping .
 
jokerswild said:
Personally never tried it, from what I gather you are basically paying for a near gurantee of no side effects, which if I had the $$ it would be good to never worry about gyno acne etc again.....
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actually, acne and baldness are possible with primo.

i am a very big fan of primo. even at the high price, nothing does exactly what primo does. eq may be close, and i have ran both so i know what i'm talking about. i would take primo over it every fucking time as far as the results and the body transformation go.
primo is the shit, but unfortunately i am very prone to acne and all DHT based gear breaks me out: winny/proviron/primo...

but primo at 400mg/week was an incredible cycle for me.
 
racoon_city said:
mr camero if you think that having your hair sclaped like a cherokee indian being side free im sorry but your horridly mistaken... its like saying DNP isnt side free... for some it doesnt do shit but other's it KILLS....same with primo... if you want a sure ticket to baldness,acne,pizza oily face then by all means priimo is the ticket.

side free cycle of primo is pure LOL

sure your BP may not skyrocket or your kidney and liver wont shut down but it will hurt ya in some forom or another..
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Ok, I'll say this, COMPARABLY speaking, it's side free. You act like I'm speaking out my ass, I've used it for years, never lost a hair, never got a zit, but it makes me hard as a rock, vascular, and lean. Not really a debate, it works for me, I love it. Sorry you cant accept that.
 
wayneboard1 said:
the mans body ain't even cold yet. Oh well...typical.
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well fyi there are others who feel differently about his "dissapearance"
 
Excellent drug!

No water retention, does not disturb testicular function, does not aromatize, the gains you make you'll keep if you trained hard on the drug and when you come off. You want lots of water weight gain, load up the test. You want solid gains without side effects, use Primobolan. Maybe that isn't what you want, but that doesn't make Primo a bad drug.
 
UA_Iron said:
Probably a good time to discredit an extremely overrated and overpriced drug.

Anyone think they primo has something to offer over other drugs a twentieth its price such as EQ?
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I love primo..great drug. Its only expensive if you don't buy it from the right source :) and the only category that primo beats eq in my opinion is that I can sleep on primo, but not on Eq. I also have less bloat on primo enth. 200 than on eq 500. I gained 10 pounds on 200 a week primo in 5 weeks, took me 12 weeks to gain 15 on eq at 500..

but , don't get me wrong, i am still a loyale fan to eq..luv the stuff..but just not as much as primo :)
 
I have never used primo. Having said that....if you guys conceed that high doses are needed lets take a look at some things.

If 1g+ of primo = 400mg eq
Then i dont buy the fact that there are no sides to primo. Maybe the sides are much less at the same doses as other drugs as it is not a powerfull drug. However the levels needed to achieve results like 1g+ are sure IMO to exhibit some sides.

Again ive never used it only speaking from common sense. If there are " NO SIDES" then fuck yes i would say its a great drug. I would like to see some proof about No sides to believe it however.

K to anyone who can show me.
 
why even bother? It's expensive, weak and doesnt do much for strength. even the powder is outrageously pricey.. and I recall someone looking like they needed a hairclub consultation after running a healthy dose of it so side free - not even close.
 
I wish the guy well if he did not do anything bad to people and truly got into trouble.
 
I'm a test guy so primo is not my thing. I can accomplish just about anything I want physique wise with test only cycles as long as I get bloodtests and keep up with my ancillaries. I just manipulate my quanity, diet, cardio volume and intensity, weight training volume and intensity. But, and it's a big but, I have to keep close tabs on my BP, HR, prostate and cholesterol.

Nothing I know of comes without sides. I eat to damn much steak and my cholesterol goes up, I eat any salt added to my food or don't watch the salt content of packaged foods and my BP skyrockets. Too much test, my bp goes up and my prostate will enlarge. Too much test and not enough anti-e's and dick is not dependable. I'm sure primo has sides at certain dosages but I'm betting from what I'm told by some that are smarter than me that, in reasonable dosages primo has minimal sides. I don't have the experience to back that statement up personally but I have the experience of trusted training partners that leads me to believe that much of the low sides hype of primo is true. Until I have first hand knowledge to the contrary I'm believing those guys I trust and see almost everyday.
Guys I know that like primo like it because they claim sides like high bp and such are much easier to control at moderate doses of primo than they are at the same doses of test and they are willing to sacrifice size for health. These guys are 35 to 50, healthy and look solid because they are able to do a few cycles a year that are not very toxic or long term. I see their results all year long and they are undeniable, solid, strong for their size, cut up pretty good and lean (a bit too lean for me). For them it's a compromise. They want to be on several times a year because they can't achieve their look naturally. So, they do a moderate dose primo/var cycle a couple times a year and they get a compromise look and they sleep at night when it comes to their health. They also claim not to have any dick dysfunction. Now I don't know if I believe all of them and I really don't care. But why would they lie to me?

Everything fits a purpose and when one of my bros says I'm goin on primo/var cycle I might be thinking bitch cycle but I'm saying go for it bro. I like to keep my friends and don't want my next sentence to come out of my mouth while I'm on my back.

When I was 25 I wanted to be 5"8" and 235lbs with 10% BF. If I couldn't push the weight or gain the size I wanted to back then I'm the kind of guy who would push the test to 1000mg/wk deca to 800 mg/wk started the anadrol at 75 mg/day and by wk 3 I'd be at 100mg/day. That's if I could get all that and ancillaries were a necessary evil that I never got enough of. I'm twice that age now and I've gotten smarter about dosage and I'm realistic about goals. A solid 5'7" (I shrunk an inch) 195-200 lbs dry and solid is doable and I stay reasonably healthier. I determine my BF by using a mirror.
To each his own I do my thing and some of my bros do a different thing it happens to involve primo and they justify the cost with better health and fewer sides. I believe there health is generally better than mine as we will occasionally compare numbers. My health is pretty damn good but it could be better. But I'm a test freak. Test gets me feeling much younger than my years. It's the balls to be older and almost as strong as I was when I was 35 and just as confident and cocky as I was when I was 25.

Just my longwinded .02. BTW I see plenty of guys, of all ages, at the gym who don't juice who could make some hair transplant surgeon a rich man.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
I have never used primo. Having said that....if you guys conceed that high doses are needed lets take a look at some things.

If 1g+ of primo = 400mg eq
Then i dont buy the fact that there are no sides to primo. Maybe the sides are much less at the same doses as other drugs as it is not a powerfull drug. However the levels needed to achieve results like 1g+ are sure IMO to exhibit some sides.

Again ive never used it only speaking from common sense. If there are " NO SIDES" then fuck yes i would say its a great drug. I would like to see some proof about No sides to believe it however.

K to anyone who can show me.
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I like this thread, so I was looking to reply to someone else directly. Like you I don't use primo and I'm not really interested in it as I've spent lots of time figuring out what works for me. Also, like you I don't buy the no sides with primo arguement. I believe that in elevated doses that primo users will experience sides.

But, as I said in my other post on this thread I believe primo users are more cautious than others and I don't think they do high doses that would bring on sides. At least that's been my experience with the primo users I know. Now, I don't personally know hundreds of primo users nor do I care to (I would be uncomfortable knowing 100 guys that were cycling anything because they would probably know I was on at times and that would be way too much first hand info on me too close to home, hey I'm uncomfortable posting on these boards). I probably know less than 10 primo users and they are very cautious guys that are into their health to the extreme but still want any push they can get within their comfort zone, mentally and physically to achieve above average results in the gym. But, they give up the size and strength that guys like me crave. What they get is decent keepable gains without major health compromises because although I'm sure primo works I don't think it is very strong though I doubt it is as weak as primo disdainers want to believe. I could have primo users wrong but I think I'm on the right track and certainly not putting them down for their choices and I'm certainly not insinuating you are. I'd also like to see some facts about primo and its users as I would like to see if my theory about them is even close.

Here's Duchaine's quote about primo in USHB II, Primobolan, "Too weak too expensive. European women use it so much because oxandrolone is hard to get" While I always thought DD was a pioneer and very dedicated in a strange way. I didn't buy everything he said not even close. But, I bet that one statement did a lot to create a negative myth around primo. He also listed it in his safest cycle for men at a dosage of 200mg/wk. Shit last time I cycled with anadrol in the mix I did that in 4 days (anadrol not primo) and I was being conservative. Guys I know are doing primo at around 600mg/wk and usually adding var for strength giving the intensity to maximize gains. Just my look into the mind of the primo user.

Stay safe and secure
 
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g mac said:
I see plenty of guys, of all ages, at the gym who don't juice who could make some hair transplant surgeon a rich man.
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Great point, never quite understood this one. Nearly every guy in my office is bald or more appropriately noticeably balding, whether in their 20's, 30's or 40's, and I know none of those doughnut and super size fry eating lards are juicing. Odds are juice or no juice, you are going bald if you were born with a penis........much better than the odds of Primo causing you problems, IMO.

indy69camaro said:
I've used it for years, never lost a hair, never got a zit
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Ditto. Now, I haven't used it for "years", but in 3 stints, not a side to be found, and I have never looked the same for a longer period of time after any other type of cycle than I did when using Primo.

Let me preface my last comment with, I know of the boogieman, but don't know him personally, nor have I had any dealings with him. Nonethless, I will never bash an AAS product or give negative feedback just because I don't like another bro that pushes it. Seems contradictory to the purpose/objectives of the EF board.
 
The so called "primo pusher" (you guys can be rough but I understand why to a point) posted one time about a very close friend's mother having a stroke and how the results left her very disabled. He seemed to be pretty shaken up about it. I don't know him personally but his concern seemed genuine.

Prior to this incident the friend's mother had, I read a post mentioning test use and concerns about high BP, leading cause of strokes and other sides (you can get a stroke at a very young age if your BP is left to rise unchecked for a decent period of time especially if you are training heavy). After the incident the praises of primo really began to be sung. And as you can see by this thread there are many primo true believers. While I don't believe all the hype I do believe from conversations with primo users that there was some basis in truth about low sides. Was the primo push a marketing tool for "some" maybe. But I don't think that it was a scam to push something that didn't work as it had been around for years with a safe record and because it had a following of users who believed in it. Could someone make more money on it? Obviously yes. But we have the choice to use what we please and if we don't buy the hype we don't have to buy the product.

What I mentioned earlier about the woman's stroke and how one guy reacted to that by looking at a less toxic substance I take that as probably the truth about how he felt. I take it on face value because I read thousands of posts of his he seemed to be straight up. As far as posts related to business the only ones I saw were posted by members and any 5 yr old could read between the lines and that's BullShit because we should be making it harder for the other side and we seem to make it easier for them on the business end and as users to fuck up our lives.

So, if you're posting in this thread and you're referring to so and so the primo pusher or where is he or any other sarcastic remark about that situation your not contributing to a good thread. You have a personal issue and it obviously ain't getting resolved in this thread. Guys like us shouldn't be infighting we should be sticking together. Believe me I'm not trying to flame anyone and I'm sure guys have very legit reasons for asking questions and I'm a believer in free speech even on these boards within the established rules. I've asked questions all around about certain guys and I've been everywhere and can't get answers. So, I'll wait for answers to come to me. If they come they do if they don't they don't. What we do here is not legit so we take chances with time and resources and sometimes it works out negatively but I've always admired the general attitude of the people on these boards who choose to do something that improves them and harms noone (except the stupid and the ignorant) and truly understands the risks involved and just doesn't throw caution to the wind. I feel like I'm lecturing and I apologize for that as I'm no better than anyone else.

Stay safe and secure
 
g mac said:
Here's Duchaine's quote about primo in USHB II, Primobolan, "Too weak too expensive. European women use it so much because oxandrolone is hard to get" While I always thought DD was a pioneer and very dedicated in a strange way. I didn't buy everything he said not even close. But, I bet that one statement did a lot to create a negative myth around primo. He also listed it in his safest cycle for men at a dosage of 200mg/wk. Shit last time I cycled with anadrol in the mix I did that in 4 days (anadrol not primo) and I was being conservative. Guys I know are doing primo at around 600mg/wk and usually adding var for strength giving the intensity to maximize gains. Just my look into the mind of the primo user.

Stay safe and secure
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There was no internet back then, not quite the demand, a lot of government regulation (height of USA gov't crackdown), when DD wrote UGSHII, so 200mg/week was about all someone could locate, if at all! Look at Bill Phillips' ("Body for Life") Anabolic Reference Guide from 1989-90 and there were a lot more pics of fakes (some glaringly obvious fakes) than there were pics of legitimate pharmaceuticals. I had to personally travel to Amsterdam to be able to find anything real and to find a selection (other than Anadrol). D-bol was discontinued back then in USA and not being made a lot anywhere in the world. Var was not generic and was discontinued and even when available was only 2.5mg/tab! There were no Mexican vet labs although there were Mexican human grade, many also fakes. There were no large scale UG labs, though that time was probably the incubator for a lot of the ideas of setting up a large UG operation on foreign soil somewhere and probably a few decided to major in chemistry and later made their fortunes (I'm simply guessing.) Times have changed A LOT since then. There is a cornucopia of steroids available at the moment. Some online sources make for one-stop shopping. So, you have to put what DD said into a historical context.
 
I agree with Duchaine GRHS. Primo is a waste of time but more importantly money. 5 years ago it was the joke of this board. Long before the t-Bol rage there was a primo rage here. As soon as newbies heard there was a "side free" AS that was in tabs or injectable they were blowing $2000 a cycle. And then 8 weeks later coming back all disenchanted because steroids didn't make them big. E2 and Ranger stomped on it. And for a few years it seemed as though that fire was exstinguished. But all it takes is one guy selling and a couple mods and members to talk it up and there it is burning out of control again. With more than a third of primo users losing vast amounts of hair for very little gains and usually nothing more than a more cut look it's a good thing it's promoters have subsided in my opinion.
But to argue the other side...
This board is not what it was 5 years ago. The vast majority of those here are not looking to get big. They just want to look good at the club or beach. Except for a select few there are no body builders on this board anymore. So maybe Primo has come home to where it belongs now.
 
Ulter said:
I agree with Duchaine GRHS. Primo is a waste of time but more importantly money. 5 years ago it was the joke of this board. Long before the t-Bol rage there was a primo rage here. As soon as newbies heard there was a "side free" AS that was in tabs or injectable they were blowing $2000 a cycle. And then 8 weeks later coming back all disenchanted because steroids didn't make them big. E2 and Ranger stomped on it. And for a few years it seemed as though that fire was exstinguished. But all it takes is one guy selling and a couple mods and members to talk it up and there it is burning out of control again. With more than a third of primo users losing vast amounts of hair for very little gains and usually nothing more than a more cut look it's a good thing it's promoters have subsided in my opinion.
But to argue the other side...
This board is not what it was 5 years ago. The vast majority of those here are not looking to get big. They just want to look good at the club or beach. Except for a select few there are no body builders on this board anymore. So maybe Primo has come home to where it belongs now.
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Well that's all very true but a lot of us were afraid to take the guy on because the mods had his back and it wasn't worth the risk of getting banned. Myself and Needsize PM'd back and forth a few times about how blatant the self-promotion and hawking of one's own product really was. Just because a guy has a lot of Primo he touts primo primo primo, and 1000mg/week. Buy LOTS OF IT and look no further than me! :verygood: Then it's human grade, human grade, human grade, until he gets a load of GTP UG and then GTP is the bomb even if its not human grade but rather no grade (underground). Then it's IGF-1. It's refreshing to hear your words but why did it go on for so long unchecked? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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There was no internet back then, not quite the demand, a lot of government regulation (height of USA gov't crackdown), when DD wrote UGSHII, so 200mg/week was about all someone could locate, if at all! Look at Bill Phillips' ("Body for Life") Anabolic Reference Guide from 1989-90 and there were a lot more pics of fakes (some glaringly obvious fakes) than there were pics of legitimate pharmaceuticals. I had to personally travel to Amsterdam to be able to find anything real and to find a selection (other than Anadrol). D-bol was discontinued back then in USA and not being made a lot anywhere in the world. Var was not generic and was discontinued and even when available was only 2.5mg/tab! There were no Mexican vet labs although there were Mexican human grade, many also fakes. There were no large scale UG labs, though that time was probably the incubator for a lot of the ideas of setting up a large UG operation on foreign soil somewhere and probably a few decided to major in chemistry and later made their fortunes (I'm simply guessing.) Times have changed A LOT since then. There is a cornucopia of steroids available at the moment. Some online sources make for one-stop shopping. So, you have to put what DD said into a historical context.
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Your right about historical context of what he said but in the late 80's and early to mid 90's guys I new were still using him as there reference source for info and I was wondering if that statement could have made it around steroid circles over the years and became part of steroid "fact" handed down by guys who never had better reference sources then DD. He was one of a kind, I thought he was great but somewhat insane. You just reminded me that I have that Anabolic Reference Guide buried under my bed with about 100 old PL USA magazines. I used to get those brand name Anavar 2.5mg tabs from a friend at a local drug distributor for gratis when they went out of date and they were going to through them out that was around '85. Thanks for waking a brain cell or two.
 
Insane? This was his original idea for Yohimburn.

Captopril
Yohimbine
Clenbuterol
Ephedrine
Aminophylline cream (or substitute with T3)

Crunch it all up and mix with DMSO. Then apply it to the area you want to get rid of.

Add an aromatese inhibitor, more T3 throughout the day along with Masteron.


Later he suggested that would be better to just inject a soluable Yohimbine HCL solution into the fat every 20 minutes before, during and after cardio.
 
Ulter said:
Insane? This was his original idea for Yohimburn.

Captopril
Yohimbine
Clenbuterol
Ephedrine
Aminophylline cream (or substitute with T3)

Crunch it all up and mix with DMSO. Then apply it to the area you want to get rid of.

Add an aromatese inhibitor, more T3 throughout the day along with Masteron.


Later he suggested that would be better to just inject a soluable Yohimbine HCL solution into the fat every 20 minutes before, during and after cardio.
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That's what I mean lol. mad scientist.
 
BBkingpin said:
Well that's all very true but a lot of us were afraid to take the guy on because the mods had his back and it wasn't worth the risk of getting banned. Myself and Needsize PM'd back and forth a few times about how blatant the self-promotion and hawking of one's own product really was. Just because a guy has a lot of Primo he touts primo primo primo, and 1000mg/week. Buy LOTS OF IT and look no further than me! :verygood: Then it's human grade, human grade, human grade, until he gets a load of GTP UG and then GTP is the bomb even if its not human grade but rather no grade (underground). Then it's IGF-1. It's refreshing to hear your words but why did it go on for so long unchecked? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Well said & I think lots of people on this board were tired of it-this board has educated me as much as any resource out but any time you have sponsors/etc. & the almight $$$ comes into play you can't be too naive
 
Well that's all very true but a lot of us were afraid to take the guy on because the mods had his back and it wasn't worth the risk of getting banned. Myself and Needsize PM'd back and forth a few times about how blatant the self-promotion and hawking of one's own product really was. Just because a guy has a lot of Primo he touts primo primo primo, and 1000mg/week. Buy LOTS OF IT and look no further than me! Then it's human grade, human grade, human grade, until he gets a load of GTP UG and then GTP is the bomb even if its not human grade but rather no grade (underground). Then it's IGF-1. It's refreshing to hear your words but why did it go on for so long unchecked? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I called him up on a bunch of stuff including the IGF and Primo, but when he realizes that he cant argue back ,he just doesnt answer back. i feel bad for the guy for all his troubles but lets be real he wasnt the best influence on the board.
 
I didn't know him personally but he seemed like a genuinely nice guy. He emailed me numerous times when I asked him for help with a lot of newb questions. His posts always seemed sincere and he was always there to help out with anyone's questions or problems. Was he also promoting himself at the same time? Of course he was. He was in a business to make money and he was good at it from what it seemed. I seriously doubt that there are many others like him out there that were as dedicated to taking time to help others as well as pushing their products. You can argue that helping others also helped build his business and it would be hard to disagree with you on that point. For those who disagreed with him, I could see where it was frustrating to take him on. He had a lot of friends on the board and some of it was political. I for one believe he took pride in what he did and believed every word he typed. Whether you agreed with him or not, its hard to fault a guy for preaching what he believed in. At least that is my humble opinion.
 
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I didn't know him personally but he seemed like a genuinely nice guy. He emailed me numerous times when I asked him for help with a lot of newb questions. His posts always seemed sincere and he was always there to help out with anyone's questions or problems. Was he also promoting himself at the same time? Of course he was. He was in a business to make money and he was good at it from what it seemed. I seriously doubt that there are many others like him out there that were as dedicated to taking time to help others as well as pushing their products. You can argue that helping others also helped build his business and it would be hard to disagree with you on that point. I for one believe he took pride in what he did and believed every word he typed. Whether you agreed with him or not, its hard to fault a guy for preaching what he believed in. At least that is my humble opinion.
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I dont disagree. but i still think that a lot of his info was biased and driven from his desire to make money as opposed to just helping the person genuinly. for example if you asked him whats better gh or igf, he would right away say igf, why coz he benefited of that.
 
LT3 said:
I dont disagree. but i still think that a lot of his info was biased and driven from his desire to make money as opposed to just helping the person genuinly. for example if you asked him whats better gh or igf, he would right away say igf, why coz he benefited of that.
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Didn't he also benefit from answering gh? I guess if his answer was always igf and never gh without taking into consideration the person's goals and stats then you have a very valid point. By the way, I have never tried igf but was thinking about it. What do you think would be better for a 40 year old that was trying to remain as lean as possible. I'm 5-10 180 and about 8% bf. I wouldn't mind getting down to 5-6%. Right now I have a prescription for gh at 1.8 iu's per day (.6mg genotropin). What do you think adding igf to the mix would do for me?
 
g mac said:
I've always admired the general attitude of the people on these boards who choose to do something that improves them and harms no one [SIC] and truly understands the risks involved and just doesn't throw caution to the wind.
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Amen brother.


I hope this thread does not get out of control. :LockMe!:
 
I agree, he seemed to be a genuine guy. I got sick of the blatant primo pushing and as far as I am concerned he did help a lot of people out on the board.

zips92 said:
Nonethless, I will never bash an AAS product or give negative feedback just because I don't like another bro that pushes it. Seems contradictory to the purpose/objectives of the EF board.
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Well whats worse: hyping a product to sell it-special interest conflicts or calling him out on it?
 
UA_Iron said:
I agree, he seemed to be a genuine guy. I got sick of the blatant primo pushing and as far as I am concerned he did help a lot of people out on the board.



Well whats worse: hyping a product to sell it-special interest conflicts or calling him out on it?
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Hyping a product that you don't believe in to sell it is hypocrytical and wrong. Calling someone out on it is a good move in my book. I think the disagreement lies in everyone's personal opinion of primo and the boogieman's motives and sincerity. I for one think he believed in his favorite product and I can't fault him for expressing his views and beliefs. I also like primo but probably wouldn't be a fan if my goals were to get huge like a lot of the guys on this site. I agree it is a weak product compared to most. It works well for me.
I don't think anyone was wrong for calling him out on his views. A good debate is always welcomed in these threads. It is always in everyone's best interest to get as much information as possible about anything they want to put into their body. Getting as many opinions as possible helps me make decisions on what I might want to try. It is amazing what I have learned from my short time on this board. The scary part is the more I learn, the more I realize that I still don't know shit compared to most of you guys.
 
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Didn't he also benefit from answering gh? I guess if his answer was always igf and never gh without taking into consideration the person's goals and stats then you have a very valid point. By the way, I have never tried igf but was thinking about it. What do you think would be better for a 40 year old that was trying to remain as lean as possible. I'm 5-10 180 and about 8% bf. I wouldn't mind getting down to 5-6%. Right now I have a prescription for gh at 1.8 iu's per day (.6mg genotropin). What do you think adding igf to the mix would do for me?
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all depends on the dosage bro. 40mcgs a day will maybe give you some nice pumps and 4 lbs gain. but 200mgcs a day is bound to give you some nice results. if its fat loss that you want, i suggest you up the gh dosage and forget about the igf. IMO if you dont run igf at high doses, its not worth the price. i also feel the same way about primo and gh to a further extent. another thing that keeps me from using igf (especially igf and gh stacked) is the fear of cancer.
 
LT3 said:
all depends on the dosage bro. 40mcgs a day will maybe give you some nice pumps and 4 lbs gain. but 200mgcs a day is bound to give you some nice results. if its fat loss that you want, i suggest you up the gh dosage and forget about the igf. IMO if you dont run igf at high doses, its not worth the price. i also feel the same way about primo and gh to a further extent. another thing that keeps me from using igf (especially igf and gh stacked) is the fear of cancer.
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Has anybody lost hair using primo?
 
Ulter's right.. most new people coming to this site are looking for a beachbody quick fix, they would be horrified at the idea of having to train and eat seriously.. bulking up 50lbs for a year or more, 8 meals a day, actually and having to lift heavy weights on basic exercises.

No way dawg, get some Primo, work those crossovers and then flaunt that 6-pack on spring break... These are the people making primo pushers rich and quite frankly they deserve to have their money taken.
 
Ulter's right.. most new people coming to this site are looking for a beachbody quick fix, they would be horrified at the idea of having to train and eat seriously.. bulking up 50lbs for a year or more, 8 meals a day, actually and having to lift heavy weights on basic exercises.

No way dawg, get some Primo, work those crossovers and then flaunt that 6-pack on spring break... These are the people making primo pushers rich and quite frankly they deserve to have their money taken.
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i agree with some of the points. i dont think they should get ripped off, but its annoying and disrespectfull for people to come here and try to find a quick fix when you have bros that train and diet like their lives depended on it. IMO there are 2 predominant reasons why primo was so pupular here. A) The abundance of guys wanting a beachbody and to look like brad pitt. B) The availability of primo and the fact that this drug fit the profile of a "safe Side free" drug with these guys. so in other words : Demand ---- Answer. Satch knew this and capitalized on the popular demand.
 
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B) The availability of primo and the fact that this drug fit the profile of a "safe Side free" drug with these guys. so in other words : Demand ---- Answer. Satch knew this and capitalized on the popular demand.
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very well said
 
On primo with no sides at all and nice lean vasuclar gains at low doses.. where are you ocming from trying to discredit one of the cleanest best products out there? Did you maybe get some fake?

ALSO i have gained approx 15lbs in 4-5 weeks on it. So it's working, may be some muscle memory as well but it's working. No sides, no acne from it (did get some from winny which i cut off and it went away) no oil, no testicular issues, no bloat, nothing.. and i can sleep
 
So what did happen to satch, I am not around much

I dont want to shit on someone thats not here anymore, but I dont have much use for primo myself. I am currently using it as a bridge as I couldnt get decent var, but thats the only thing I would use it for. Not worth the cost. And my situation is different than most people on here like ulter said, I dont want a beach body, I like to think I am far beyond that(currently a pretty lean 230lbs at 5'8"), and only the strongest drugs are capable of pushing my body to new sizes.
So I dont really want to spend that much cash, but even if I did, I dont think my body would budge on more than a gram of primo. I like deca, dbol, anadrol, the bad boys...

And to the guy that made the comment about the "keepable" gains, I hate reading that shit. First, people need to recognize, gains are gains, it doesnt matter one little bit what drug built them, they are just as keepable. But many count the water they gain as "gains", then bitch about losing gains when they come off.....If you cant tell the difference, you really havent educated yourself enough to be juicing anyway
 
i think people refer to keepable gains.. based on they don't lose all of their wait when they come off.. mainly because alot of other things test etc give u water weight, i'm experiencing lean real muscle as most of my weight gain and am very vascular, so i expect with continued eating and lifiting at the same level i'll keep most if not all gains
 
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Hyping a product that you don't believe in to sell it is hypocrytical and wrong. QUOTE]

It was always my understanding that boogie simply ran a 16wk/1000mg cycle of primo with some provirion while cutting and was estatic about the results he saw. I mean, it's not like primo was the only thing available so he had to push just it in order to benifit. I think he believed in it tremendously for the purposes he stated and was just spreading the word due to his own personal success from the stuff. Hell, I go around doing the same thing when I get excited about the results I see from something, even though I have nothing to gain personally from doing so.
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alexmichael said:
Hyping a product that you don't believe in to sell it is hypocrytical and wrong. QUOTE]

It was always my understanding that boogie simply ran a 16wk/1000mg cycle of primo with some provirion while cutting and was estatic about the results he saw. I mean, it's not like primo was the only thing available so he had to push just it in order to benifit. I think he believed in it tremendously for the purposes he stated and was just spreading the word due to his own personal success from the stuff. Hell, I go around doing the same thing when I get excited about the results I see from something, even though I have nothing to gain personally from doing so.
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You sound naive. :rolleyes:
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You sound naive. :rolleyes:
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Why? Because I believe that the guy ran the stuff like he said, or I believe that he was happy about the results? He posted pics from before and after using, so why wouldn't I believe that the guy ran the cycle he said he did unless I had some info to believe he was just a flat out liar? Maybe you know something about him personally that I don't, or happen to know for a fact that he didn't run primo like he said to get those results, or that he was in fact dissapointed with his results from the stuff and just pretended to be happy for buisness's sake. If so, then I defer to someone with more knowledge on the situation than I have. You think I clambered to get primo after reading how much he liked it? You're wrong. I've never used the stuff, and probably never will. I was just simply stating that I don't think the guy was hyping a product that he didn't actually believe in, because his before/after pics and attitude about the results that he personally encountered would seem to suggest that the guy was actually a strong believer in the stuff.
 
I must say I am a bit dissapointed (not that any of you give a damm) but why crap on satch if it's primo you didn't like? So you don't like primo, who gives a flying f***. Some guys love it, other don't. Some guys love EQ, others hate it. He liked it and raved about it....AND? The guy ran into some trouble and without anyone offering up evidence, he is subtly being labeled a scammer. Thats not right man, in fact it's bulls***. If you have proof of this then provide it or STFU. Bash primo all you want, but satch was always a straight shooter with me, and to most of you as well so at least show the guy some respect. Damm MF'n vultures.
 
needsize said:
So what did happen to satch, I am not around much

I dont want to shit on someone thats not here anymore, but I dont have much use for primo myself. I am currently using it as a bridge as I couldnt get decent var, but thats the only thing I would use it for. Not worth the cost. And my situation is different than most people on here like ulter said, I dont want a beach body, I like to think I am far beyond that(currently a pretty lean 230lbs at 5'8"), and only the strongest drugs are capable of pushing my body to new sizes.
So I dont really want to spend that much cash, but even if I did, I dont think my body would budge on more than a gram of primo. I like deca, dbol, anadrol, the bad boys...

And to the guy that made the comment about the "keepable" gains, I hate reading that shit. First, people need to recognize, gains are gains, it doesnt matter one little bit what drug built them, they are just as keepable. But many count the water they gain as "gains", then bitch about losing gains when they come off.....If you cant tell the difference, you really havent educated yourself enough to be juicing anyway
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good post.
 
wayneboard1 said:
I must say I am a bit dissapointed (not that any of you give a damm) but why crap on satch if it's primo you didn't like? So you don't like primo, who gives a flying f***. Some guys love it, other don't. Some guys love EQ, others hate it. He liked it and raved about it....AND?.
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Exactly. Bro's are acting as if primo is the only thing he had and that he got on here telling everyone that it was all they should ever use and to never buy anything else. We all have our favorite compounds for whatever personal reasons/experiences and primo just simply seemed to be one of his. Reading this thread makes me feel like I'm standing there watching a group of people kick the shit out of a dead corpse that's laying on the ground. If the stuff makes yall that mad to hear about it, then screw it!!!......let's just all load up on the tank and go to Turkey and blow the god damn lab off the map!! lol :chomp:
 
racoon_city said:
mr camero if you think that having your hair sclaped like a cherokee indian being side free im sorry but your horridly mistaken... its like saying DNP isnt side free... for some it doesnt do shit but other's it KILLS....same with primo... if you want a sure ticket to baldness,acne,pizza oily face then by all means priimo is the ticket.

side free cycle of primo is pure LOL

sure your BP may not skyrocket or your kidney and liver wont shut down but it will hurt ya in some forom or another..
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???????????????? :rolleyes: Everyone is different.... Winstrol WRECKS ppl hairline b/c it's a DHT derivative - BUT only if those ppl are prone to MPB.
I don't think that ANY cycle is side effect free, but some are safer then others.... I would venture to guess that, that was the context of Indy's statements....
 
well no matter who pushes primo its still a shitty drug, unfortunatly it was a member of the board and to be frank EVERYONE is sick and tired of garbage being pushed here. why dont you get off his dick for 5 minutes and smell the coffee. if you can release that death grip that you guyes have around satch's dick i can promise you nobody will hurt you...
 
I don't wish the guy any harm but lets face facts about him; he self-promoted himself to expert status yet in reality was a beginner in the iron game (two different things: good at business vs. being an accomplished BB). That 1g primo run got only novice level results ... related to this his advice was at times very BAD advice while also being a BAD example of someone running TOO MUCH gear beyond their real level of athletic knowledge, experience, genetics, or aspirations. If you called him out on anything, he would threaten to gather his minions and BOMB you into oblivion. Luckily there were some veterans to lend a favor, to keep things real, but after going through that hassle one or more times it got to the point one just had to let things go unchecked. So you WAIT for what you know to be the unavoidable, SELF-DESTRUCTION.

As for primo I ran it before, with some other stuff in the day, liked it, and certainly did not need anything near 1g, to get my trophies, on a stage and not in some website photo shoot-out.

Well he was kind of famous so the guy deserves some celebrity kudos and not as as an ahole like fonz, I guess at least at this point innocent until proven guilty of greater sins. Gotta admire ones ability to steer the masses to drop their $$$ at ones feet, legit or not.
 
Triple J said:
I don't wish the guy any harm but lets face facts about him; he self-promoted himself to expert status yet in reality was a beginner in the iron game (two different things: good at business vs. being an accomplished BB). That 1g primo run got only novice level results ... related to this his advice was at times very BAD advice while also being a BAD example of someone running TOO MUCH gear beyond their real level of athletic knowledge, experience, genetics, or aspirations. If you called him out on anything, he would threaten to gather his minions and BOMB you into oblivion. Luckily there were some veterans to lend a favor, to keep things real, but after going through that hassle one or more times it got to the point one just had to let things go unchecked. So you WAIT for what you know to be the unavoidable, SELF-DESTRUCTION.

As for primo I ran it before, with some other stuff in the day, liked it, and certainly did not need anything near 1g, to get my trophies, on a stage and not in some website photo shoot-out.

Well he was kind of famous so the guy deserves some celebrity kudos and not as as an ahole like fonz, I guess at least at this point innocent until proven guilty of greater sins. Gotta admire ones ability to steer the masses to drop their $$$ at ones feet, legit or not.
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Agree with a lot of what you say, never had any dealings with the man but it did strike me as fooking idiotic to publish photos of yourself on the net in a country where roids are considered as bad as smack.....not smart at all.
 
Triple J said:
I don't wish the guy any harm but lets face facts about him; he self-promoted himself to expert status yet in reality was a beginner in the iron game (two different things: good at business vs. being an accomplished BB). That 1g primo run got only novice level results ... related to this his advice was at times very BAD advice while also being a BAD example of someone running TOO MUCH gear beyond their real level of athletic knowledge, experience, genetics, or aspirations. If you called him out on anything, he would threaten to gather his minions and BOMB you into oblivion. Luckily there were some veterans to lend a favor, to keep things real, but after going through that hassle one or more times it got to the point one just had to let things go unchecked. So you WAIT for what you know to be the unavoidable, SELF-DESTRUCTION.

As for primo I ran it before, with some other stuff in the day, liked it, and certainly did not need anything near 1g, to get my trophies, on a stage and not in some website photo shoot-out.

Well he was kind of famous so the guy deserves some celebrity kudos and not as as an ahole like fonz, I guess at least at this point innocent until proven guilty of greater sins. Gotta admire ones ability to steer the masses to drop their $$$ at ones feet, legit or not.
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give this man some K!!!!
 
wayneboard1 said:
I must say I am a bit dissapointed (not that any of you give a damm) but why crap on satch if it's primo you didn't like? So you don't like primo, who gives a flying f***. Some guys love it, other don't. Some guys love EQ, others hate it. He liked it and raved about it....AND? The guy ran into some trouble and without anyone offering up evidence, he is subtly being labeled a scammer. Thats not right man, in fact it's bulls***. If you have proof of this then provide it or STFU. Bash primo all you want, but satch was always a straight shooter with me, and to most of you as well so at least show the guy some respect. Damm MF'n vultures.
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Satch?? Is that you??

JJ
 
Ulter said:
I agree with Duchaine GRHS. Primo is a waste of time but more importantly money. 5 years ago it was the joke of this board. Long before the t-Bol rage there was a primo rage here. As soon as newbies heard there was a "side free" AS that was in tabs or injectable they were blowing $2000 a cycle. And then 8 weeks later coming back all disenchanted because steroids didn't make them big. E2 and Ranger stomped on it. And for a few years it seemed as though that fire was exstinguished. But all it takes is one guy selling and a couple mods and members to talk it up and there it is burning out of control again. With more than a third of primo users losing vast amounts of hair for very little gains and usually nothing more than a more cut look it's a good thing it's promoters have subsided in my opinion.
But to argue the other side...
This board is not what it was 5 years ago. The vast majority of those here are not looking to get big. They just want to look good at the club or beach. Except for a select few there are no body builders on this board anymore. So maybe Primo has come home to where it belongs now.
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bro what was Brad pitts cycle

?
 
wayneboard1 said:
I must say I am a bit dissapointed (not that any of you give a damm) but why crap on satch if it's primo you didn't like? So you don't like primo, who gives a flying f***. Some guys love it, other don't. Some guys love EQ, others hate it. He liked it and raved about it....AND? The guy ran into some trouble and without anyone offering up evidence, he is subtly being labeled a scammer. Thats not right man, in fact it's bulls***. If you have proof of this then provide it or STFU. Bash primo all you want, but satch was always a straight shooter with me, and to most of you as well so at least show the guy some respect. Damm MF'n vultures.
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I'd go along with that,,,,always seemed a cool guy to me, apart from when he bombed peeps for daft reasons, Hope he's ok.
 
racoon.. Why are you speaking for everyone? DID SOMEONE ELECT YOU SPOKEPERSON OR MAYOR? There are tons of people who here who love primo, take and use primo and are happy with it. I'm currently on it. Bottom line is everyone is different, and everyone reacts differently. You don't comne across as an expert so if your voicing your opinion like everyone has one, then say your view, don't sit here and say "everyone" it's not true. I've never seen someone get their panties in a bunch over a steroid like you. If you don't like it, or it doesn;t work for you then don't use it. But don't sit here preaching like you have a technical background are an expert, author or scientist, because you're obviously not. Thank you
 
well florida i dont like the blanket marketing that goes with the drug and its blatant. go back and reread my posts. ok tomorow im going to start promotimg deca and ram down everyone's throat, deca,deca,deca....im going to make it seem like life isnt worth living unless your running deca...now you see my point? or are you still enabling the bullshit that has been going on here!!???
 
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