not to offend anyone or anything, but.........

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

this post is in good intention, so dont take it thatttttt literal, or should you?????........

I, for the most part, think that the routines i see people listing here to be complete sissy x 1000000, when using aas we should pound the shit out of our bodies when in the gym and let them grow when we get home, but they arent gonna grow if we dont pound em in the gym, does anyone get that?

i.e. back training...... 4 exercises is simply not going to do it for a ronine colemanesch back......deads to start, a row, a pulldown, another row, another pulldown, and then seated row, now we are talking....

come on people, we are juiceheads, not pansies

do you think arnold got that big by doing 185lb deadlifts.....or 9 sets for chest?? hell no...

dorian used a 1 set to all out failure for each exercise, but he was 110% intense, and he even says that many people cant reach the level he was at, and after seeing blood and guts, i too can believe it, some of us stop 4 reps short of failure on the leg press, even though we "think" we cant do another, thats where the real man is, cause we can do that extra one, or extra 4, its in you guys, im telling you, and that is where the real size comes from, but it takes the ability to take the tampon out and not be a sissy...............



love, J/P

 

[DR. NOE]

Your dead right bro. Its amazing how many people complain about not gaining any size and yet they continue to do isolation exercises. Build the foundation first with the mass builders and push yourself to failure.

 

[BeachBombHottie]

Good post!

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

what i said is true aint it??


J/P

 

[NitroCBR]

Very true. Intensity and total concentration is an important aspect.

 

[Screwball]

Training...

If you can't "hammer" your back in 12 sets (4 exercises - 3 sets each) then your not working out with enough intensity. I don't care if you're "using" or not.

Another factor is that the more experience you have with lifting, the less actual volume you need to work a target muscle. I've been lifting for over 15 yrs. and I don't need nearly the volume that I once required. Dorian Yates could get away with 1 or 2 heavy work sets and make gains because he lifted for many years and became very efficient at activating muscle fiber. His central nervous system was very efficient at muscle fiber recruitment in order to move big weight. However, he was also genetically gifted.

- Screwball

 

[gymtime]

Re: Training...

If you can't "hammer" your back in 12 sets (4 exercises - 3 sets each) then your not working out with enough intensity. I don't care if you're "using" or not.

Another factor is that the more experience you have with lifting, the less actual volume you need to work a target muscle. I've been lifting for over 15 yrs. and I don't need nearly the volume that I once required. Dorian Yates could get away with 1 or 2 heavy work sets and make gains because he lifted for many years and became very efficient at activating muscle fiber. His central nervous system was very efficient at muscle fiber recruitment in order to move big weight. However, he was also genetically gifted.

- Screwball

Well said. I've been lifting for eight and a half years now and have found the same thing. Lower volume and higher intensity has served me many times better than years of high volume, ego lifting. I do 9-10 sets for chest, which has been described as "sissy." That's two presses and one fly excercise. Once I've done that, there's no way I could do a fourth excercise any justice. If I could, it means I slacked on one of the first three.

Someday you will learn (jp) that weight training is not about beating the shit out of yourself, saying "Arnold did this" and "Dorain did that", or otherwise feeding your ego.

 

[curling]

Gymtime I see where you are coming because when I do bis I am very intense and go as heavy as I can. I mean I make all kinds of funky faces getting those last two failure reps. Where sometimes I the weight just stays there I can move it up and eventually my bis give out and I let it hang.

But if I tried with chest with that same intensity I think I could injure my rotator cup especially on incline I mean it hurt when I go somewhat heavy much less crazy heavy. See what I am saying?

 

[Belial]

Not everybody here is a juicehead either.

And maybe some of those f*cking idiots who lose all their gains after a cycle because they train like they're still on juice, and are still barely 200 pounds of sodden, gyno ridden sh*t might do well to pay attention to lower volume, "sissy" routines.

I would dare any of the f*ckers here who call low volume 'sissy' to run through a workout with me. 10 sets total for ANY bodypart can make you want to puke.

Well said, gymtime.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Not everybody here is a juicehead either.

And maybe some of those f*cking idiots who lose all their gains after a cycle because they train like they're still on juice, and are still barely 200 pounds of sodden, gyno ridden sh*t might do well to pay attention to lower volume, "sissy" routines.

I would dare any of the f*ckers here who call low volume 'sissy' to run through a workout with me. 10 sets total for ANY bodypart can make you want to puke.

Well said, gymtime.

Dude. You can swear here. One of the few good things about Elite

Fuck. <-see no stars

 

[Blood&Iron]

Belial-

What got you all riled up, anyway? Doesn't seem to be your typical style. Just curious. Or is this an imposter?

 

[Screwball]

Overtraining...

Cut your volume in half. Up the amount of weight you use. Vary your rep schemes. Vary your exercises from workout to workout. Train with as much intensity as you can muster. Don't train for more than 60-75 minutes tops. Don't train a muscle again until it has fully recovered. Make sure you get enough food, sleep and restful down-time. This isn't rocket science. A basic, common sense approach to training will result in the best opportunity for you to maximize your gains (lean muscle mass and strength). Good luck!

One final thought:

The point in training is to stimulate growth. Once you have achieved this point in a training session (arbitrary I know) then any training beyond this point will cut into your ability to recover and grow. Thus, it is counter-productive to pound your body further than the point at which you have stimulated adaptation. The longer you train, the more familiar you become with how your body responds and reacts. You become better at determining the point at which you know that you've achieved this adaptive response. Hit the gym hard until you've stimulated growth and then get the hell out and grow!

 

[Belial]

Belial-

What got you all riled up, anyway? Doesn't seem to be your typical style. Just curious. Or is this an imposter?

lol. Sorry, had a good night last night so I'm feeling a little full of myself. Something about high test levels.

Still, it's somewhat irritating when I see posts like that. A decent point was made, but it still shows tremendous ignorance, and makes too many assumptions.




fuck.

Cool!

 

[gymtime]

......Sorry, had a good night last night so I'm feeling a little full of myself........

Oh yes. DRASTICALLY out of character.

 

[Belial]

Oh yes. DRASTICALLY out of character.

Watch it old man. I'll break your cane again. Then you're screwed.

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

Re: Training...

If you can't "hammer" your back in 12 sets (4 exercises - 3 sets each) then your not working out with enough intensity. I don't care if you're "using" or not.

Another factor is that the more experience you have with lifting, the less actual volume you need to work a target muscle. I've been lifting for over 15 yrs. and I don't need nearly the volume that I once required. Dorian Yates could get away with 1 or 2 heavy work sets and make gains because he lifted for many years and became very efficient at activating muscle fiber. His central nervous system was very efficient at muscle fiber recruitment in order to move big weight. However, he was also genetically gifted.

- Screwball

i was aimed at the younger aged people out there, not the older....so if u took it that way, dont......
like i said, and most agree, when u are young i.e. 20's, u can get away with alot, so why not take advantage of it all? lift till you die, go nuts, sure, when u are an old geezer, then lift responsably and accordingly, not when u are in ur weight lifting prime.....
this post is true, dorian did have sick ass genetics, and when u are older u do less, so like i said, dont take it to the older generations, it was meant for the 20 year old juicer that lifts like a pansy and used everything in the book juice wise and wont grow and wonders why, lack of intensity and a pair of balls, lifting isnt easy, all the dedication it takes i wouldnt wish on anyone else, it takes balls to work hard, in anything in life, and i know u argree to that......
screwball, good response

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

Re: Overtraining...

Cut your volume in half. Up the amount of weight you use. Vary your rep schemes. Vary your exercises from workout to workout. Train with as much intensity as you can muster. Don't train for more than 60-75 minutes tops. Don't train a muscle again until it has fully recovered. Make sure you get enough food, sleep and restful down-time. This isn't rocket science. A basic, common sense approach to training will result in the best opportunity for you to maximize your gains (lean muscle mass and strength). Good luck!

One final thought:

The point in training is to stimulate growth. Once you have achieved this point in a training session (arbitrary I know) then any training beyond this point will cut into your ability to recover and grow. Thus, it is counter-productive to pound your body further than the point at which you have stimulated adaptation. The longer you train, the more familiar you become with how your body responds and reacts. You become better at determining the point at which you know that you've achieved this adaptive response. Hit the gym hard until you've stimulated growth and then get the hell out and grow!

perfect!!!

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

Not everybody here is a juicehead either.

And maybe some of those f*cking idiots who lose all their gains after a cycle because they train like they're still on juice, and are still barely 200 pounds of sodden, gyno ridden sh*t might do well to pay attention to lower volume, "sissy" routines.

I would dare any of the f*ckers here who call low volume 'sissy' to run through a workout with me. 10 sets total for ANY bodypart can make you want to puke.

Well said, gymtime.

u are taking this out of context, ease on the test guy, not everyone hear is a juicehead?? that is a fair assumption for me to make that everyone is, hence the name and game of this board is about aas, isnt it?? i think it is.. i wasnt attracted to this board out of training routine desires....i would say a large ass majority are or were a steroid using lifter of some sort, or even athlete...

and yes, post steroid use routines do have to incorperate those low volume high intensity to keep gains, i wasnt talking about that though, so dont argue that point cause its moot, im talking about when people are "on" and they lift like sissys, i would run through a workout with you anyday... ive been through harder things than a 45 minute workout with a grandpa

 

[gymtime]

Watch it old man. I'll break your cane again. Then you're screwed.

Touch my cane again and I'll....I'll.......I'll call my nurse!! Yeah, that's it. She's as big as a Mack truck and twice as mean. You don't want none of Nurse Diesel my friend.

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

J/P

 

[Super Halo Man]

Bro, I definitely hear that...

I go to the gym, blast away... 4 exercises at most per body part with 3-4 sets each. After that, they are done and they grow. Yummy.

 

[b fold the truth]

Very little direct back training here...yet it still grows.

B True

 

[Super Halo Man]

I love working back. Always has been one of my favorites...