Not doing a PCT?

[nb01741]

iSteroids did you not see the post above you?

I think Mekat is 100% right, I'd be curious to see them run a real PCT and see how they like it

 

[stevesmi]

he obviously ran the clomid/nolva pct.. felt like shit.. quit on the gym during that time.

so to him having a longer recovery and then jumping back on the juice and re-inflating is in fact better than a shitty PCT>

you should tel him that a modern PCT that includes hcg, HMG as a kickstart, and then a very low dose clomid with DAA, and natty supps that are available will keep him feeling GOOD during pct, so he doesn't have to fear it anymore.

its like someone scared to go to the dentist so they let their teeth fall out and now they no longer have teeth that will hurt anymore.. makes sense if you look at it that way too.. or you can man up and go to the dentist a couple times a year and keep your existing teeth and gums healthy.

 

[stevesmi]

So by that logic, they're sayin that having no test is better than having normal test levels?? lol

I think i know where those guys are coming from tho... See their prolly the type of ppl still stuck in the 80's PCT of HIGH doses of Clomid and Nolvadex, both those SERMs have certain qualities that make u feel like shit, hence why around here the best PCT will have a very low dose of Clomid (ie. 25mg - 12.5mg) and absolutely no nolvadex.

So the not so knowledgeable dudes at ur gym, would rather take nothing during PCT coz they dont know of anything better to take, and the only PCT they know of (ie. Clomid + Nolva) make them feel like shit

i wrote the same thing before reading the thread and what you said is exactly my theory as well.

i would rather take nothing then take nolva/clomid as well.. been there and done that.

these guys need to try a modern PCT

 

[Nelson Montana]

its so fucking stupid that i can't even comment... seriously...

Agreed, it's a moot point -- like someone saying , I know this guy who's a professional race care driver and he says you should always drive as fast as possible and not bother checking your brakes. It's just idiocy.

 

[Nelson Montana]

no pct = very very bad, please reconsider, consider nolva and clo

Clomid-Clomiphene Citrate - iSteroids.com
Nolvadex-Tamoxifen Citrate - iSteroids.com

But dude, neither of those drugs help in recovery and often make people feel worse. Nolva is an anti breast cancer medication. It was used in the 80's to prevent gyno. I can;t believe any knowledgable person actually believes it helpful for restoring HPTA.

 

[stevesmi]

also you don't have to run PCT's to be a pro bodybuilder. you just have to stay on all the time or come off for a couple weeks (which isn't even coming off cause you still have plenty of esters in your body).. this is what they are doing and it 'works'.

unfortunately for them reality will hit if they ever decide to stop taking hormones and their nuts turn into permanent raisins

but they probably will just end up on HRT at 28 years old anyway so whatever.. its their body

 

[RickRock13]

A properly planned PCT can only help you, and certainly can't hurt you. Not doing a PCT is just asking for a whole lot of trouble