nor andro question

[winkman]

ive used twinlab's nor andro tabs doing 400-600 mg a day for a month~ i got bascially no results~ i know most people think that prohormones suck anyway~ but i was just wondering if ne one got ne results from using it~i just ordered a 6 week cycle of 800 mg capsul with 400 mg of norandrostenedione and 400 mg of norandrostendiol~ do you think that would be mnore beneficial?

 

[ryker77]

Cancel your order. Its a waste of money...

 

[winkman]

you think so? what would u suggest using besides A.S. ~ive used creatine and got good gains from it~ but i never relaly cycled off it and i think my body has gotten use to high doses of creatine and has stopped responding to it

 

[Ash]

PH's are a waste of money.
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"Names Ash....Housewares"

 

[winkman]

i dunno i heard the results u get are greatly effected by diet~ similar to steroids~ if someone has a horrible diet they wont get gains and then you will hear from them that steroids suck~ i dont really wanna get into steroids because of the "neverending cycle"~ so i figured that prohormones would be the next best legal thing~so far im not convinced

 

[Allnatural104]

Its funny alot of people say they dont work , but im using them and they seem to work fine for me......
Gear works alot better, but right now i cant seem to get my hands on any so ph's will have to do for now....

 

[winkman]

hey allnatural~ what prohormones are u using and can you please tell what gains u have made~ thanx

 

[Allnatural104]

Im using only 200mg. of 19-NORANDROSTENEDIONE by Kaizen.I also take 3-4 shakes of prolabs whey protein and 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil a day.I started about 3 weeks ago and weighed in at 215lbs.with 12%bf. (im 5'8").Now im about 218lbs. but my fat has gone way down which is what i was shooting for...As far as strenght goes, ive gotten alittle stronger on certian exercises but nothing to brag about....
My gains havent been huge , but they are very noticable.I know its not just my diet cause i havent changed a thing in my diet for the past 3 months....
If you have anymore questions just email me bro.....

 

[winkman]

anyone else's input would be much appreciated

 

[GREY WTR]

19 Nor PH

Winkman: Don't know about Twinlabs 19 Nor, but have used several brands including Prolab 19 nor-diol, w/great success. Of all the ProHormones the 19 Nor are really the best. Why? Real simple all the Andro PH convert to Test and give a surge of Test, then are off the scene within hours. 19 Nor-diol,and 19 nor-dione & Nor 4 AD all convert to Nor-Test, which is Nandrolone. I'm sure you've heard of that. Deca in your body is Nandrolone. 19 Nor once converted in your body is Nandrolone. Once converted it stays in your blood stream for days and possibly longer. Very anabolic w/o all the androgenic side effects.
Now the question, is what you've been taking being converted. Oral caps get hit hard by the digestive process, maybe 50% gets converted, so you take 200mg/day, 100mg B4 workout 100mg at bedtime with your ZMA(what?your not taking ZMA) w/o enough Zinc the body can't convert the 19nor. What was converted yesterday, gets added to what converts today and so on.
There are now oral cyclo dextrin which soaks in under your tongue, MedLean makes a liquid which soaks into the skin, others make these also. But you've got to eat, train, etc. You will know they are working when you can blast a body part hard and the next day feel full, and not sore.

 

[punch]

The whole issue of whether PH work or not is so misleading you cant take anybodys comments to heart. One thing I do know is that most of those who bash this supplement are guys who have used AS in the past. If you have used AS and then try Pro Hormones you are definately NOT going to see the same results, so, of course, to these guys the product sucks. So let me tell you about my experience with these supplements.

About 1 year ago I began taking Prolab's Androbolic which has 19 Nor-4, 4-Androstene-3,17diol,
5-Androstene-3,17diol, tribulus and chrysin. For the 1st month to 2 months I took the recommended dosage to acclamate my body. Then I started taking double dosages for a month, stopped for a week than went back on for 2 weeks.

My results: Although my strength improved slightly, my bodyfat went down substantially. I went from a 32 inch waist to a 30 inch waist and got more vascular than I have ever been before. My skin was very tight and my endurance went up as well.

The bad side was, I felt pretty crapy. My stomach was upset a lot and my temper got bad, real bad. I had no gyno and my apetite went through the roof which was good, but I couldnt gain weight.

The products do work but it seems only if you go way over the what the companies suggest for dosages. Since then I purchased Med Lean ointment which I apply topically to the inner thighs and kaizen 4-androstene-3,17 diol sublingual( under the tongue) tablets which I take an hour before working out. This is my first week trying this, so, who knows. Even AS users will agree that supplements, whether creatine, andro or deca work differently on different people. The only way to find out if something works is to experiment. I dont know how long I will try these different products, but I have decided a long time ago not to do AS. All my buddies many of which compete say it is more addicting than any drug, especially when you start seeing great results, your hooked. That scares me!!!

 

[winkman]

hey thanks a lot for ur information guys~ its been helpful~ hey grey wtr~ would u be able to post ur results that youve gotten of them

 

[Par Deus]

Re: 19 Nor PH

Deca in your body is Nandrolone. 19 Nor once converted in your body is Nandrolone. Once converted it stays in your blood stream for days and possibly longer. Very anabolic w/o all the androgenic side effects.
Now the question, is what you've been taking being converted. Oral caps get hit hard by the digestive process, maybe 50% gets converted, [/B]

The above is false. The reason Deca has such a long half-life is because of the decanoate ester -- the longer the ester, the more lipid soluble it is, thus the longer it takes to enter the bloodstream. Their is no signicant difference in half-life for prohormones. The only thing that would effect that is the method of administration -- topicals would last much longer because transdermal delivery is inherently time released.

Also, it is MUCH more than 50% that you lose when taking it orally. The literature on androgens would suggest it is more like 97-99%.

If anyone has gotten good results from orals, they will be blown away by topicals or cyclodextrin intranasals.