Nolva, L-dex, Femara, Aromasin, not as helpful as we beleive?

[Slyder190]

Seems that lately (and I'm one of these people too) there are a lot of posts about gyno and unsuccessful treatment with any of the mentioned drugs. And there do seem to be a lot. I must question how good these drugs really are at combatting gyno. The problem may be also be bunk ancillaries being put out like bunk juice. Perhaps we put too much faith in the new research product fad? Just some food for thought.

 

[Lift Chief]

I'd imagine it's underdosed/bunk gear as the culprit.

 

[The Terminator]

I'd imagine it's underdosed/bunk gear as the culprit.

Actually that scenario would probably be beneficial to slyder....

Though liquid companies could possibly be dosed incorrectly...There are just so many of them now...

 

[Lift Chief]

Actually that scenario would probably be beneficial to slyder....

Though liquid companies could possibly be dosed incorrectly...There are just so many of them now...

Whoops, thanks for pointing that out. That is what i meant... Bunk or underdosed liquid ancilliaries... not gear... typo.

 

[Tryn2]

I have been wondering the same thing. Has anyone tested any of the liquids that are being put out? I assume that people that use the liquids are probably getting it all from the same 3 or 4 places that are popular.

- If anyone knows for sure ones better than the other can you hit me a PM, but only if you know dont just hit me up with what you think is good. Ill throw some Karma your way for the PM. Thanks guys/girls....

 

[DrJMW]

Combatting gyno is different than preventing gyno. Most guys using reasonable doses of aromatizing compounds and taking either aromasin, femara, or arimidex experience no gyno or other estrogenic sides. I know guys with very low BF% that do well with using Nolvadex 20mg daily. The key is prevention. If you are using DECA, FINA, or anadrol, then you must be aware of prolactin/progesterone sides. These can be prevented with Dostinex or Winstrol. Treating existing gyno is another story. First, you need to discover the source--is it estrogen based or prolactin-based? Then you need to block the estrogen and reduce the blood levels of estrogen. If prolactin-based, you need to reduce your proalctin levels. Many people have had success using Nolvadex to treat their gyno. They add in an aromatase inhibitor (aromasin, femara, arimidex) to reduce blood levels of estrogen at the same time. To reduce blood levels of prolactin, they add in Dostinex. Anothe option to treat gyno is applying DHT cream/gel. Lastly, surgery is the ultimate option.

 

[georgie24]

what about nizoral on the nips?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I said this before, I'll say it again. For any liquid research company to underdose stuff like Clomid and Nolvadex they would really have to go out of thier way to be fucking scumbags. That stuff is so cheap in raw powder form and their mark up so high that they can over dose their stuff a bit and still turn a good profit on every bottle. Not to say it doesn't happen... There are a lot of scumbags in the game right now.

 

[Ulter]

It's not really a matter of price Rick. The Chinese has gotten wise to the fact that they can underdose their powders and sell them for just as much. There are only two liquid companies, from what we've tested, that test every single batch of every product that they sell. The rest from what I have seen just trust what they get is real and put in a bottle.
It's not just them either. It's become that way with most of the materials coming from China. Just look at the boards and you'll see posts about underdosed everything. I know one liquid guy just last week sent us cialis to be tested along with his usual powders and hey guess what?. No Cialis in the cialis powder. This from a chemical company he's been dealing with for a year. Anyone else would have just been selling it unaware until he got complaints.
People should be aware that many of the "fast, reliable, nice guys to deal with" are not spending the $500-$600/wk it costs to test what they sell and YOU are the test lab.
They buy a banner on a couple boards, buy some powder, mix it in a bottle of solution, and bang they're in business. They don't have an extra two grand a month to test what they put in the solution.

 

[hotshot5150]

I understand money is usually the issue when buying the liquid products and there allure....... but this is one thing I would never skimp on because if you stuff is bad or underdosed, you better get your little sisters training bra out and strap it on.

If your going to use products from some of these new liquid labs, I would recommend buying a small amount of legit ancilliaries, just in case.