No Libido post short cycle HELP PLZ

[Brock99]

In August 2011 I took a 1.5cc of Deca 300, this shut me down but due to various factors this did not register with me. I did another jab of 1cc of deca300 3 weeks later at this point my body seemed as though it was rebounding back from the first jab, the second shot shut me down with ED and no libido. I know i was foolish and shouldnt have done deca on its own however never had any problems with it before when used on short cycles. After researching a bit i saw that the general concensus is to run test for a bit longer so i took a shot of sustanon at the end of August and was advised to just leave my body as it would rebound back quick due to it being a short cycle.

I was advised that i did not need PCT for such a small cycle, i do not have any performace problems in the bedroom but dont seem to have any libido.........at the start of December i decided to run a pct so ran some clomid 100/100/50/50/50.......I also noticed with the second shot of Deca my sperm was watery this has improved with time even though it is still a bit watery.

Have been booked in for some blood tests at the end of this month. I am now 1 week off PCT, during PCT i had a few days where my libido semed to have returned.

I have been training for the last month and a half and my weight has increased and so is my strength.................looking for some adviceif running a second PCT would help.....

 

[joeblow12345]

In August 2011 I took a 1.5cc of Deca 300, this shut me down but due to various factors this did not register with me. I did another jab of 1cc of deca300 3 weeks later at this point my body seemed as though it was rebounding back from the first jab, the second shot shut me down with ED and no libido. I know i was foolish and shouldnt have done deca on its own however never had any problems with it before when used on short cycles. After researching a bit i saw that the general concensus is to run test for a bit longer so i took a shot of sustanon at the end of August and was advised to just leave my body as it would rebound back quick due to it being a short cycle.

I was advised that i did not need PCT for such a small cycle, i do not have any performace problems in the bedroom but dont seem to have any libido.........at the start of December i decided to run a pct so ran some clomid 100/100/50/50/50.......I also noticed with the second shot of Deca my sperm was watery this has improved with time even though it is still a bit watery.

Have been booked in for some blood tests at the end of this month. I am now 1 week off PCT, during PCT i had a few days where my libido semed to have returned.

I have been training for the last month and a half and my weight has increased and so is my strength.................looking for some adviceif running a second PCT would help.....

So you only ran deca? If so this was not a
Good idea.
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[Brock99]

Yes first two shots were deca follwed by a shot of sus. I know now that this was not a good idea.........

what is puzzling me is i hve been having good workouts in the gym and have put some muscle on in las few months........sometimes i notice that my chest seems a bit puffy at times also............

I decided to run a 5 week PCT of clomid 100/100/50/50/50 starting December and are currently 1 week post pct...........

I intend to have blood tests done towards the end of the month to see where i am at.........

any help would be much appreciated.......

 

[joeblow12345]

Yes first two shots were deca follwed by a shot of sus. I know now that this was not a good idea.........

what is puzzling me is i hve been having good workouts in the gym and have put some muscle on in las few months........sometimes i notice that my chest seems a bit puffy at times also............

I decided to run a 5 week PCT of clomid 100/100/50/50/50 starting December and are currently 1 week post pct...........

I intend to have blood tests done towards the end of the month to see where i am at.........

any help would be much appreciated.......

You need to use an ai like adex as well as have caber on hand for prolactin.

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[Brock99]

Thanks for the advice, its been 4 and a half months since my last shot................last shot which was sustanon was on August 31st.

I just want to get my sex drive back im will be going for bloods end of the month or 1st week of February giving 3-4 weeks after PCT to see where my body is at in terms of recovery.....

If i was to run a second pct what would you recommend??

U think need HCG??

 

[joeblow12345]

Thanks for the advice, its been 4 and a half months since my last shot................last shot which was sustanon was on August 31st.

I just want to get my sex drive back im will be going for bloods end of the month or 1st week of February giving 3-4 weeks after PCT to see where my body is at in terms of recovery.....

If i was to run a second pct what would you recommend??

U think need HCG??

If your running clomid for pct you still need a test booster like tribulus. I also use hcg at 500 ius a week from the last week of cycle into pct for 2 weeks.The caber on cycle would have kept the prolactin issues at bay. You should always run test at a higher dose than deca If I run test at 500 mg than deca would be 300 mgs. Also the arimadex at. 5 mg every 2-3 days, caber at .5 mg every 5-7 days. For an alternative pct there was a post on here about how to run needtos pct. Where you would use hcgenerate, forma stanzol, post cycle, and unleashed thats worth looking into. I have yet to try it but it sounds promising. Its worth looking into.

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[Brock99]

I am now done with PCT i ran it for 5 weeks i also used tongkat through pct and will be stopping the tongkat this week. I am just over one week after clomid........Just a bit concerned as never taken this long to recover before.......

Where would a good place to get some HCG from if i decide to do a second PCT?? If you could message me thank you.

Will see what my bloods return as when have them done at the end of the month that should help in identifying what the problem is

 

[joeblow12345]

I am now done with PCT i ran it for 5 weeks i also used tongkat through pct and will be stopping the tongkat this week. I am just over one week after clomid........Just a bit concerned as never taken this long to recover before.......

Where would a good place to get some HCG from if i decide to do a second PCT?? If you could message me thank you.

Will see what my bloods return as when have them done at the end of the month that should help in identifying what the problem is

As far as sources go thats not aloud on this forum. But you can search the net to find a place. Also hcgenerate is supposed to be just as good if not better than hcg, its worth a try if you can get it. The product bridge is supposed to be the same if you double the dose. If you have access to the black market you can usually find anything you want.

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[gymrat827]

dont run a 2nd pct...just use natty t boosters + serms. clomid @ 50mg ED, hcgenerate is OOS so pick up bridge and DAA.

use the both at the rec'd dose....3g's a day for DAA and 3 caps ED of bridge + 50mg clomid. with what you did i am not surprised you are not recovered yet. it takes time. The cloimd/OTC supps should take care of you. at this point i dont think i would buy hcg if i was you. IMO that is.

 

[joeblow12345]

dont run a 2nd pct...just use natty t boosters + serms. clomid @ 50mg ED, hcgenerate is OOS so pick up bridge and DAA.

use the both at the rec'd dose....3g's a day for DAA and 3 caps ED of bridge + 50mg clomid. with what you did i am not surprised you are not recovered yet. it takes time. The cloimd/OTC supps should take care of you. at this point i dont think i would buy hcg if i was you. IMO that is.

You do realize you basically laid out a mild pct after you told him not to do a 2nd pct.

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[Brock99]

Thanks for the info guys..........Im now nearly 5 months since my last shot and still no libido, will be goin for blood tests in 2 weeks..................

Just never ever experienced any problems with recovery before..............hope the blood test clarifies where the problem is.

 

[Faststangxxx]

So let me get this straight...
You did one shot of deca and then three weeks later did another shot of deca? And then did a shot of sust? I don't think this would qualify as a cycle, because the word cycle implies that there was some planning and some intelligence used in planning. This is exactly why steroids have a bad name. Because people don't respect what these hormones can do if not properly used. You should have a GOOD pct planned before you ever even start your "cycle". And I can tell you I usually spend more money on my on cycle stuff and on my pct than the actual cycle. Good luck, but you are probably f-ed for a while. From now on use some brain cells and actually plan...



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[Brock99]

Yes that is correct Fastangxxx, I know you are correct in what you say I was going to do PCT but was advised that i did not need it as it was only 3 shots.

I did run a 5 week clomid pct from the start of December which consisted of 100/100/50/50/50. Will be going for blood tests in 2 weeks.

If i was to run a 2nd pct what would you recommend??

 

[Faststangxxx]

You really need blood work. Like I told you in your pm, get a FULL hormone panel. Then we can see what the issue is. First lesson learned. Now let's fix it, and next time at least you know better.



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[gsig704]

I'm new to this site and not sure how to start my own thread. But i came off a test/tren cycle 3 months ago used clomid for PCT. Had great gains but I still feel as if my libido is suppressed. Had blood work done test levels were in the normal range. My erections are starting to get back to normal just have trouble if i drink any alcohol. Anyone experience this? Would love some help

 

[Faststangxxx]

Its not your test levels that are f-ed up, it's probably your prolactin levels



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[gsig704]

That is what I have noticed I am a health major in school and right now we just finished covering all of the hormones in the body. Which made me come to that conclusion that it has to be prolactin because the more I think about it I have a really high libido and researched and found out that high prolactin will cause a weaker erection because you are still in the refractory period most of the time. This actually made me a lot happier because high prolactin is much simpler to cure than a low test. I won't have to go on TRT and can just get a estrogen blocker to reduce the prolactin and once it's at a normal range my body will keep it there.

Wouldn't you say that high prolactin is much more curable than low test? Also I don't have any gyno or lumps behind my nipples so I don't think it's too bad and everything seems to be recovering back to normal just at a very slow rate. I am going to get my blood work done at the endo and test my prolactin and hopefully he will prescribe me something instead of just say it will regulate itself if I just wait it out. I am wanting this to speed up. Thank you I appreciate all the replys and would like some more input

 

[Brock99]

Hi

Been a while, well ive been to the doctors and was initially sent for a blood count everything came back fine just cholesterol a bit higher than normal.

After requesting a full hormone panel which the doctor just seemed to disregard even though he acknowledged that my symptoms would not be caused by slightly higher cholesterol, booked an appointment with another doctor who sent me for blood tests consisting of adrogen, estrogen, fsh and prolactin was advised that they would send me for a more comprehensive blood test upon receiving the result of these, should get the results for these this week.

Was advised that once these results come back and if there are any anomalies then they would send me for further tests which i am assuming would be for testosterone, free test etc....

Im am nearly 6 weeks from having run a 5 week clomid pct as stated earlier in the thread, and things seemed to be slightly better. I have also been noticing that sometimes my chest seems a bit puffy when am warm, however once im cooled down a bit this seems to return to normal, after some research it seems like this maybe due to prolactin. Will post the blood test once i have received this.

 

[Brock99]

Just got some of my blood test results back

prolactin range 60-208 189.0
serum testerone 6.1-27.2 15.6
serum fsh range 1.27 - 19.26 6.4
serum lh range 1.2-8.6 2.7
serum free t4 range7.5-21.1 10.9

Any insight into these would be much appreciated..........

Would you say that the lh is a bit one the low side?? Prolacint high??

 

[Brock99]

prolactin (range 60-208) 189.0
serum testosterone (range 6.1-27.2) 15.6
serum fsh (range 1.27-19.26) 6.4
serum lh (range 1.2-8.6) 2.7
serum free t4 level (range 7.5-21.1) 10.9
oestradiol range (range 73-322) 143


Values on the right are the results. This is what the secretary read out to me, will be going to go get a print out tomorrow.

Also as stated earlier my chest seems puffy at times and noticed there seems to be a very small amount of lactating on one side. Having researched this it seems as though this could be due to prolactin.

Can someone please shed some light on the results, would runing a second pct of clomid with torremifene and dosintex (caber) help??

 

[danoman27]

Bump for ya man. Hopefully someone can chime in. In the mean time here's a link to the 101 page. The second to last post on the first page has some in depth info on blood work. Check it out. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/taking-anabolic-steroids-101-a-642856.html

 

[Faststangxxx]

LH seems a little on the lower side, and prolactin seems high. I would run a low dose of prami and a course of HCGenerate. Just my .02



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[Brock99]

Just been to doctors and got the results printed, need some help pls.
Serum TSH (0.34-5.6) - 4.86miu/L
Serum Oestradiol (73-322) - 143.0 pmol/L
Serum Testosterone (6.1-27.2) - 15.6nmol/L
Serum Prolactin (60-278) - 189.0mu/L
Serum FSH (1.27-19.26) - 6.4iu/L
Serum LH (1.2-8.6) - 2.7iu/L
Serum free T4 level (7.5-21.1) - 10.9 pmol/L

Blood count is fine
Vitamin D is low

Thanks for the advice Fastang, im not able to get prami but i have access to caber.....
LH seems a bit low i think??

A bit confused as the prolactin has come back within range but i seem to get puffy nipples when relatively in a warm environent and if i squeeze one side a very small amount of clear liquid comes out........from research this points to prolactin.....advised the doctor of this but he is saying everything is within normal range.........

I also think testosterone is a bit low for my age i am 2 months shy of being 28.........is this correct for converting from nmol to ng/dl 15.6 divided by .0347 (conversion factor for testosterone, info from the net) this gives me a value of 449.57

Would running a second pct help maybe clomid/Tormifene with dostinex and some hcgenerate or tongkat??

 

[Faststangxxx]

Doctors are just looking at numbers for the general population. You are wnl for an old man yes, but not a 28 yo man.



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[Brock99]

been doing some research and some people have had difficulty fecovering from deca and have managed to recover fully after running a cycle of testosterone try and then following pct.

It has been 6 months since the last shot, and would prefer not to go down this route am deliberating whether to run a second pct and see how this goes.

Was hoping for a bit more insight from experienced users.

Thanks for the advice Fastang

 

[Gearjunkie]

been doing some research and some people have had difficulty fecovering from deca and have managed to recover fully after running a cycle of testosterone try and then following pct.

It has been 6 months since the last shot, and would prefer not to go down this route am deliberating whether to run a second pct and see how this goes.

Was hoping for a bit more insight from experienced users.

Thanks for the advice Fastang

This all sound some sort of bs.
You might have some other problem.

When you go for surgery especially shoulder tendons, or ligament doctor give u shots of deca by it self so your joints can recover quickly.

And seriously u did two shots only, how the hell can they shut you down that bad!

I was on test tren deca for almost 4 years straight and I'm doing my pct right now every things normally so far.
Haven't lost much size either just the water

 

[Brock99]

I assure you this is not bull i was absolutely fine before the 2 shots of deca 300, the first shot was just over a 1cc and the second shot was 1.5cc, this was followed by a shot of sus, the problem was i shot deca by itself which i now know was a big mistake and only shot the sus after realising that i was shutdown possibly due to prolactin induced by deca. Strangely enuf i have not lost any weight but have gained weight since but feel it is more fat than anything. I guess everyone responds in different ways just never had a problem ever before and have never run long cycles. How would you interpret my bloods gear junkie?? And what would you recommend for a second pct??

Its nearly been 6 months since the last shot

 

[Gearjunkie]

I assure you this is not bull i was absolutely fine before the 2 shots of deca 300, the first shot was just over a 1cc and the second shot was 1.5cc, this was followed by a shot of sus, the problem was i shot deca by itself which i now know was a big mistake and only shot the sus after realising that i was shutdown possibly due to prolactin induced by deca. Strangely enuf i have not lost any weight but have gained weight since but feel it is more fat than anything. I guess everyone responds in different ways just never had a problem ever before and have never run long cycles. How would you interpret my bloods gear junkie?? And what would you recommend for a second pct??

Its nearly been 6 months since the last shot

That's wasn't even a cycle you did.
I don't know what were ya trying to do but it seems to confusing.

Do you know novadex and some other anti estrogens kill your libido to.

Just use some OTC supplements and you be fine

 

[Brock99]

Yes i am aware of the SERMS killing libido, my libido has not been the same since the deca shots though and whilst running clomid it was better. Just want to do things in the right way as i obviously didnt when took what i did.

 

[Faststangxxx]

Are you running the caber and hcgenerate yet?



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[Brock99]

Hi been a while since ive updated but situation is still the same even though libido is slighlty better. Still getting puffy nipples and some clear lactation when warm. After some extensive reading have come to the conclusion that this will be down to estro or more likely prolactin. Since my last post i thought will give it some more time for my body to re balance however situation appears to be the same..........

Will be getting some dostinex and clomid tomorrow to run for a month with HCGenerate. Not sure if i should also run an AI with these. I know my fertility has been effected also so just wanting to get everything back to normal again.

I have also been back to the doctors again and have been referred to an endo which will take approx 6-8 weeks.

Was hoping for some more input from some of the more experienced users on here. Some advice would be appreciated as i dont want to mess things up and just want to get things back to normal.

 

[Brock99]

Right after some interesting reading ive come to the conclusion that the puffy chest is more than likely due to slightly high estro........when my estradiol is converted from pmol to pg/ml this comes to 38.95pg/ml

Ive got the dostinex which i took last night at 0.25mg, also have some clomid which i am yet to start on, have some hcgenerate also but may leave this for after running this pct. Now the question is which AI to use Aromasin seems like a good choice as it seems to be tolerated better by the body however i have been reading some good stuff on PES Erase but not sure if this is going to work. Some advice in regards to dosing aromasin or maybe a better alternative would be much appreciated. From reading starting does of 12.5mg seems to be the norm and upping if necessary.

Come on guys i really could do with some help here

 

[joeblow12345]

The dostinex should take care of the prolactin issues. If .25 isnt enough up it to .5. As far as an ai aromasin works but I prefer arimadex. If this is insufficient than letrozole may be your only option.

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[Brock99]

Quick update stpped taking caber just over a wekk or so ago and nips are still puffy and have begun lactating a bit again. After some more reading it appears that my TSH is on the high side and the free t4 is a bit on the low side of normal, i think the deca has unbalanced my throid hence the problems with recovery now. I did not have any issues before the deca and these problems have only come after the deca and as for the lactating i think this has come after running clomid for 5 weeks from december. After googling it appears that the tsh and free t4 score would have me hypothyroid (underactive thyroid) this would possibly explain the prolems with lack of libido and possibly feritlity also. I do believe that the deca has unbalanced my hormones thus having a knock on effect on my thyroid as frome xtensive reading and searching have not come across any incidents deca causing thyroid problems. Have another endo appointment on july 11, and will also be getting some bloods drawn this coming week hoping this will shed some more light. I did however come across one person who had a high normal tsh but after running another pct was fine. I know that my estro is a bit on the high side of the range as optimal is between 20-30, and even though prolactin appears to be fine i am lactating when nip is pressed. Will also be going to the dr to get a proper test of thyroid done also, thinking maybe i have adrenal fatigue as was quite a stressful time august last year and this problem didnt help also. Was hoping for some more input from the experienced useres on here and a bit suprised that no one picked up on the high normal tsh and low normal free t4.

 

[Brock99]

New Blood results done last week, bloods drawn at 9.15am

LH 3.02 (1.2-8.6)
FSH 7.6 (1.27-19.26)
Testosterone 11.6 nmol (6.1-27.2)
SHBG 29.8 (13.2-89.5)
Prolactin 11miu (60-278)
TSH 3.1 (0.34-5.6)
Free T4 13.9pmol (7.5-21.1)

The testosterone appears to have dropped a bit even tho the ndo did say it will vary to a degree everytime you test.

It still feels as though my testicles are atrophied as they hang very high and tight.

Was thinking of going to seem my local gp to get more comprehensive blood tests done next week and maybe going private.......anyone know of any good endos in the UK with experience of patients who used steroids??