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bluetwistedsteel67
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How would it not matter how much he weighs? You don't really think a 245lb mesomorph produces the same amount of testosterone naturally as a 160 ecto do you. I agree though, a gram a week is a bit much.2Thick said:
Newbies using 1000mg of testosterone a week?
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Mr.X
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wow! 35 people suggested 1gram of test for newbies! I'm always amazed....
solidspine
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That statement summarizes the problem
I think I will be switching careers to mortuary science, I see a promising future.
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thegoodfoods
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what would 250mg test enanthate a week do for a newbie? i'm curious cuz im on my first cycle
i am agood reason why it is too much for a newbie----been working out 25 yrs not to get big 'but to stay in shape-- started doing some test-deca-dbol and winny---had studied them a year mostly in se aand then here and other bb sites thought for sure i was ready only did about half a cycle--body reacted awsome so thats why i stopped---put on about 15 lbs kept 12strength stayed up about 30% easy---picking up something heavy at workAndy13 said:
and ruptured tendon in bicep now i think i may have tore a tendon in leg do to increased speed------------so no newbies do need that much test because that shit really drives up strength and just because you think you are ready your tendons may not be ready
hey bro----try 250 every 5 days that is unless you are very small or have not worked out very much ----i know nothing about ya ----if ya ask a ques likethegoodfoods said:
this you should list yer stats and goals and stuff be easier to answer you
this is just my opinion and it may be wrong so wait for an answerr from more experience here
solidspine
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Would recommend something else for a first cycle?
pitbullrocco
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receptor downregulation what?
more like receptor annihilation.
more like receptor annihilation.
mr.nitrofish
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I can't belive this thread dates back to 2001 
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thegoodfoods
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here are my stats at the start of my first cycle, which was 3 days ago...
Age: 18
Weight: 231
16% bf
My goal(s) is to get as muscular as possible. i don't want to gain a lot of bf, but i wouldnt mind some if it gets me goin to my goal. i injected 250mg/test enanthate three days ago. i want to gain some noticeable, quality muscle so that i'll keep most of it. So what do you guys think of a newbie just starting out on 250mg of test/week. think they'll (I'll) make any good gains?
Age: 18
Weight: 231
16% bf
My goal(s) is to get as muscular as possible. i don't want to gain a lot of bf, but i wouldnt mind some if it gets me goin to my goal. i injected 250mg/test enanthate three days ago. i want to gain some noticeable, quality muscle so that i'll keep most of it. So what do you guys think of a newbie just starting out on 250mg of test/week. think they'll (I'll) make any good gains?
drols of steel
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Nope, I think its a waste at that dose...They can get the same results with 1/2 that Amt.
BountyHunter700
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I see too much on this board about if you start with 600mg then you must goto 800mg to grow on the next cycle due to receptor saturation bla bla....To date there is no proof that this is true....and there never will be
Your body continuosly produce new receptors....yes once you hit your genetic peak, you will need a larger amount to continue, but it has nothing to due with receptor saturation.....
The only problem I have with a newbie starting with 1000mg is the fact that once the sides kick in, he will not know how to handle them due to lack of experience...Also, he may be wasting money being that he may have gotten just as much results with 600mg other than that, it's his choice!!
Now, run to the bar and tell your buddy that you can have just as much fun with 2 beers as you can with 5!!!
Your body continuosly produce new receptors....yes once you hit your genetic peak, you will need a larger amount to continue, but it has nothing to due with receptor saturation.....
The only problem I have with a newbie starting with 1000mg is the fact that once the sides kick in, he will not know how to handle them due to lack of experience...Also, he may be wasting money being that he may have gotten just as much results with 600mg other than that, it's his choice!!
Now, run to the bar and tell your buddy that you can have just as much fun with 2 beers as you can with 5!!!
I agree the whole "receptor" thing is BS.....what happens is that gains become more difficult and most aren't willing to up the intensity of their workouts and the level of their diet, plus if you started at 200# and you now weigh 250 then you need 25% more juice to have the same levels per lb of body mass. I know some disagree with this but it is true....the bigger (lean) you are the more you will need to make the same progress with the same (relative: calories to mass) diet and workout.BountyHunter700 said:
BountyHunter700
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bluetwistedsteel67 said:
The 3 body types has nothing to due with the amount of testosterone production. Its more based on cell and glandular structures.....I naturally produce just as much test as my cousin yet he's always been 20lbs heavier. Even with my synthetic test levels 6 times higher than his, he can still out lift me in the gym.....Why??.....because genetic structure has nothing to due with testosterone production..
I think I have to disagree....attenuation happens with nearly every drug or hormone we take, even Tylenol...even your own Insulin (Insulin insensitivity) Downregulation/tolerence happens...its real. I definatly think receptor downregulation in response to oversaturation happens. I also assure you whhen a cycle peaks on me it has NOTHING to do with my training intensity or diet. I live this shit. On that note 100mgs in NEVER required by a newbie.BountyHunter700 said:
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mr.nitro
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im not sure how this got bumped up, but ive been thinking about this alot.it seems to me that most people take too low of a dose. this is evedent when a source starts overdoseing their gear and all of a sudden everyones saying how good their gear is because they are growing so much bigger than before.in reality they would grow like that off of anyones gear if they just upped the dose a little.
some people will say you don't need to do 1,000mg to grow, and while they are right you will grow on much less, the gains on 1,000mg are far better. it seems to me if your going to cycle on and off you might as well make the most of your on time.
some people will say you don't need to do 1,000mg to grow, and while they are right you will grow on much less, the gains on 1,000mg are far better. it seems to me if your going to cycle on and off you might as well make the most of your on time.
solidspine
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WHAT,
If I were a vascular surgeon I would be telling all these newbies to use that much gear and then to call me when they realize their kidneys and liver are kind of needed
Hello all, I knew a healthy guy 36 yrs. old whose first cycle was 400mg. test E. In the fourth week the top half of his body exploded in acne that was so severe it was like 2nd degree burns, pus and blood everywhere. I can not imagine what might have happened to him if he was doing a gram. Be safe, strong and healthy. Metisse
210toosmall
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IMO in reality who NEEDS 1g test pw? what pro bbs,or pls?
so those that use this much and are not these do so out of choice.
it would depend on your goal right?
if your a 180 lb newbie whos goal was to be a 260 lb monster then why not hit 1g right out the gate? your first cycle is suppose to be your best chance to gain, so why not hit it hard.
and if every newbie did thier homework like they should anyways they would be prepared to deal with any poss. sides and or issues.
obviously
EVERYTHING is on a case by case scenario,so to make a blanket staement like xxxmg pw for a first cycle is kind of pointless
its all trial and err for us all so you dont know unless you try!
so those that use this much and are not these do so out of choice.
it would depend on your goal right?
if your a 180 lb newbie whos goal was to be a 260 lb monster then why not hit 1g right out the gate? your first cycle is suppose to be your best chance to gain, so why not hit it hard.
and if every newbie did thier homework like they should anyways they would be prepared to deal with any poss. sides and or issues.
obviously
EVERYTHING is on a case by case scenario,so to make a blanket staement like xxxmg pw for a first cycle is kind of pointless
its all trial and err for us all so you dont know unless you try!
F_ed_in_the_A
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The main problem with starting with so much is that your body becomes accustomed to hormone's just like it would speed, or other drugs. You need to start low to ensure you get the most out of the particular chemical before building a tolerance. To me, to even consider taking so much at the beginning would've been a clear signal that I wasn't ready to use the drugs, nor did I respect them.
wow, theres some shitty advice given in this thread LMAO. But what sucks, is that someone who is leaning towards 1g of test/week and read this thread and go ahead and do it...
Quad already said something similar to this today, you can have all the wood in the world, you cant build a house without nails and glue.
Nails = Diet
Glue = Workout
Dont be stupid and START off w/ 1g of week Test.
Quad already said something similar to this today, you can have all the wood in the world, you cant build a house without nails and glue.
Nails = Diet
Glue = Workout
Dont be stupid and START off w/ 1g of week Test.
Anyone with the enough years of good weight training and mature muscle who has reached a plateau and wants to take it to the next level should use 1000mg of test for their first cycle.
You only have one chance at a first cycle and it's the best opportunity to gain like you never will again. The side effects of 500mg vs 1000mg are not that much different if you're using an AI. But the gains are much different.
You only have one chance at a first cycle and it's the best opportunity to gain like you never will again. The side effects of 500mg vs 1000mg are not that much different if you're using an AI. But the gains are much different.
Tweakle
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the problem being obviously 95% of people who use gear are not ready for it, have maybe a few months or a year tops of training under their belts and train like old women on xanax. If you knew your body, had been training for years and understood the realities of side effects rather than believing regurgitated message board BS (like the tale of the man who's acne exploded a couple of post above ) then I'd agree with ulter. But most don't, so I dont 
the problem being obviously 95% of people who use gear are not ready for it, have maybe a few months or a year tops of training under their belts and train like old women on xanax. If you knew your body, had been training for years and understood the realities of side effects rather than believing regurgitated message board bs (like the tale of the man who's acne exploded a couple of post above ) then i'd agree with ulter. But most don't, so i dont
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NeverGymless
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Im using 600 mg for my first cycle of test E. Almost half way threw and feeling great. Up 12 lean pounds so far 
Im using 600 mg for my first cycle of test E. Almost half way threw and feeling great. Up 12 lean pounds so far
600 for a first cycle is too much IMO
I grow on 300mgs ew and i'm very experienced.
