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Newbie needs help... First Cycle

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Hey guys, new to the group and have some questions.

I’m a 33 year old male, 6’, 185lbs and 12-15% body fat (ectomorph). I have been working out hardcore for the last 18 months. I can not tell you guys how much money I have spent in those last 18 months on over the counter supplements… Somewhere in the realm of 10-15 grand, no joke. I had pretty good results almost put on 35lbs in those 18 months naturally. But since have cycled off everything and lost almost 20lbs and 2.5 inches on my arms and everywhere else, within a matter of months. I injured my shoulder and took a few months off. Injury’s suck, I feel like I lost everything I worked for over those months.

So now I say F-it, and am getting my hands on some gear. I have never been against any type of steroids and after doing massive amounts of research found the cycle I believe will suit my needs.


Thanks for the help.
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Oh I thought this was the place? Who can I talk to here that can give me some insigh?

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Trizo said:
Oh I thought this was the place? Who can I talk to here that can give me some insigh?

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nobody. this is a forum to discuss A A S cycles etc. but not how to procure drugs. That is something that you do on your own.
 
I fully understand and edited my post.

Ok so for my first cycle, what would you guys recommend? Also can I cycle in some of my old over the counter shit? I have a shelf full of CE2, Aplodan, HD-17, endothil CR, etc… Or should I just stick to my cycle and not use anything else?
 
A good tried and true first cycle is 250-500mgs/week of either testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate. Honestly this is all you need first go round.
 
shredded87 said:
12-15% is not ECTO bro...............
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I'm not sure why an ectomorph could not have a bodyfat in that range?

There typically thin with long limbs and hard gainers when it comes to putting on muscle but could still have a body fat ratio in that range.
 
shredded87 said:
12-15% is not ECTO bro...............
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I really am ecto, I was 150lbs 6' for a longtime. Using a pinch test while bloated on way to much creatine I was 12-15%.
 
Trizo said:
Hey guys, new to the group and have some questions.

I’m a 33 year old male, 6’, 185lbs and 12-15% body fat (ectomorph). I have been working out hardcore for the last 18 months. I can not tell you guys how much money I have spent in those last 18 months on over the counter supplements… Somewhere in the realm of 10-15 grand, no joke. I had pretty good results almost put on 35lbs in those 18 months naturally. But since have cycled off everything and lost almost 20lbs and 2.5 inches on my arms and everywhere else, within a matter of months. I injured my shoulder and took a few months off. Injury’s suck, I feel like I lost everything I worked for over those months.

So now I say F-it, and am getting my hands on some gear. I have never been against any type of steroids and after doing massive amounts of research found the cycle I believe will suit my needs.


Thanks for the help.
T-
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To be honest if you did gain 35lbs naturally and couldn't maintain it there is no reason to take steroids. I am all natural and have been training for over 12 years now and if you can't keep the weight you gain naturally (even with an injury) there is no way you will keep any gains with steroids. To lose 20lbs even though injured doesn't make any sense at all to me. Your diet obviously isn't on track to drop 20lbs. A few years ago I injured my back pretty bad and was out of working out for 4 months. I lost 2lbs only because I increased my calories and changed my diet since I knew I wouldn't be going into the gym and needed to maintain what I had gained. You are looking for an easy way when you've already stated that you made great gains naturally. Stop spending so much money on supplements. All you really need is creatine, glutamine, Whey Protein, (maybe casein for night). Muscles have memory and your gains would be able to come back in 2-3 months naturally. Also if you injured your shoulder you still could've been going to the gym. You could have bought bands and rehabbed your shoulder and been able to train lower body and probably would've been back in the gym in less than 2 months. My advice to you would be to gain back that 20lbs naturally before you venture into AS. If your diet is in check and you train hard there's no way you can't put that weight back on in 3 months. Only use AS after you have reached your natural peak. Also at your age if your spending 10-15k on supplements go see an HRT doctor. Get scripts and do it legal. You could get test and hgh all legal. Better to spend your money doing that and getting blood work than doing illegal activities. You asked for advice and thats mine, you don't have to agree with me or listen to it but it really is the best advice.
 
Trizo said:
Hey guys, new to the group and have some questions.

I’m a 33 year old male, 6’, 185lbs and 12-15% body fat (ectomorph). I have been working out hardcore for the last 18 months. I can not tell you guys how much money I have spent in those last 18 months on over the counter supplements… Somewhere in the realm of 10-15 grand, no joke. I had pretty good results almost put on 35lbs in those 18 months naturally. But since have cycled off everything and lost almost 20lbs and 2.5 inches on my arms and everywhere else, within a matter of months. I injured my shoulder and took a few months off. Injury’s suck, I feel like I lost everything I worked for over those months.
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You've only been training for 18 months and it would seem you're already on every available non-steroid supplement under the sun.

In that time you've already spent 2 months off due to a serious injury. I say serious because it would have to be to require total time off. An intelligent trainer can usually work around any injury. I used to go to the gym with gutter crutches as I had a fractured femur, tibia, ulna and radius (motorcycle accident) and even then I could find stuff to do.

I think steroids in your hands could be dangerous because it would seem that you have a seriously addictive personality as you already feel the need for so many supplements when just hard work and good eating could pay off just as well, especially in the first couple of years when building a strong foundation is most important...and you wouldn't lose everything so fast if you stopped.

If it takes so many supplements to get where you want to go, what's going to happen if you can't get them or afford them in the future. You'll just fizzle out because you've relied on them far too much. If you base your physique on basic good solid training and eating principles, you'll keep what you gained much more easily.

Learning something about overtraining would be a good start, as most beginners don't understand that the body can only take so much punishment and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you're seriously overtraining.
 
Just take 500mg of test e or c a week. That's alwas a good cycle reccomendation for a newbie. I wouldn't suggest anything else cuz honestly you sound like you have no idea what your doing.
 
Yeah, I really flew off the wagon and your spot on in your post. My diet is still really good, however I’m not trying to stuff 300 grams of protein and 3000+ cals down my throat so I was expecting to shrink some. I’m back on the workout training schedule and did not plan on doing a cycle till I had a few months warm up/break in under my belt. I injured my shoulder last January took two weeks of from doing press’s and it seemed to get better until June of last summer where I was going 6 days a week almost 12-14 hours a week in weight training along with my running and swimming and injured it again. I did keep cycling and swimming and cut out my running. I when I say swimming, running or cycle training, it’s meager compared to my lifting. I used to it help with my metabolism and keep my fat % down while injured. So yea, I can contribute a lot of my loss to replacing weights with cardio. I’m holding strong at 180lbs now, when a few years ago I was 150-160lbs. And 185 seemed to be that magic number was hard to get past that without weight gainers which made me feel like crap and bloated.

I’m 100% positive I can put that weight back on naturally within three months. And I was planning on going to see a Dr. about HRT. Wanted to do my research, ask my questions and get some feedback. Thanks Trendsetter, your advice is well received.

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tropo said:
You've only been training for 18 months and it would seem you're already on every available non-steroid supplement under the sun.

In that time you've already spent 2 months off due to a serious injury. I say serious because it would have to be to require total time off. An intelligent trainer can usually work around any injury. I used to go to the gym with gutter crutches as I had a fractured femur, tibia, ulna and radius (motorcycle accident) and even then I could find stuff to do.

I think steroids in your hands could be dangerous because it would seem that you have a seriously addictive personality as you already feel the need for so many supplements when just hard work and good eating could pay off just as well, especially in the first couple of years when building a strong foundation is most important...and you wouldn't lose everything so fast if you stopped.

If it takes so many supplements to get where you want to go, what's going to happen if you can't get them or afford them in the future. You'll just fizzle out because you've relied on them far too much. If you base your physique on basic good solid training and eating principles, you'll keep what you gained much more easily.

Learning something about overtraining would be a good start, as most beginners don't understand that the body can only take so much punishment and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you're seriously overtraining.
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Your right, I tried every product under the sun. Well every Muscle Tech & BSN product… Not the addictive personality type, more into how it was making me feel. I felt great, never better and was getting good results but it was expensive, that was my gripe. And I think that is what gives gear the wrong impression, is people abusing them. And I do eat clean, have for quite a few years it’s how I had good gains, 3000+ calories a day, 300+ protein and 35 grams of fat. I’m not a newbie to nutrition or lifting, but am a newbie to the gear scene. I really appreciate all the advise, it shows people here care about others well being.
 
tropo said:
You've only been training for 18 months and it would seem you're already on every available non-steroid supplement under the sun.

In that time you've already spent 2 months off due to a serious injury. I say serious because it would have to be to require total time off. An intelligent trainer can usually work around any injury. I used to go to the gym with gutter crutches as I had a fractured femur, tibia, ulna and radius (motorcycle accident) and even then I could find stuff to do.

I think steroids in your hands could be dangerous because it would seem that you have a seriously addictive personality as you already feel the need for so many supplements when just hard work and good eating could pay off just as well, especially in the first couple of years when building a strong foundation is most important...and you wouldn't lose everything so fast if you stopped.

If it takes so many supplements to get where you want to go, what's going to happen if you can't get them or afford them in the future. You'll just fizzle out because you've relied on them far too much. If you base your physique on basic good solid training and eating principles, you'll keep what you gained much more easily.

Learning something about overtraining would be a good start, as most beginners don't understand that the body can only take so much punishment and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you're seriously overtraining.
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what makes you think he is overtraining based on what he told us? No where did I see anything about his routine, split or diet.

To the OP, it is hard to swallow that you can lose 20 of the 35 you gained going natty. What were you on? If you must do a cycle then start off with 250mg test e or test c once a week for 13 weeks. Youll like what you see.

But do some research please before you start. look through the htreads here and see what to look out for. Go to the diet and training threas/forums and look thruogh there.

There ar great peeps on here that are willing to help you out. Good lock
 
SugarTits said:
what makes you think he is overtraining based on what he told us? No where did I see anything about his routine, split or diet.

To the OP, it is hard to swallow that you can lose 20 of the 35 you gained going natty. What were you on? If you must do a cycle then start off with 250mg testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate once a week for 13 weeks. Youll like what you see.

But do some research please before you start. look through the htreads here and see what to look out for. Go to the diet and training threas/forums and look thruogh there.

There ar great peeps on here that are willing to help you out. Good lock
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I’m a few months out from even doing a cycle. I’m taking that advice about getting up to my plateau again and see where I am at. I have never done a cycle and was all natural before, minus the shit you buy at SS & GNC.

I really could have been over training at the beginning, but was always careful and felt I had a good routine (was getting results). I used the routine from the Arnold Encyclopedia of body building, starting out beginner and working my way to the advanced 6 days a week. I have read both the first edition (10 years ago) and the second edition and found that to be all I need for laying out my routine. I don’t think I’m such a n00b that I’m clueless about my routine, eating and dieting. I just bought into the marketing of the major supplement companies. Did that help me gain? Maybe not physically but mentality I felt it was helping and kept me motivated to lift and stuff my face every day.

So I don’t need help with lifting or dieting… Just what cycle you recommend for a newbie gear user. And yes I am an ecto.
Thanks again !
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sopac said:
Thats a shit load of money on supplements wtf were you buying?
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Let me take a picture of my current shit... I will prolly get flammed into oblivion for this but you asked, 1 sec. :)
 
sopac said:
LOL gnc must love you! stop shopping there they are a ripoff and muscletech blows
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I used to swear by Poop Tech aka Nitro Tech, but guys at the office hated me farting nonstop. The Syntha 6 taste 10x better, doesn't clump and I don't seem to smoke the guys at workout with nonstop gas bombs. I honestly can't tell you what worked cause I was mixing diffrent brands with diffrent products. I do know I was keeping up on my eating so i'm sure that was 95% of it.

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I did a bit of research, why do you think I am here =P. It was a great motivator... I was basically forcing myself at the start to keep motivated, keep dieting and lifting or it really felt like a waste of money. It worked, had I not spent the money I doubt I would have stuck with it. I see what you guys are saying, I’m sure the CEO’s wife at Muscle Tech is enjoying the new tits I bought her!
 
Trizo said:
I did a bit of research, why do you think I am here =P. It was a great motivator... I was basically forcing myself at the start to keep motivated, keep dieting and lifting or it really felt like a waste of money. It worked, had I not spent the money I doubt I would have stuck with it. I see what you guys are saying, I’m sure the CEO’s wife at Muscle Tech is enjoying the new tits I bought her!
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lol, im sure he is enjoying them also.

whats your current diet look like mate? give us a meal by meal map out then we can help you some more, if your trying to put on weight and you cant more likley than not your not eating enough
 
xrsist said:
lol, im sure he is enjoying them also.

whats your current diet look like mate? give us a meal by meal map out then we can help you some more, if your trying to put on weight and you cant more likley than not your not eating enough
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At the current time this is probably the best place for you to start. Man you spent some money on chit. We all live and learn though!
 
The NO Xplode plumps you up nicely but 3 days after you stop taking it all gains are gone. In my opinion that sort of stuff works well but only as long as you can afford to take it = big $$$ over years.
 
xrsist said:
lol, im sure he is enjoying them also.

whats your current diet look like mate? give us a meal by meal map out then we can help you some more, if your trying to put on weight and you cant more likley than not your not eating enough
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I documented the last 5 months of lifting with monthly pictures and a daily journal (last picture is in my profile). I plan on doing a video documentation of my first cycle, my gains, my diet and my training schedule. Filming my injections and setup then post it to help other noobs like me just starting out. I will post picks of my gear once I get it, plus my dosages in hopes of getting your expert opinion. My three cycles are lines up with post cycles, just waiting for the call to go pick it up. I’m two months out from starting and will keep you guys posted. Thanks for the help, I feel with some positive encouragement and your guys advise I can have a successful few cycles and should have the documentation to prove it.

This was my meal/pill schedule while lifting 6 days a week. I’m still eating clean but not as much since I’m lifting 3 days a week currently. Not trying to bulk up just bring back what I felt I lost while I was injured. (my pussy hurts)

Daily Pill / Powder / Meal Schedule

Morning - Cytogainer / Muscle Milk / Mass Tech / Nitro Tech Hardcore shake. (Mix with fat free milk) Your choice
Oatmeal, Dry toast whole grain 2 slices
DHEA, Sports Multi Vitamin
CE2 - 2 Pills
Nitrix – 2 Pills 45 min before meal
BCA's - 6 Pills
2 – Sugar free Redbulls (Replaces coffee)
1 Scoop of NO Explode (Replaces coffee)


Breakfast - Oatmeal, Fat Free Cottage cheese, yogart, 3 pieces of whole grain toast dry
Moring Snack – Nitro Tech Meal replacement bar/Cheerios
Lunch – Chicken Breast or Spicy Tuna Sushi, 2 slices whole grain bread (2- Nitrix)
Dinner - Chicken Breast (8oz)/Turkey Breast, 1 Baked Potato (No butter, Fat free sour cream) Fresh Veggies, Yams, Cytogainer / Muscle Milk / Mass Tech / Nitro Tech Hardcore shake


Pre Workout (Stay away from milk before workouts, I mix my powders with water before my workouts) Keep fat intake down to nothing 4 hours before workout.

Fresh Fruit, Meal replacement bar. (30 min before workout)
Endothil CR – 1 pill 20 min before workout
17-HD – 1 pill while I’m walking into the gym
Gakic 8 Pills 30 min before workout
CE2 - 2 Pills 30 Min before workout
Nitrix – 2 Pills 45 min before meal
BCA's - 6 Pills
Amino Burst 3000 - 3 Pills
Leukic - 6 Pills right before workout


After Workout
Anator P90 2 Scoops - Right after workout
Cell Tech – 2 Scoops (grape rules)
Cytogainer / Muscle Milk / Mass Tech / Nitro Tech Hardcore shake (Add a banana)- 10-30 Min after workout
6 Hardboiled eggs, 1 Yoke, 1 can tuna in water mixed with a bit of mustard and relish 3 slices of whole grain bread. Choke down a chicken breast, plain…

Sleep…. Repeat.

My workouts are done at night also in my home gym with my workout partner. And no it's not a soloflex, I have a pretty amazing free weight gym with all the goodies at home. I won't tell you how much I spent on that equipment he he.

Suggestions?
 
If you are an Ecto like me, then i would cut the cardio down while trying to gain weight. If I am doing cardio, it seems my gains slow way down, and I am consuming 3500-4000 calories per day! I think as for supps you should stay with a combination protein mix(casien, whey, ect), creatine, and glut. I think you should also up the calories from 3000 to 3500-4000. That should get you growing. Also make sure you get enough rest. I think you should train for at least 2 years before starting AAS. If you must, it seems like 250-500 of Test E or Test C would be best. If you do decide to go with AAS make sure you plan your PCT as well!!
 
Listen, most of us have been there before with wasting tons of money of useless products.... I know I'm guilty! Thank God I learned pretty quickly that companies like Muscle Tech churned out nothing but (expensive) crap. Even after weeding out all that junk, my "supplement shelf" still looks something like that between protein, creatine, NO2, vitamins, amino's.

My advice, as some others have pointed out, improve the diet. Increase the calories. Take only the basics for supplements. Also get bloodwork to see how you're doing on the inside. Get your testosterone levels checked....if you have difficulty maininting weight, you could very well be test-deficient... in that case all the training, food, and supplements can't help you (until you go on HRT that is).

Keep learning bro and good luck!
 
hardnosepbg said:
If you are an Ecto like me, then i would cut the cardio down while trying to gain weight. If I am doing cardio, it seems my gains slow way down, and I am consuming 3500-4000 calories per day! I think as for supps you should stay with a combination protein mix(casien, whey, ect), creatine, and glut. I think you should also up the calories from 3000 to 3500-4000. That should get you growing. Also make sure you get enough rest. I think you should train for at least 2 years before starting anabolic androgenic steroids. If you must, it seems like 250-500 of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate would be best. If you do decide to go with AAS make sure you plan your PCT - post cycle therapy - as well!!
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Yeah I have been working out for the last 18 months, minus my injury where I took a few months off. Back on it now, just warming back up to my old routine. I was training for Triathlons and Duathlons the last few years so it was ruff keeping weight on while doing cardio like you said. Running seems to shred me even while eating mass cals I was losing weight (I knew I would). All my tri bro’s where hating on me for wanting to add muscle but I felt it built a great foundation and I was kicking their asses on the course. And they where Tri Sprints & Sprint Duathlons short course so lifting still ruled my world and the cardio has fizzled down to almost nothing. Just pure weights as of now and once I get my bloat back I will incorporate my light cardio. No more tri or duathlons for me… Anyone want to buy a really nice tri bike he he.

What’s your guy’s cardio schedule like while on a cycle, you said none, but do other quit cardio also? And you’re saying I can keep taking my creatine and glut why doing my cycle of test, what about Aminos? 4000+ cals, damn dude I already shit like 3 times a day!!! I have a good rest schedule, I get my eight hours and sit on a PC all day at work resting.

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Trizo said:
I did a bit of research, why do you think I am here =P. It was a great motivator... I was basically forcing myself at the start to keep motivated, keep dieting and lifting or it really felt like a waste of money. It worked, had I not spent the money I doubt I would have stuck with it. I see what you guys are saying, I’m sure the CEO’s wife at Muscle Tech is enjoying the new tits I bought her!
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New tits!!!! LOL.
 
Trizo said:
I’m a few months out from even doing a cycle. I’m taking that advice about getting up to my plateau again and see where I am at. I have never done a cycle and was all natural before, minus the shit you buy at SS & GNC.

I really could have been over training at the beginning, but was always careful and felt I had a good routine (was getting results). I used the routine from the Arnold Encyclopedia of body building, starting out beginner and working my way to the advanced 6 days a week. I have read both the first edition (10 years ago) and the second edition and found that to be all I need for laying out my routine. I don’t think I’m such a n00b that I’m clueless about my routine, eating and dieting. I just bought into the marketing of the major supplement companies. Did that help me gain? Maybe not physically but mentality I felt it was helping and kept me motivated to lift and stuff my face every day.

So I don’t need help with lifting or dieting… Just what cycle you recommend for a newbie gear user. And yes I am an ecto.
Thanks again !
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I think test is the best man. 250-500 mg /wk in the ass is great shit. more is not always better. i think you did great natty. just think of what you can do on the juice and with good PCT. PM needto to get some good PCT. he knows his shit.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Listen, most of us have been there before with wasting tons of money of useless products.... I know I'm guilty! Thank God I learned pretty quickly that companies like Muscle Tech churned out nothing but (expensive) crap. Even after weeding out all that junk, my "supplement shelf" still looks something like that between protein, creatine, NO2, vitamins, amino's.

My advice, as some others have pointed out, improve the diet. Increase the calories. Take only the basics for supplements. Also get bloodwork to see how you're doing on the inside. Get your testosterone levels checked....if you have difficulty maininting weight, you could very well be test-deficient... in that case all the training, food, and supplements can't help you (until you go on HRT that is).

Keep learning bro and good luck!
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I knew I could not have been the only one buying that shit, I’m just not sure people bought as much as I did. I was always worried about shit being discontinued so bought extra (dur duh der). Wish I would have found this place sooner, lesson learned!

I will check out the other post on blood testing, I skimmed it last night and had some killer info. I had planned on going in before my cycle and getting a test done to get a baseline for my levels, but will read more after work. Now do you tell your Dr. what your plan is? My Dr. is kind of an old dickhead, not sure what he will say.

Yeah, eat, eat eat!!! I will say I love to go grocery shopping, feels good putting all that healthy food in your cart while others load up on shit. But honestly it’s really hard for me to pound food nonstop, I’m a slow eater also and have a hard time but I do choke it down. I’m so sick of chicken and I do mix it up quite a bit with other meats, but still.

Although I feel BSN Nitrix and the NO Explode are awesome and want to keep taking both! But with both products, they say not to take glutamine with them. Should I just kill the Nitrix and NO and just hit the glutamine?

Thanks Njmg!
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SugarTits said:
I think test is the best man. 250-500 mg /wk in the ass is great shit. more is not always better. i think you did great natty. just think of what you can do on the juice and with good PCT - post cycle therapy - . PM needto to get some good PCT. he knows his shit.
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I have three cycles of Test & Unitren (I think that’s what it’s called) lined up with PCT also. I will have more info on brand and types after this weekend once I synch with my bro. I will go by all your recommendations, and if I say something totally retarded feel free to set me straight!

Thanks again guys for the kind words, encouragement and education!
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Trizo said:
I knew I could not have been the only one buying that shit, I’m just not sure people bought as much as I did. I was always worried about shit being discontinued so bought extra (dur duh der). Wish I would have found this place sooner, lesson learned!

I will check out the other post on blood testing, I skimmed it last night and had some killer info. I had planned on going in before my cycle and getting a test done to get a baseline for my levels, but will read more after work. Now do you tell your Dr. what your plan is? My Dr. is kind of an old dickhead, not sure what he will say.

Yeah, eat, eat eat!!! I will say I love to go grocery shopping, feels good putting all that healthy food in your cart while others load up on shit. But honestly it’s really hard for me to pound food nonstop, I’m a slow eater also and have a hard time but I do choke it down. I’m so sick of chicken and I do mix it up quite a bit with other meats, but still.

Although I feel BSN Nitrix and the NO Explode are awesome and want to keep taking both! But with both products, they say not to take glutamine with them. Should I just kill the Nitrix and NO and just hit the glutamine?

Thanks Njmg!
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I was taking NO Xplode and would mix 5g of glutamine and vege-greens with it - worked fine for me. I'm going to try just 1.5g Arginine AKG on top of the ECA stack and see how that works before working out.
 
Trizo said:
I will check out the other post on blood testing, I skimmed it last night and had some killer info. I had planned on going in before my cycle and getting a test done to get a baseline for my levels, but will read more after work. Now do you tell your Dr. what your plan is? My Dr. is kind of an old dickhead, not sure what he will say.

Although I feel BSN Nitrix and the NO Explode are awesome and want to keep taking both! But with both products, they say not to take glutamine with them. Should I just kill the Nitrix and NO and just hit the glutamine?

Thanks Njmg!
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Don't mention your cycle plans to the doctor, especially if he's old-world thinking. It will bias his opinions and possibly even the way he treats you.

Continue taking the Nitrix and NO Explode if they are helping you. I think they say not to take glutamine at the same time as those products because some amino's compete for absorption. So simply take your glutamine at other times, preferrably before bed.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Don't mention your cycle plans to the doctor, especially if he's old-world thinking. It will bias his opinions and possibly even the way he treats you.

Continue taking the Nitrix and NO Explode if they are helping you. I think they say not to take glutamine at the same time as those products because some amino's compete for absorption. So simply take your glutamine at other times, preferrably before bed.
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Yeah good call lol, I found this in another post yesterday - http://www.healthcheckusa.com/ and planned on using them.

Yeah it says right on the lable not to use glutamine while using Nitrix, but it was no specific to the times. Since im not taking NO or Nitrix at bedtime, I think it could workout ok. Thanks for the advice!!

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I think 18 months is short to jump into AAS but if you really want to go I`ll suggest an anavar(40mg E/D) only cycle ,no shutdown it`s mild and you`ll keep your gains .
 
josenunes said:
I think 18 months is short to jump into anabolic androgenic steroids but if you really want to go I`ll suggest an anavar(40mg E/D) only cycle ,no shutdown it`s mild and you`ll keep your gains .
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I can wait if it's the best thing for my body. I don't want to funk anything up. How long should I keep lifting for? I was able to get to 205 natural, i'm 185lbs now.

But I already have my gear lined up... If I wanted to wait, and had my gear... what's the best way to store it (if any) for max shelf life?

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Trizo said:
I can wait if it's the best thing for my body. I don't want to funk anything up. How long should I keep lifting for? I was able to get to 205 natural, i'm 185lbs now.

But I already have my gear lined up... If I wanted to wait, and had my gear... what's the best way to store it (if any) for max shelf life?

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I would wait for a year more pumping hard and with a lot of protein , creatine , glutamine and beta-alaine when you reach a weight plateu go for it .
your natural gains must be consistent for you to keep the aas gains
 
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