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novicebuilder

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Hi!

I am looking for advice on my first cycle. I am a 35 year old male, 5' 9" tall and weight around 155-160. I lifted briefly at 23, but it was just with a 110 lb set of free weights and a bench. I got frustrated after 2 months and literally no visible results. I'm looking to hit 170-185lbs and bulk up somewhat. I'm not looking to be Mr. Olympia or anything, but I would like to look as good as I can. I'd settle for looking like the solo-flex dude. My BMI is 24.

A friend of mine suggested Anadrol, but I'm leery of it after reading about it. I'm thinking of injectibles but I'm not sure which are best and what I need to buy with them to avoid making mistakes. I have decided to do this, but I want to do it right.

Thanks
 
good first cycle:

12 weeker...

500mg sustanon a week
20mg dbols (first 4 weeks, and last 4 weeks)
 
"I'd settle for looking like the solo-flex dude." - Years of training and flawless diet along with great genetics will get you looking like him, not steroids.

Do alot of research, Anadrol is very bad advice.
 
You should easily be able to hit 170-185 with out using gear.

Before you even think about doing gear you should make sure your work out and diet is correct. Gear will not just give you body you want you will have to work just as hard if not harder.

Once you have learned how to lift and eat right IF you have not reached your goals (and I still think they are VERY reachable naturally) then start researching gear.
 
"You should easily be able to hit 170-185 with out using gear."

Thanks for the advice, but I beg to differ. As I said, I have been thin all my life. Its very very hard for me to put on weight, even with no excercise and eating like a horse. "Gear" as you put it is all the hope I have left. You guys that can eat right and work out pretty hard and get results have no idea what its like to have a metabolism from hell or bad genetics. I just want to look and feel as good as I can with the least amount of risk.
 
There are millions of super-thin people who change their physiques every day through hard work and dedication. Gear is used to break genetic barries and limitation, not for an easy bulk.
 
novicebuilder said:
"You should easily be able to hit 170-185 with out using gear."

I just want to look and feel as good as I can with the least amount of risk.
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Then dont use gear.

You didn't say you have been lifting all your life. Rather, you said, "I lifted briefly at 23, but it was just with a 110 lb set of free weights and a bench." How much are you eating and WHAT are you eating? These play into whether or not you gain natually or even on gear. At least make sure you have all that undestood before you try a cycle.
 
Hey Ohashi, tell that to Lou Ferrigno. You don'r get results like he got in a month without gear. Period. Some people just need a boost to get started, I think. I'm going to stop arguing and just study. If I wanted to be preached to, I'd go to church.

Seeya!
 
Are you competeing professionally? No. So don't compare yourself to Lou. Stop looking for an easy way, and try working hard.
 
novicebuilder said:
"You should easily be able to hit 170-185 with out using gear."

Thanks for the advice, but I beg to differ. As I said, I have been thin all my life. Its very very hard for me to put on weight, even with no excercise and eating like a horse. "Gear" as you put it is all the hope I have left. You guys that can eat right and work out pretty hard and get results have no idea what its like to have a metabolism from hell or bad genetics. I just want to look and feel as good as I can with the least amount of risk.
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I am one of those people. I literaly have to eat all day to put on size. I have to eat 4-5k calories a day when not on cycle.

You said you tried working out for 2 monthes 12 years ago and gave up.
What are you going to when your Test doesn't kick in for 4-5 weeks?
 
BTW, thanks for the good advice I got. I will make sure that I

a) find out what types of foods to eat in what amounts
b) am doing the excercises correctly
c) join a gym and get a trainer
d) only cycle long enough to get results and get the rest honestly

thanks again.
 
Novice...don't be impatient. I was 140 at 24 and 6' tall. I was able through PROPER diet and PROPER lifting, to go up to 202 lbs within 4 years. I probably gained 30 lbs or so of lean mass, maybe even 40. It requires dedication. What are you going to do when your roid gains evaporate because you don't lift anyway?
 
read read read. While your getting your training and diet in check, do all the research you can. Try looking at the diet and training boards. As far as aas, you want to feel confident that you know everything there is to know about what aas is, what it will do to your body, what side effects it will have, what you will need to do to recover from your cycle...etc.

BTW: Anadrol is definately not a good choice. It is the most powerful steroid, but at the same time it's highly toxic, highly anabolic, and aromatizes easily which can result in gyno, and you will lose almost all that you gain after you discontiue use.

def: armoatize: converts to estrogen
gyno: see picture
 
ohashi said:
Are you competeing professionally? No. So don't compare yourself to Lou. Stop looking for an easy way, and try working hard.
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Heh, Lou started at 17 and wasn't competing professionally either. I think he just wanted to get laid at first. But that doesn't really matter. My point is that a lot of professionals started by taking steroids. Even Arnold. I'm not comparing myself to any of those guys. Simply stating a fact.

Look, I don't think that I have unreal expectations and I really do appreciate your advice. I understand that cycle or not, this is something that will take lots of hard work and sore muscles. The Solo Flex guy comment was not a serious one... I kinda thought it was funny.
 
BigB_79 said:
read read read. While your getting your training and diet in check, do all the research you can. Try looking at the diet and training boards. As far as aas, you want to feel confident that you know everything there is to know about what aas is, what it will do to your body, what side effects it will have, what you will need to do to recover from your cycle...etc.

BTW: Anadrol is definately not a good choice. It is the most powerful steroid, but at the same time it's highly toxic, highly anabolic, and aromatizes easily which can result in gyno, and you will lose almost all that you gain after you discontiue use.

def: armoatize: converts to estrogen
gyno: see picture
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Now this is advice I can follow. LOL. Thanks BigB_79. That picture is all I needed to seal it for anadrol. No thanks...as bad as I look skinny, that would be just plain rediculous looking.

I believe that orals are out for me due to the toxicity factor anyway. If you have any ideas or book recommendations to help me find these answers on my own, that would be great. In the meantime, I'll keep searching. I was hoping to get solid advice from those who have cycled successfully on the points you raised here.
 
novice:
i'm just about your same age and recently did my first cycle. i won't tell you to wait a few years because at our age that's fucking stupid. i would, however, recommend that you hang out on this board for a couple of months and read all you can before you make any decisions.

i agree with Satch on the Sustanon. it's not what i did but i wish i had. i'm not sure i would go 12 weeks right off the bat, though. i went 6 weeks on mine (Winny tabs and Test Prop) and recovery has been pretty easy. from what guys on here say, and it makes a lot of sense, recovery gets more difficult the older you get.
 
Thanks, nadr

I think that at 35, and as bad as I feel (tired lots, short-term memory issues, decreased sex drive and stamina, etc...) steroids are a reasonably safe option, and if I can do this properly, it could change my life for the better. I do know that to do nothing at all is no longer an option.

I will take your advice and continue to read and read and read before I do a cycle...if I do.
 
If you've made up your mind that your going to do a cycle then there is probably nothing anyone can say or do to stop you. If you do decide, stay away from orals for your first cycle and go with maybe 250mg-500mg of sustanon for 8-10wks. You might want to keep some anti-e's on hand in case of signs of gyno, but I doubt it at such a low dose of sust. Do some research on post cycle therapy. If you dont do anything post cycle, you will lose all you have worked for. Something cheap and easy is clomid, but there is depression and moodiness usually associated with it. Just do lots of research and you will be fine. Good luck with it.
 
Everyone was giving you solid advice...

"Work on your physique naturally for a while before you go for the juice."

I think that's great advice.


I personally have to get up in the middle of the night a few nights a week and eat if I want to start putting on some size/strength.


Hell, I've been at this for years and I just realized a few months ago that I don't get anywhere near the amount of potassium that the average bodybuilder/weightlifter should. That simple correction has started to push my lifts up.

The point is, most of these guys prolly spend more time planning their diets and training than they spend time with their wives/girlfriends. If you're not to that point in your bodybuilding career, AAS should be the last thing you should be worrying about.


But then again, what do I know...
 
You bet. I've given it lots of thought and have decided to wait a while on the roids. I began working out again today, and I'm going to keep reading and learning more. First thing is just to get off my ass and start excercising.

Thanks!
 
novicebuilder said:
Hi!

I am looking for advice on my first cycle. I am a 35 year old male, 5' 9" tall and weight around 155-160. I lifted briefly at 23, but it was just with a 110 lb set of free weights and a bench. I got frustrated after 2 months and literally no visible results. I'm looking to hit 170-185lbs and bulk up somewhat. I'm not looking to be Mr. Olympia or anything, but I would like to look as good as I can. I'd settle for looking like the solo-flex dude. My BMI is 24.

A friend of mine suggested Anadrol, but I'm leery of it after reading about it. I'm thinking of injectibles but I'm not sure which are best and what I need to buy with them to avoid making mistakes. I have decided to do this, but I want to do it right.

Thanks
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2 months huh! Wow! Thats a long time...NOT! I trained for 12 years before I started using. You have not payed your dues by a long shot! IMHO gear use should be used after you have put in your time...it should be earned. What will happen to you as you have no natural base all you gain will disapear in month after you stop. You are old enough to have developed some patience, now use it. Learn about nutrition, and training. Many people think they are eating to grow but after I prepare a meal plan for them they are like "holy shit! Thats a ton of food!" I then tell them I eat twice as much as that! Pay your dues and learn in the meantime.

Quad
 
I agree with quadsweep a weak foundation will only lead to injuries as you get stronger using gear-i trained over 30 yrs before i touched the stuff,hit the gym along with a sound program & the gains will come.only when you have reached a plateau and tried everything & i mean everything possible ,should gear be considered!I realise this is not what you want to hear,but there is no such thing as an easy way------quick to gain----quick to loose!


RADAR
 
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Quadsweep said:


2 months huh! Wow! Thats a long time...NOT! I trained for 12 years before I started using. You have not payed your dues by a long shot! IMHO gear use should be used after you have put in your time...it should be earned. What will happen to you as you have no natural base all you gain will disapear in month after you stop. You are old enough to have developed some patience, now use it. Learn about nutrition, and training. Many people think they are eating to grow but after I prepare a meal plan for them they are like "holy shit! Thats a ton of food!" I then tell them I eat twice as much as that! Pay your dues and learn in the meantime.

Quad
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you are the man ! could not have been said better
 
RADAR said:
I agree with quadsweep a weak foundation will only lead to injuries as you get stronger using gear-i trained over 30 yrs before i touched the stuff,hit the gym along with a sound program & the gains will come.only when you have reached a plateau and tried everything & i mean everything possible ,should gear be considered!I realise this is not what you want to hear,but there is no such thing as an easy way------quick to gain----quick to loose!


RADAR
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As I said earlier, you guys are right. You're making sense. I got some bad advice, and was blind-sighted by the promise of huge gains in record time. At first, I was reluctant to listen to the better advice I was getting, but after a while reality set in thanks to you guys. Some of you were a little harsh, I think...but you talked me out of it... Let's get healthy and see what hapens after that.

Thanks!
 
glad to see you decided to wait a lil on the gear
keep at it in the gym
Anabolics '02 might be a good book for you
 
I don't want to contradict what most have been saying and encourage you to get your diet and workout habits in check as well as proper research of AAS. However, myself being an ectomorph with an extremely fast metabolism I have been in your shoes. I had been training for 8 years naturally before using roids and at 6' I was 155lbs @ 6%BF (without any cardio). I would eat 4-5000 calories per day and simply could gain weight, rather I seemed to get leaner!. I did my first cycle at age 25 consisting of sustanon 500mg/week for 8 weeks and gained 30lbs. 2 years later I am now 200lbs 10% BF and have been holding my weight now that I currently off. Just wanted to share with you my experience...AAS can definitely give you a good kickstart (assuming everything else is in place). At any rate good luck!
 
About that potassium thing...I don't want to make it sound like I've turned my life around from a couple of bananas a day.

Potassium (and sodium) help to maintain fluid balance in and around cells. I think the balance of the two helps to transmit nerve impulses for proper muscle contraction and they aid in protein and carb metabolism.

After I added the amount of potassium I ate over the course of a typical day, like a can of tuna or a Mass Recovery(from ABB), I was eating less than 2 grams a day. For bodybuilders the recommended was something like over 3.5 grams a day.

Since I never really ate fresh fruits or vegetables, I decided it was time to rethink that strategy and at the least, have a 2 or 3 bananas a day.

With just that change in my diet, my strength gains started to climb again. Nothing amazing, but at least I'm on the up again, instead of remaining stagnant forever.
 
I too am one of those people with "weak" genetics. I graduated high school at 130. After 3 years in the Marine Corps with rigorous training I was at my heaviest...160. I blew out my knee and dropped the weight faster than an ethiopian on crack. When I got out I started to hit the gym as often as I could but couldnt manage to regain the weight. Fast forward to 2 weeks agao....I started my first cycle of Sus 300, 250 mg E4D and as of 2 days ago I was sitting at 182. Of course when I started, I was at 170 and since then I've bumped my meals per day to between 6 and 8 and upped my protein to 200 per day from protein shakes and whatever I get from my other meals. Hope I helped!
 
I agree with the guys on the post do lots of research work out hard and if your still interested in taking A.S. try taking deca for your first cycle to see if you like it.
 
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