Newb needs solid advice!!

[pit1776]

Hello to everyone!

I am a newbie and this is my very first post but I have been looking at this site and its forums and a while and am glad to be a part of it.

First off I am active in the military and get randomly drug tested so please answer if you know anyting about that and if the following supps will pop on a random standard urine test?

I am almost 30 yrs old and have been training for 10 years, I weigh almost 200 lbs and eat about 2300 calories a day with lots of proteins and healthy eating.

I have never done a real cycle but tried Mdrol for a while and got absolutely nothing out of it, since I am getting older I have come to the conclusion that I need to turn to gear, which after doing lots of research, do not believe it is dangerous as long as used correctly.

Now for my first cycle I want to go all oral as I am not ready to inject but understand I will have to at some point so plan on keeping out the test which I know all will recommend.

What would be better to cut fat, harden up and gain solid lean muscle mass. Strenght and endurace are more important to me and being big because I do alot of cardio.

The next most important thing to me is KEEPING MY GAINS, I do not want to lose what I work for so what would be a better first all oral stack... anavar/Clen or winstrol/Clen followed by a good PCT?

Also, I have never thought much of legal/herbal supplements and thought they were garbage but am now reconsidering after seeing a lot of people on this site talking them up and saying that actually work and get good gains.

So what do you guys think about anavar/winstrol compared to helladrol/epi-strong/anabeta elite/ DAA's/ or kata? What would be better for a first stack and what will I get the most out of... steroid or one of these supplement stacks?

Also if you recommend going with the legal supps, can you please recommend a good stack? i plan on running an 8 wk cycle starting in the next few months... AFTER i finish researching everything and finally decide what to settle on.

I know most newbs get beat up pretty bad but understand this is part of my research and I am not going to cycle for a while and will take what you guys say seriously so experienced people please help with real advice.
Thanks a lot guys!!

 

[dylangemelli]

Hello to everyone!

I am a newbie and this is my very first post but I have been looking at this site and its forums and a while and am glad to be a part of it.

First off I am active in the military and get randomly drug tested so please answer if you know anyting about that and if the following supps will pop on a random standard urine test?

I am almost 30 yrs old and have been training for 10 years, I weigh almost 200 lbs and eat about 2300 calories a day with lots of proteins and healthy eating.

I have never done a real cycle but tried Mdrol for a while and got absolutely nothing out of it, since I am getting older I have come to the conclusion that I need to turn to gear, which after doing lots of research, do not believe it is dangerous as long as used correctly.

Now for my first cycle I want to go all oral as I am not ready to inject but understand I will have to at some point so plan on keeping out the test which I know all will recommend.

What would be better to cut fat, harden up and gain solid lean muscle mass. Strenght and endurace are more important to me and being big because I do alot of cardio.

The next most important thing to me is KEEPING MY GAINS, I do not want to lose what I work for so what would be a better first all oral stack... anavar/Clen or winstrol/Clen followed by a good PCT?

Also, I have never thought much of legal/herbal supplements and thought they were garbage but am now reconsidering after seeing a lot of people on this site talking them up and saying that actually work and get good gains.

So what do you guys think about anavar/winstrol compared to helladrol/epi-strong/anabeta elite/ DAA's/ or kata? What would be better for a first stack and what will I get the most out of... steroid or one of these supplement stacks?

Also if you recommend going with the legal supps, can you please recommend a good stack? i plan on running an 8 wk cycle starting in the next few months... AFTER i finish researching everything and finally decide what to settle on.

I know most newbs get beat up pretty bad but understand this is part of my research and I am not going to cycle for a while and will take what you guys say seriously so experienced people please help with real advice.
Thanks a lot guys!!

I have ran everything you have listed and to be honest with you, i like winstrol the best... That is going to be dependent on whether you get the sides associated with it or not... I LOVE anavar but anavar can give terrible pumps when running and its definitely not as strong as winstrol... The one thing with winstrol is it can cause more sides... If your prone to hair loss then it can be a problem and it can definitely dry you out but your cardio will be better on winnstrol than it will be on anavar... They are both great but I would go with winstrol... you can run it 6 weeks at 50 mg day...

1-6 winstrol 50 mg day
1-6 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 n2guard
1-6 hcgenerate

you could add katandrol along with it and that would be a nice addition... its non methylated and is not harsh...

1-6 katanadrol 3 caps a day

i would also recommend need2slin and creatine nitrate...

pct 7-10

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com

Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH test INFUSION AND FORGED POST cycle AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[pit1776]

I have ran everything you have listed and to be honest with you, i like winstrol the best... That is going to be dependent on whether you get the sides associated with it or not... I LOVE anavar but anavar can give terrible pumps when running and its definitely not as strong as winstrol... The one thing with winstrol is it can cause more sides... If your prone to hair loss then it can be a problem and it can definitely dry you out but your cardio will be better on winnstrol than it will be on anavar... They are both great but I would go with winstrol... you can run it 6 weeks at 50 mg day...

1-6 winstrol 50 mg day
1-6 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 n2guard
1-6 hcgenerate

you could add katandrol along with it and that would be a nice addition... its non methylated and is not harsh...

1-6 katanadrol 3 caps a day

i would also recommend need2slin and creatine nitrate...

pct 7-10

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com

Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH test INFUSION AND FORGED POST cycle AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Wow man thanks a lot thats awesome advice brother!

Ok so heres a couple more questions, I am not totally sure about the winny I would be getting and if I am not totally sure about it then I will not go for that and will have to stick with the legal stuff. So if thats the case then what do you think would be the best stack out of the supplements I listed that would help me cut fat and gain lean muscle and actually retain it?

Another question about the PCT, I should start the PCT immediately following my cycle and not break a couple weeks and then begin as with test cycles?

Thanks

 

[dylangemelli]

Wow man thanks a lot thats awesome advice brother!

Ok so heres a couple more questions, I am not totally sure about the winny I would be getting and if I am not totally sure about it then I will not go for that and will have to stick with the legal stuff. So if thats the case then what do you think would be the best stack out of the supplements I listed that would help me cut fat and gain lean muscle and actually retain it?

Another question about the PCT, I should start the PCT immediately following my cycle and not break a couple weeks and then begin as with test cycles?

Thanks

helladrol and katanadrol stacked... you run pct right after it ends... you would only delay pct on a cycle where you were running longer esters and allowing them to clear...

 

[pit1776]

Ok sounds good, if thats what you recommend then I will go with... but is that stack better than epi-strong? I only ask because a ton of people have been talking it up.

Also, what do you think about throwing in some GW-50 or HCGenerate?

 

[pit1776]

8 week cycle
Wk 1-8 helladrol/katanadrol/gear/DAA/HCgenerate
Wk 9 & 10 unleashed/liv52/post cycle
Wk 11 & 12 unleashed/liv52/post cycle… add in BRIDGE these 2 wks and continue 2 more wks through 13 & 14

This is what I am thinking about doing for a cycle... what do you think? Do you think I should start the BRIDGE right away on wk 9 or wait a couple weeks like I have hear?

 

[pit1776]

What about adding GW-50 for endurance?

 

[kmoe4747]

Before you start AAS I would consider looking at Mr supps and NTBM. I say this only because you have never tried any supplements from what I understand. You might get great gains with a natural fat burner or pre workout or some of the creatines on there. I would just try this first before going straight to AAS oral only cycle. Just my two cents

Oh and from what my brother tells me (active SF 3rd group) if they get suspicious like if you blow up then yes they will test you. Special forces are a little more laxed on what they can get away with but they mentioned it to him a few times because he blew up on his first deployment and your suppose to lose weight whey our over there! Dude looked like a monster at 6 4. 255 with a 6 inch beard lol

 

[kmoe4747]

I knew this looked familiar. You started another thread asking about this cycle haha I thought I was going crazy

 

[pit1776]

Ok thanks guys.... doing doing some good research like anyone would but since I am in the military even if I only use totally legal products I am still worried they might try and slam me or have something test as a false positive for gear but after all the advice, research, and debate I will be sticking with protein for now.. I guess its all natural for me!

Thanks for the advice