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Hello EF members,

I wanted to give you guys a quick sneak peak for what we have planned for the 1st of the year…

Dermacrine Sustain, now Sustain Alpha: New ingredients working in synergy to make the existing formula more effective. This new Sustain Alpha uses aromatic oils to elicit a massive surge of L/H from the pituitary to stimulate testosterone production from the testes. These oils actually dissolve and enter your brain when you smell them, triggering this boost of testosterone. Primordial Performance also took things one step further by making another addition with the ingredient Diallyl Disulfide. This unique little molecule further catalyzes the L/H pulse and testosterone increase. The combo is nothing short of remarkable, and the name for the new revised product fits accordingly – Sustain Alpha.
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Phyto Testosterone: The name says it all, this plant based substance effects our body in every way like the real anabolic monster -- Testosterone. You have probably heard of all the “Phyto-Estrogens” that pollute our food and water, and have negative estrogen-like effects on our bodies, well now Phyto-Testosterone is here to sway the balance. We deliver this cutting edge product with our oral Phospholipid Delivery Matrix, which increases bioavailability and gets more Phyto-Test into your system.

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Toco-8: This is a Tocotrienol complex extracted from palm fruits. It will be a powder that can be mixed into your favorite drink or shake. Recently, it has been granted a US patent for stopping hair loss and promoting hair regrowth. It also has powerful effects in lower bad cholesterol, and increasing Testosterone production by increasing testicular sensitivity to L/H and F/S/H.

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Primordial Essentials Product Line: Throughout 2008 we will be introducing our new Primordial Essentials Product Line. These will be economically priced essential products that are designed to be taken long term for enhanced health and fitness. The first, Toco-8, will be launched in early 2008, additional products will be regularly added to this section.

New Pricing Structure: Through Referring members, making purchases, and gaining recognition on our Forum you will earn Primordial Rankings. With each tier you will get better discounts. On top of this, when you make referrals you will earn product credit to be used on our site.

Come check out the new products and new website upgrades in the beginning of 08!

Stay tuned…

-Pp
 
Whoa that first one looks awesome.

I admit I was skeptical about Pp when he first arrived, but the lab tests I had before and after using his product showed it worked just as he said it would.

08 looks like it is going to be a great year.
 
They look like they're effective products and not just hype.
 
Looks real good. I'll be looking to get that new Sustain. and at 42 yrs old, anything that helps hair loss is of interest to me :D
 
I've always wanted to try out Dermacrine Sustain, with the new one out! I have to try it for sure now.
 
I just finished my bottle of dermacrine and now started the sustain and love them..I am planning of ordering more, so i guess it will be the new ones....by the way..just a pre warning, dont put on the dermacrine and then go tanning later in the day...lol..I felt like I was on fire on my shoulders and chest...haha..lesson learned on that one...
 
Looks awesome!
 
AAP said:
Whoa that first one looks awesome.

I admit I was skeptical about Pp when he first arrived, but the lab tests I had before and after using his product showed it worked just as he said it would.

08 looks like it is going to be a great year.
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I concur ;)
 
hurricane187 said:
hows does toco-8 compare to duta or MINOXIDIL
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Patent# 7,211,274 states that the average increase in the number of hairs per 2x2 cm area increased by an average of 42%. (Mean SD) This sounds very impressive to me compared to prescriptions drugs.

Toco-8 is a totally natural vitamin derivative from palm fruits so there are none of the kinds of side effects you would see with durasteride. The side effects from toco-8 are actually healthy… we are talking about an ability of this stuff to actual scrape and clean the atherosclerotic plaque from arteries… one of the very few nutrients that can actually do this.

-Pp
 
Jumpmaster82 said:
so how does that phyto test compare to dermacrine?
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The Phyto-Test beats the Dermacrine for solid muscle gains, but the Dermacrine probably still provides a stronger mental edge and quicker strength gains. The combo would be great since they both work by slightly different mechanisms.

-Pp
 
JeremyD said:
Tell us more about these aromatic oils. I'm intrigued...
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Yes, the naturally extracted volatile oils are very cool. They immediately evaporate upon topical application and become naturally drawn up into the nasal cavity (also absorbed topically). Once these airborne oil molecules dissolve upon the olfactory bulb, they are carried through the nasal mucosa where they reach the hypothalamus and pituitary for direct modulation of hormone production. This is the science behind the medical practices of the ancient civilizations that applied aromatic oils from herbs such as Clary Sage and Sandalwood to heighten a man’s fertility and libido.

We have our in-house blood tests, but the results were so far off the charts that we believe there may have been some residual contamination, so we have to find new testers and retest. Either way, we are confident that this new version of Sustain is very potent, and long overdue.

-Pp
 
Phyto-Test sounds cool. How long till you have all of this stuff in the store?
 
hairloss sounds exciting ... although duta pretty much stops hairloss.. its not the greatest for hair regrowth
 
Primordial Performance said:
1st of the year.

Now if I could only get that NL.... :)

-Pp
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Your product presentation is top notch mang...


How are we to measure the Phyto-Testosterone doses? Does it come with a dropper? Why didn't you make it a topical instead of putting it through digestion?
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Your product presentation is top notch mang...


How are we to measure the Phyto-Testosterone doses? Does it come with a dropper? Why didn't you make it a topical instead of putting it through digestion?
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The Phyto-Test and Toco-8 will both include a measuring spoon.

We didnt make either of these products topical because of the natural botanical nature of the active compounds. There are lots of complex larger molecular weight compounds that just wouldnt work for TD delivery. Plus the phyto-test has the consistency and taste of maple syrup... probably not something you want on your skin. ;-}

-Pp
 
This is all new to me. I will be looking into it all though. Sounds interesting. I know I love dermacrine and dermacrine sustain,but thats all I know right now.
 
Mr. Black said:
PP do you have any before/after blood testing data of subjects using the Sustain Alpha?
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I don't believe any of this stuff works like taking real testosterone, but I'd be glad to be their guniea pig and have my t-levels tested and if the stuff is legit, I'll taut them everywhere I go and they'll get alot of business... Otherwise, I say hogwash.
 
biteme said:
I don't believe any of this stuff works like taking real testosterone, but I'd be glad to be their guniea pig and have my t-levels tested and if the stuff is legit, I'll taut them everywhere I go and they'll get alot of business... Otherwise, I say hogwash.
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The Phyto-Test wont really increase your total T, but it will increase your free T levels. It will work directly on the androgen receptor for its muscle building effects, which should be comparable to about 400-500mg/week Testosterone, which would be about 8-10 lbs of lean mass in 4-6 weeks for most guys.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
The Phyto-Test wont really increase your total T, but it will increase your free T levels. It will work directly on the androgen receptor for its muscle building effects, which should be comparable to about 400-500mg/week Testosterone, which would be about 8-10 lbs of lean mass in 4-6 weeks for most guys.

-Pp
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I tell you what. If it worked that well, I would know it because I'm very consistent in what I do. I've never taken 400-500 mgs of test on a regular basis, but with a slighter lesser amount, I was able to gain significant muscle over time and maintain it.... If I tried your product, I would certainly know if it works with all the experience I have.... Use me as a testing subject and if it works, you will get more business without a doubt.
 
biteme said:
I tell you what. If it worked that well, I would know it because I'm very consistent in what I do. I've never taken 400-500 mgs of test on a regular basis, but with a slighter lesser amount, I was able to gain significant muscle over time and maintain it.... If I tried your product, I would certainly know if it works with all the experience I have.... Use me as a testing subject and if it works, you will get more business without a doubt.
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Im sure we could work something out. How long since you've been on cycle?

-Pp
 
Hey PP, any studies to back up this Phyto Test product? It sounds interesting to me, especially since so many gear shops are bein shut down.
 
D_Mac said:
Hey PP, any studies to back up this Phyto Test product? It sounds interesting to me, especially since so many gear shops are bein shut down.
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Here is a human study for one of the main ingredients (Testofen) showing a significant improvement in body composition (muscle gain & fat loss) and free T levels.

-Pp
 
hey may be to early to tell but can we expect hair growth .. in the hairline area with this new product? might be to early to tell but just wondering
 
Primordial Performance said:
Here is a human study for one of the main ingredients (Testofen) showing a significant improvement in body composition (muscle gain & fat loss) and free T levels.

-Pp
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does this have to be cycled like dermacrine ..4 weeks on and off?
 
Primordial Performance said:
Im sure we could work something out. How long since you've been on cycle?

-Pp
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I'm constantly on a high HRT dose that varies between 250 mgs and 350 mgs a week... If I came off, I would begin to lose at about 6 weeks and it would progress from there. Gotta go workout! I could come off my HRT and try your product and if it works as good as what I do now, EVERYONE will know.
 
biteme said:
I'm constantly on a high HRT dose that varies between 250 mgs and 350 mgs a week... If I came off, I would begin to lose at about 6 weeks and it would progress from there. Gotta go workout! I could come off my HRT and try your product and if it works as good as what I do now, EVERYONE will know.
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Why not stay consistent with what you’re on now and incorporate the Phyto-Test into the HRT to see if you notice additional gains?

hurricane187,

Yes, we would recommend a cycle of 6-8 weeks with 4-6 weeks off in between each cycle

-Pp
 
I know more then a few guys on this site love using reg dermacrine with there hrt or as a
kind of hrt of its own. How will this new product stack up against the reg dermacrine which seems to be a crowed fave. Also do you think the two products together would make a great mix.
 
Man.......I just went to PP to order the Phyto Test and Toco 8. I guess I should have read your post a little better. Not available until early 2008??? Do you need some pre release Lab Rats??? Thanks for all the Innovation. You guys and Omega are on the Cutting edge of Supplement industry and I am happy to help support it. Peace
 
With all the new supps available lately, only a retard can have a failed PCT. These are great new products!! There will be a day where drugs are not necessary anymore. We are far from there, but on the right track.
 
I'm not familiar with PP or Omega products yet, but soon will be. :)

I've seen alot of guys on here using Post-Cycle & Unleashed, as well as quite a few who use Dermacrine or Dermacrine Sustain. My question is this, do products like PP's Dermacrine Sustain & Phyto-Test compliment or replace Omega's Post-Cycle & Unleashed for Post Cycle Therapy? In other words, do you do one or the other....or incorporate some of both, etc?
 
slamminshaun said:
I'm not familiar with PP or Omega products yet, but soon will be. :)

I've seen alot of guys on here using Post-Cycle & Unleashed, as well as quite a few who use Dermacrine or Dermacrine Sustain. My question is this, do products like PP's Dermacrine Sustain & Phyto-Test compliment or replace Omega's Post-Cycle & Unleashed for Post Cycle Therapy? In other words, do you do one or the other....or incorporate some of both, etc?
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I think those are Nelsons products, and yes you can use Sustain with the Unleased or Post cycle for PCT.

BTW, The new Sustain Alpha is ready to ship now. We just havent updated the website yet. So any orders placed for Dermacrine Sustain will be getting the new Sustain Alpha.

-Pp
 
needtogetaas said:
I know more then a few guys on this site love using reg dermacrine with there hrt or as a
kind of hrt of its own. How will this new product stack up against the reg dermacrine which seems to be a crowed fave. Also do you think the two products together would make a great mix.
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needtogetaas said:
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Dermacrine will still be king for a quick mental and stength edge, but the Phyto-Test will provide a much stronger anabolic effect for packing on lean mass. So you could look at the stack of Dermacrine and Phyto-Testing being the perfect androgenic/anabolic combination for some very quality gains.

Phyto-Test might be used by some HRT guys to help free up some bound test, since it can offset T from SHBG, thus increasing free active test.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Dermacrine will still be king for a quick mental and stength edge, but the Phyto-Test will provide a much stronger anabolic effect for packing on lean mass. So you could look at the stack of Dermacrine and Phyto-Testing being the perfect androgenic/anabolic combination for some very quality gains.

Phyto-Test might be used by some HRT guys to help free up some bound test, since it can offset T from sex hormone binding globulin , thus increasing free active test.

-Pp
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so a stack of dermacrine reg and Phyto-Test could be used as bridge between cycles,or as something people could look into before aas use? It could also be used as a type of hrt for people that cant get or are not ready to get on hrt?

I am 100% honest with my bro's on ef. I have not yet used this Phyto-Test product and I don't know any one that has yet, But going on past experence
from products you put the pp name on I am very hopeful and look forward to hearing from guys using it.
 
Primordial Performance said:
I think those are Nelsons products, and yes you can use Sustain with the Unleased or Post cycle for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - .

BTW, The new Sustain Alpha is ready to ship now. We just havent updated the website yet. So any orders placed for Dermacrine Sustain will be getting the new Sustain Alpha.

-Pp
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Great, but can you also combine Sustain and Unleashed with your new Phyto-Test as well for a triple punch? Will this "stack" provide anymore firepower? I'm considering doing something like this before getting into the "real thing", as Needto suggested as an option above.
 
slamminshaun said:
Great, but can you also combine Sustain and Unleashed with your new Phyto-Test as well for a triple punch? Will this "stack" provide anymore firepower? I'm considering doing something like this before getting into the "real thing", as Needto suggested as an option above.
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Make it dermacrine reg for 4 weeks and now you are talking a good test boost.
 
slamminshaun said:
Great, but can you also combine Sustain and Unleashed with your new Phyto-Test as well for a triple punch? Will this "stack" provide anymore firepower? I'm considering doing something like this before getting into the "real thing", as Needto suggested as an option above.
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Yes, to needto's question and yours.

None of the ingredients in Unleased or Sustain cross over with Phyto-Test, and all products would likely have a synergistic effect. The Phyto-Testosterone would provide a much needed boost in nitrogen retention and protein synthesis and this would complement virtualy any cycle or supplement stack.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Yes, to needto's question and yours.

None of the ingredients in Unleased or Sustain cross over with Phyto-Test, and all products would likely have a synergistic effect. The Phyto-Testosterone would provide a much needed boost in nitrogen retention and protein synthesis and this would complement virtualy any cycle or supplement stack.

-Pp
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Starting to sound really good here. Is there any reading material you can give us on the ingredients of this product. :)
 
needtogetaas said:
Starting to sound really good here. Is there any reading material you can give us on the ingredients of this product. :)
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Here is a post I made on AM a little earlier >

Phyto-Test will be a combo of Testofen and methoxyisoflavone delivered in a very cool serum like formula that tastes oddly close to maple syrup. (without any flavoring added)

The action of Testofen (despite what most think) is that is acts directly on the AR receptor, and as far as we can tell is every bit as potent as testosterone for inducing muscle growth. The study done by Gencor on mice showed that it made the levitor ani and sexual organs grow just as much as the testosterone group, and considerably more than the control group. (all groups were castrated)

The Methoxyisoflavone is not directly acting on the AR, but we believe there is some receptor ligand cross talk. For instance, if high estrogen levels are present this flavone will potentate the effects, but if no estrogen is present that the flavone has no estrogenic activity… this same action can explain its anabolic effects.
 
Is this Methoxyisoflavone any different than the ones currently sold in stores? i have not heard one person say it has done anything for them.
 
lartinos said:
Is this Methoxyisoflavone any different than the ones currently sold in stores? i have not heard one person say it has done anything for them.
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We are including 800mg per serving in a highly bio-available oral serum. This is a hefty dose and about 5x more than 90% of the methoxy products on the market. It’s going to kick ass.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
You bet. We are picking up an AUS distributor too, so that will get you a bit faster service and way cheaper shipping.

-Pp
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good to hear, be sure to fill me in on who the distributor will be

cheers
 
Primordial Performance said:
We are including 800mg per serving in a highly bio-available oral serum. This is a hefty dose and about 5x more than 90% of the methoxy products on the market. It’s going to kick ass.

-Pp
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I must say I absolutely love how you put the actives in a phospholipid matrix. There seems to be a ton of good data out there showing improved absorption using phospholipids and it surprises me nobody else uses this....and it doesnt surprise me that you would. :beer:
 
Mr. Black said:
If one was so inclined, would there be any issues to staying on the Phyto-Tes permanently?
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All I can say is that there have never been any side effects documented to suggest you shouldnt. We say cycle it just to be on the safe side.

Im trying to get the AUS distributor to carry it... we will see.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
All I can say is that there have never been any side effects documented to suggest you shouldnt. We say cycle it just to be on the safe side.

Im trying to get the AUS distributor to carry it... we will see.

-Pp
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Is it as suppressive as Test? How do enzymes affect it?
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Is it as suppressive as Test? How do enzymes affect it?
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There is a possibility that it is suppressive, but we don’t know for sure, and the data weve seen says that it has no effect on total T levels. For now I would assume it has neither a positive or negative effect on T levels. (besides its effect on increasing free T)

The best way to describe Phyto-Test is as a muscle building testosterone mimicker to compliment either a pro-hormone or testosterone boosting cycle. (Dermacrine + Phyto or Sustian + Phyto)

-Pp
 
Ok, I'm sold. How much will Phyto-Test be? I didn't see that addressed in the thread anywhere so I figured I'd ask. Oh, and will it be available Jan 1st or sometime after?
 
slamminshaun said:
Ok, I'm sold. How much will Phyto-Test be? I didn't see that addressed in the thread anywhere so I figured I'd ask. Oh, and will it be available Jan 1st or sometime after?
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lol.

It will be $59 for a 30 day supply and it will be available in the first part of the year, hopefully by the 4th. (we are having a couple web development hold ups…)

Also, keep an eye out for an EF special offer.

-Pp
 
sweet, i'm thinking a phyto-test/ dermacrine stack will start the year off good. I love the aggression and sex drive from dermacrine, and if the phyto-T is as good as u say then that will give some serious muscle gains.

not sure if this was already asked but if the phyto test lasts 30 days how much test per week would that be equivalent to? And are you saying this stuiff is going to be as potent as Test for muscle growth? Also, any reason not to take more than the standard dose?
 
D_Mac said:
sweet, i'm thinking a phyto-test/ dermacrine stack will start the year off good. I love the aggression and sex drive from dermacrine, and if the phyto-T is as good as u say then that will give some serious muscle gains.

not sure if this was already asked but if the phyto test lasts 30 days how much test per week would that be equivalent to? And are you saying this stuiff is going to be as potent as Test for muscle growth? Also, any reason not to take more than the standard dose?
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The full dose of Phyto-Test should be comparable to 300-500mg/test for most guys. Ive never seen any data on doses higher than the amount in a standard dose of phtyo-test... so I guess we will have to let the hardcore dudes give it a try. ;-)

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
The full dose of Phyto-Test should be comparable to 300-500mg/test for most guys. Ive never seen any data on doses higher than the amount in a standard dose of phtyo-test... so I guess we will have to let the hardcore dudes give it a try. ;-)

-Pp
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whoa comparable to 300-500mg test and no need to a post cycle? no need to come off? big statements .. if hold true u deff have a killer product
 
hurricane187 said:
whoa comparable to 300-500mg test and no need to a post cycle? no need to come off? big statements .. if hold true u deff have a killer product
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We dont know its long-term effect on T production so we do recommend you cycle it in 4-8 week cycles.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
We dont know its long-term effect on T production so we do recommend you cycle it in 4-8 week cycles.

-Pp
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so it could possibly have short term shutdown as well though too?......
Good post cycle supp?
 
lartinos said:
so it could possibly have short term shutdown as well though too?......
Good post cycle supp?
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Possible I suppose, but I’ve been told by the manufacturer of Testofen that it did not effect total T levels during the 6 week human study.

Again, Phyto-Test is not designed to increase T production. It works by mimicking Testosterone and making T do a better job at building muscle. So it could help preserve gains post cycle, but it wouldn’t function by stimulating T production like Sustain.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Possible I suppose, but I’ve been told by the manufacturer of Testofen that it did not effect total T levels during the 6 week human study.

Again, Phyto-Test is not designed to increase T production. It works by mimicking Testosterone and making T do a better job at building muscle. So it could help preserve gains post cycle, but it wouldn’t function by stimulating T production like Sustain.

-Pp
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So wait, are you saying it works just like testosterone having a direct effect on muscle growth, or are you saying it just makes your own testosterone more effective?... or both?

It sounds like your saying both, i just want to make sure I am getting it right.
 
D_Mac said:
So wait, are you saying it works just like testosterone having a direct effect on muscle growth, or are you saying it just makes your own testosterone more effective?... or both?

It sounds like your saying both, i just want to make sure I am getting it right.
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Yes, both.

-Pp
 
hey man im bout to finish a cycle of dermacrine .. should i take a break before trying this? or not a problem?
 
hurricane187 said:
hey man im bout to finish a cycle of dermacrine .. should i take a break before trying this? or not a problem?
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what the new sustain alpha. No you can take this right after your reg sustain. In fact its a good way to cycle on and of the reg derma.
 
nah the phyto-test .. i still got a bottle of derma sus layin around
 
I'm very eager to hear feedback on the testofen/methoxy. I think I will run derma sustain and post cycle with nolva and then maybe try testofen/methoxy after. At this point it seems too good to be true, but I honestly was extremely questionable of sustain before i tried it and I was very very satisfied with it.
 
lartinos said:
I'm very eager to hear feedback on the testofen/methoxy. I think I will run derma sustain and post cycle with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and then maybe try testofen/methoxy after. At this point it seems too good to be true, but I honestly was extremely questionable of sustain before i tried it and I was very very satisfied with it.
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I was the same when derma came to town. I can't say much about all the new products as I have not used them, but I will. When I do then I will talk more on them.
 
Pp, how does phyto-test make our own Testosterone more effective at building muscle?


Does it free up more of our own Testosterone or something?



And can you give me some info on the CLA Ethyl Ester?


Those are some pretty serious claims about dramtically improving body comp, reducing actual fat cells, and preventing fat storage. Sounds like a miracle.


Isnt this just essentially CLA?


Thanks!
 
lol.

SuperOne said:
Pp, how does phyto-test make our own Testosterone more effective at building muscle?


Does it free up more of our own Testosterone or something?



And can you give me some info on the CLA Ethyl Ester?


Those are some pretty serious claims about dramtically improving body comp, reducing actual fat cells, and preventing fat storage. Sounds like a miracle.


Isnt this just essentially CLA?


Thanks!
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Yes it is just CLA, in an oil form acceptable for drinking.

I believe CLA is a miracle if you take enough. There are dozens of studies that show is has a significant effect on dropping body fat and preserving lean muscle at 5gm/ED. More info on that soon…

Phyto-Test has one flavone that amplifies the effects of hormones by augmenting the effects at the binding receptor (without having any intrinsic hormonal activity by itself). There is an ingredient that does free up bound test by offsetting SHBG, but that is a separate action.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
lol.



Yes it is just CLA, in an oil form acceptable for drinking.

I believe CLA is a miracle if you take enough. There are dozens of studies that show is has a significant effect on dropping body fat and preserving lean muscle at 5gm/ED. More info on that soon…

Phyto-Test has one flavone that amplifies the effects of hormones by augmenting the effects at the binding receptor (without having any intrinsic hormonal activity by itself). There is an ingredient that does free up bound test by offsetting sex hormone binding globulin , but that is a separate action.

-Pp
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How many mg per serving of your CLA? I'm taking one currently that's 1,000mg, and I take 5 per day, one with each meal.
 
slamminshaun said:
How many mg per serving of your CLA? I'm taking one currently that's 1,000mg, and I take 5 per day, one with each meal.
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You will get 2860mg of actual CLA in each serving. (60 servings per bottle, for a months supply)

-Pp
 
Are all your your new products available now?


Was thinking of trying out the Phyto Test, Taco-8, and CLA.



If i were to run a 8 week cycle of Anavar, would running Taco-8 throughout the cycle and after for PCT be enough to keep my Lipids healthy or do i need something else? Ive read Var can be pretty shitty on lipids.


Thanks.
 
SuperOne said:
Are all your your new products available now?


Was thinking of trying out the Phyto Test, Taco-8, and CLA.
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It looks like all three are available on the website now. CLA does not yet have a write up however you can still place it in your cart.

Btw it's "Toco" not "Taco".....lol, food on your mind?
 
SuperOne said:
Are all your your new products available now?


Was thinking of trying out the Phyto Test, Taco-8, and CLA.



If i were to run a 8 week cycle of Anavar, would running Taco-8 throughout the cycle and after for PCT - post cycle therapy - be enough to keep my Lipids healthy or do i need something else? Ive read Anavar - oxandrolone - can be pretty shitty on lipids.


Thanks.
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Toco-8 probably wont prevent all cholesterol damage from Anavar but it certainly wouldn’t be a bad idea. The toco-8 could definitely help prevent the formation of plaque on the arteries by preventing platelet aggregation .

We do have all products available, but we are lagging on the content because of some recent problems with our web developers...

-Pp
 
Lol,


Thanks Pp, your Phyto Test really interests me because by the sounds of it, it almost sounds like it has dihydrotestosterone like effects, freeing up more bound Test, not raising total Test or Estrogen, and having estrogen antagonizing effects. Correct? This should also have anti-cortisol effects like anabolic androgenic steroids does right?



Im running 5mg or AG liquid Finesteride and 2.5mg liquid Letrozole, and want to do a 6-8 week Anavar cycle, because i heard it doesnt cause hairloss even in people who arent prone and it reduces bodyfat better than Test aslong as your in a calorie deficit.


So i want to watch my lipids since in using Letro aswell.


Thanks.
 
I wouldnt really say Phyto is an anti-estrogen... but it certainly shouldnt contribute to any estrogenic effects. It does have some strong anti-cortisol effects though.

-Pp

SuperOne said:
Lol,


Thanks Pp, your Phyto Test really interests me because by the sounds of it, it almost sounds like it has dihydrotestosterone like effects, freeing up more bound Test, not raising total Test or Estrogen, and having estrogen antagonizing effects. Correct? This should also have anti-cortisol effects like anabolic androgenic steroids does right?



Im running 5mg or AG liquid Finesteride and 2.5mg liquid Letrozole, and want to do a 6-8 week Anavar cycle, because i heard it doesnt cause hairloss even in people who arent prone and it reduces bodyfat better than Test aslong as your in a calorie deficit.


So i want to watch my lipids since in using Femera - letrozole - aswell.


Thanks.
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I just ordered Phyto and dermacrine. I'm going to run it all with amplify02 and lipoflame for a spring fling so to speak.

Any word on the best way to combine those 4 elements together for the maximum synergy? I am guessing the amplify02 would be best with the test enhancers since it has creatine / no2.

I can't wait to try this out, you guys make incredible products at PP thats for sure.

I have no issues giving my money to educated focused businessmen such as yourself :D
 
digitizedsoul said:
I just ordered Phyto and dermacrine. I'm going to run it all with amplify02 and lipoflame for a spring fling so to speak.

Any word on the best way to combine those 4 elements together for the maximum synergy? I am guessing the amplify02 would be best with the test enhancers since it has creatine / no2.

I can't wait to try this out, you guys make incredible products at PP thats for sure.

I have no issues giving my money to educated focused businessmen such as yourself :D
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Great to hear.

I think your going to like the results from that combo. Just stick with the Dermacrine at 5 pumps every morning and the Phyto-Test at 2 servings per day. (12 hrs. apart)

I think Omega's products are more pre-workout sups right?

-Pp
 
Hey thanks for the dose reccomendations, nice addition to the plan thats for sure.

Yeah I agree with you on Omega's stuff, It will definitely keep the energy levels up (lipoflame) and help me to drop a little of this fat I gained during the last 4 months of dirty nasty bulking. I have another two months of now "clean bulking" before I start cutting around march / april.

I think these will all work nicely to get some nice solid gains before cutting season. No one ever complained about an NO2 pump while feeling awesome from increased free test... at least no one i've ever spoken with :D
 
digitizedsoul said:
Hey thanks for the dose reccomendations, nice addition to the plan thats for sure.

Yeah I agree with you on Omega's stuff, It will definitely keep the energy levels up (lipoflame) and help me to drop a little of this fat I gained during the last 4 months of dirty nasty bulking. I have another two months of now "clean bulking" before I start cutting around march / april.

I think these will all work nicely to get some nice solid gains before cutting season. No one ever complained about an NO2 pump while feeling awesome from increased free test... at least no one i've ever spoken with :D
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Eat clean and train hard :)
 
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